Not buying it...

KennyT wrote:

Maybe they have better reading comprehension. I was working and listening to Pulp so I may have it wrong but I thought I heard Christian Craig...

Maybe they have better reading comprehension. I was working and listening to Pulp so I may have it wrong but I thought I heard Christian Craig say he is constantly reading labels etc to make sure he is not ingesting anything on the WADA list of banned substances

Motofinne wrote:

I really, really hope this is a joke and i suck at detecting jokes online. Because Matthes just lost any kind of credibility reporting and talking...

I really, really hope this is a joke and i suck at detecting jokes online. Because Matthes just lost any kind of credibility reporting and talking about this matter if he seriously thinks this is a possibility. That the tiny, tiny sport of MX/SX could pull off something like this?

jorgechavez wrote:

I think you may be misunderstanding him.. or maybe I am? I think Steve is saying the MXGP guys are more on it as in they...

I think you may be misunderstanding him.. or maybe I am? I think Steve is saying the MXGP guys are more on it as in they are more aware of what they are putting in their bodies, I don't think he's insinuating some conspiracy or anything like that.

Motofinne wrote:

I really, really hope this is a joke and i suck at detecting jokes online. Because Matthes just lost any kind of credibility reporting and talking...

I really, really hope this is a joke and i suck at detecting jokes online. Because Matthes just lost any kind of credibility reporting and talking about this matter if he seriously thinks this is a possibility. That the tiny, tiny sport of MX/SX could pull off something like this?

kiwifan wrote:

I tend to agree, i admit to not knowing the MXGP testing procedures off the top of my head, but I am sure they do them...so...

I tend to agree, i admit to not knowing the MXGP testing procedures off the top of my head, but I am sure they do them...so to call them out is a bit rich, and you could argue points out shit stirring to defect to what is going on (if indeed there is something going on) here

kkawboy14 wrote:

If they can test anytime then a rider shouldn’t have it in his system at anytime correct, not just on race night? Not sure where the...

If they can test anytime then a rider shouldn’t have it in his system at anytime correct, not just on race night?

Not sure where the opinion deal is coming from. It’s not my opinion he cheated, according to them he cheated so he got banned!

FreshTopEnd wrote:

Apologies, Scott, the opinions things was a general reference to a wide range of responses and not directed to you. The CODE is easily available and...

Apologies, Scott, the opinions things was a general reference to a wide range of responses and not directed to you.

The CODE is easily available and not that hard to comprehend, and should be the first place someone goes to understand this if they think its worth having an opinion on.

The Code categorizes some substances that are banned at all times and subject to surprise out of competition testing (hence selected riders having to give notice of their location at all times), and there is a separate category that is banned only during competition. I believe steroids are an example of the first group, and I am pretty sure Stew's ADD med was only an in-competition ban (if you want a clearer but not performance related, cannabis and alcohol are banned in competition).

Squirrelings wrote:

Did anyone listen to the Main Event Moto podcast and find what hobo Nick had to say interesting? This stuff is not easy to come across...

Did anyone listen to the Main Event Moto podcast and find what hobo Nick had to say interesting? This stuff is not easy to come across and known to be a drug that is used to beat the system until it catches up. I hate to say it, but I don't think this is a coincidence. Tickle doesn't get his pre-workout at GNC. Not a slam on Tickle. Just my opinion.

Lightning78 wrote:

It is highly possible as well to that the substance he took could have been legal and then metabolized in his body into the illegal substance

kkawboy14 wrote:

Man that would take a mountain of cash to prove that happened!

Lightning78 wrote:

It is highly possible as well to that the substance he took could have been legal and then metabolized in his body into the illegal substance

kkawboy14 wrote:

Man that would take a mountain of cash to prove that happened!

Lightning78 wrote:

There are lots of things that your body will metabolize and convert into something else i dont know what some examples are off the top of...

There are lots of things that your body will metabolize and convert into something else i dont know what some examples are off the top of my head but i know it can happen and yes it WOULD be very difficult to prove that

Lightning78 wrote:

It is highly possible as well to that the substance he took could have been legal and then metabolized in his body into the illegal substance

kkawboy14 wrote:

Man that would take a mountain of cash to prove that happened!

Lightning78 wrote:

There are lots of things that your body will metabolize and convert into something else i dont know what some examples are off the top of...

There are lots of things that your body will metabolize and convert into something else i dont know what some examples are off the top of my head but i know it can happen and yes it WOULD be very difficult to prove that

kkawboy14 wrote:

Man that would take a mountain of cash to prove that happened!

