Reed never crossed the finish line again

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zookrider62! 4/8/2018 11:30am
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Im a reed fan but i am also puzzled as to when the rules changed. Why did alessi have to push his bike to the flag and not the transponder? Does anyone on here know when the change was made?
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None of it matters, he would have gotten 7th anyway. Last rider on the lead lap.
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slipdog wrote:
Just for shits and giggles. He was also the last guy on the lead lap so even if his bike died in the corner before he...
Just for shits and giggles. He was also the last guy on the lead lap so even if his bike died in the corner before he still would have finished 7th overall.
This is how he got 7th. Those guys in the booth didn't realize Reed was the last guy on the same lap as ET3.
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Yeah for all the guys calling the post originator stupid, might as well call Reed stupid. The look on his face was one of someone that DNF'd, pretty sure he wasn't trying to smoke the bike for the fun of it, he was trying to get up the finish line jump. He thought he had to go over it to get the checkers.

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Tits Legendary wrote:
So I have not actually looked but are the loops clearly defined as to where they are so the racers can see them?
You can see the chalk markings on the face of the jump on this video. Not sure if they're still doing this though. In the few 2018 GoPro videos I just watched, there was no chalk.


https://youtu.be/Yf1HWZT7CzQ
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KennyT wrote:
Reeds name appeared in 7th as soon as his tranponder crossed the line. You think there was a official overriding the transponder because of who it...
Reeds name appeared in 7th as soon as his tranponder crossed the line. You think there was a official overriding the transponder because of who it was? I don’t think so.

I’m sure the official line is before the jump so you don’t get suicidal launches over the top of the finish line jump from riders battling for positions
When the scoring loop is buried at the top of the jump, it gets triggered just a split second before the riders actually hit the peak of the jump. I believe they were unable to prevent this from happening and so after the Peick / Kiniry incident (and I believe there was another similar incident after that) they decided to just "move" the official finish line to the face of the jump.
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Page 37 of the AMA rulebook

4.26 Race Finishes

b. The officially designated finish line is located at the site
of the scoring/timing transponder receiver loop. The line will be
clearly defined with trackside markings and will be located as
close to the finish-line flagger as possible

Reed crossed the transponder line, that's all that matters, I don't have the rule book from the year the Peick and Kiniry thing happened so maybe it was different back then.
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chad_111 4/8/2018 2:35pm
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