Lightning78 wrote:

There are lots of things that your body will metabolize and convert into something else i dont know what some examples are off the top of...

There are lots of things that your body will metabolize and convert into something else i dont know what some examples are off the top of my head but i know it can happen and yes it WOULD be very difficult to prove that

Asimo wrote:

Not that hard to find out what substances convert.
Takes a good 15 seconds maybe.

jorgechavez wrote:

I think you may be misunderstanding him.. or maybe I am? I think Steve is saying the MXGP guys are more on it as in they...

I think you may be misunderstanding him.. or maybe I am? I think Steve is saying the MXGP guys are more on it as in they are more aware of what they are putting in their bodies, I don't think he's insinuating some conspiracy or anything like that.

Motofinne wrote:

I really, really hope this is a joke and i suck at detecting jokes online. Because Matthes just lost any kind of credibility reporting and talking...

I really, really hope this is a joke and i suck at detecting jokes online. Because Matthes just lost any kind of credibility reporting and talking about this matter if he seriously thinks this is a possibility. That the tiny, tiny sport of MX/SX could pull off something like this?

kiwifan wrote:

I tend to agree, i admit to not knowing the MXGP testing procedures off the top of my head, but I am sure they do them...so...

I tend to agree, i admit to not knowing the MXGP testing procedures off the top of my head, but I am sure they do them...so to call them out is a bit rich, and you could argue points out shit stirring to defect to what is going on (if indeed there is something going on) here

Bearuno wrote:

It takes but a few 'clicks' to find the Gert Van Dorn and Andrea Bartolini suspensions. And Matthes should know of these two - they were...

It takes but a few 'clicks' to find the Gert Van Dorn and Andrea Bartolini suspensions. And Matthes should know of these two - they were brought up continually through the JS saga. Selective memory I think from Matthes, catering to his US homes allegiance.

I guess you could concentrate on his "in this time" as a qualification, but many will take it as him insinuating that the US is being 'picked on'. I'd like to take his comment about the GP riders being more "on it" as being more of a complement to their professionalism and rule following.

There's probably a some 'pings' in Euro / Brit / Oz / other places (we've fairly recently had the Moss scandal) MX, but usually, at lower levels of the rider tree. Thus, not getting as much squealing and hype about them.

For an, at times, fairly knowledgeable bloke, Matthes very regularly shows his ignorance of the sport on the wider scale.

GPs, I think, have had drug testing for a (fair) bit longer than the US SX and Outdoors. They - Riders / Teams - might just take things much more seriously. Though, some - generally the anti GP types - might just say they could be better at the 'game'.

kkawboy14 wrote:

So u can prove that vitamin b turns into that substance? Since that substance is synthetic, there is no way a non synthetic ingested is going...

So u can prove that vitamin b turns into that substance? Since that substance is synthetic, there is no way a non synthetic ingested is going to turn into that synthetic that is banned!

kkawboy14 wrote:

So u can prove that vitamin b turns into that substance? Since that substance is synthetic, there is no way a non synthetic ingested is going...

So u can prove that vitamin b turns into that substance? Since that substance is synthetic, there is no way a non synthetic ingested is going to turn into that synthetic that is banned!

Asimo wrote:

I dont think you understand much about compounds turning into other things.

kkawboy14 wrote:

So u can prove that vitamin b turns into that substance? Since that substance is synthetic, there is no way a non synthetic ingested is going...

So u can prove that vitamin b turns into that substance? Since that substance is synthetic, there is no way a non synthetic ingested is going to turn into that synthetic that is banned!

Asimo wrote:

I dont think you understand much about compounds turning into other things.

kkawboy14 wrote:

I invented and patented a weed killer, I understand a little.

What did I misstate?

jsmi33966 wrote:

You guys are looking way too deep into this. He took a pre workout! Would that substance effect his lap times? Hell no. WADA needs to...

You guys are looking way too deep into this. He took a pre workout!

Would that substance effect his lap times? Hell no.

WADA needs to be out of supercross. This is a witch hunt.

kkawboy14 wrote:

I invented and patented a weed killer, I understand a little.

What did I misstate?

SPYGUY wrote:

If you haven't listened to the special DMXS interview with Roger Decoster that dropped last night, I highly recommend giving it a listen.

https://www.dmxsradio.com/42-roger-decoster/

tprice07 wrote:

I need to preface this with, I don't believe Baker or his athletes are cheating...but someone is responsible for the failed test. Listening to the Steve...

I need to preface this with, I don't believe Baker or his athletes are cheating...but someone is responsible for the failed test.

Listening to the Steve Matthes podcast on Brock Tickle...

Aldon mentions he did a google search of the substance and found "it doesn't stay in your system long" and "it wouldn't have been detectable for that long.."

Why was this something he added to the conversation?

Weigant and Matthes both go onto say, "I didnt' find that". This recently highlighted proverb comes comes to mind... 'Only the guilty flee where no man pursues.'

Jason Anderson also told Weigant that he has not been tested at a race all year. He was only tested once while at a restaurant randomly as a part of his year long watch (Skip to 3:20). That would have been outside of the half-life window of the substance (8.5 hours).

Anderson also mentioned "yea he takes this supplement stuff he gets at GNC but we are all looking for something" which does not align with what Aldon made it sound like. Again, not stating they are cheating, but they are looking for an edge.

I'm not one of those conspiracy nuts that thinks Aldon is pumping his athletes full of HGH or doping, but I do believe he maximizes their potential within the confines of the rule book. My main point here again is that someone is responsible for this failed test.

Speculating a bit, Brock doesn't appear to be someone who would go and do something that he wasn't instructed to do. Especially when he is under guidance from the most successful trainers in SX/MX history.

I really hope Brock retains his own attorneys (I assume he has already) and doesn't rely on the KTM legal team to fight for him. They are looking out for the best interest of the team and their trainer. Don't Baker has an exclusive contract with KTM for his training services (link here). I'm not sure if the RedBull KTM riders are required to work with Aldon Baker or not, but that may come into play.

Brock is on the hook for an entire year's salary for an incident like this. (Skip to 11:40).

Here are our options for what happened and what will result..

1. Brock knowingly or unknowingly took a supplement on his own that contained this substance.
Result: Brock is on the hook for 1 year's salary, meanwhile he will likely be unable to compete for 18 months. Meaning he will not have a salary. Dismissal from the team. Very unlikely to get another contract in the future.

2. Brock was instructed to take a substance by Aldon that he (Aldon) either knowingly or unknowingly contained that substance.
Result: Brock will file a lawsuit against Aldon Baker and/or RedBull KTM to cover damages to his career.

3. Aldon and/or Brock knowingly ingested the supplement that contained the banned substance knowing exactly its half-life but...took it a bit too late and it remained in his system too long. Or for whatever reason it remained in his system for longer than they anticipated.
Result: Major whoopsy...

4. WADA screwed up and there was in fact no substance in his body and the B test will reveal a false positive.
Result: In which case Brock will be forced to put his head down and forever be called a cheater by idiot fans.

I apologize for the book, I just don't see this going well in any scenario. Most likely scenario is we will never know what really happened...Brock will not be forced to pay out a years salary. He will not be dismissed from the team, but will not be re-signed by KTM. He will still be suspended for 18 months...from Feb 10th, 2018. Meaning if he can get something to ride he won't be back until 2020.

Now just imagine if Anderson and Marvin both were popped for this....

Asimo wrote:

I dont think you understand much about compounds turning into other things.

kkawboy14 wrote:

I invented and patented a weed killer, I understand a little.

What did I misstate?

Asimo wrote:

I've never once mentioned any of the various forms of B vitamins, nor them converting into anything. I'm talking about other things taken, and converting to...

I've never once mentioned any of the various forms of B vitamins, nor them converting into anything.

I'm talking about other things taken, and converting to other compounds in the body.

kkawboy14 wrote:

I invented and patented a weed killer, I understand a little.

What did I misstate?

Stuntman949 wrote:

Weed killer or killer weed?

SPYGUY wrote:

If you haven't listened to the special DMXS interview with Roger Decoster that dropped last night, I highly recommend giving it a listen.

https://www.dmxsradio.com/42-roger-decoster/

tprice07 wrote:

Wow, no secrets with Roger haha. He pretty much lays it all out there. He made sure to clarify the separation of KTM and Broc...KTM didn’t...

Wow, no secrets with Roger haha. He pretty much lays it all out there. He made sure to clarify the separation of KTM and Broc...KTM didn’t file for appeal...Broc did.

Sounds like Broc will be dismissed from the team very soon.

Robgvx wrote:

I don’t get the ‘it’s only’ argument. If bananas were banned, whether that’s fair or not, don’t eat bananas. And don’t complain if you do and...

I don’t get the ‘it’s only’ argument. If bananas were banned, whether that’s fair or not, don’t eat bananas.

And don’t complain if you do and then get caught.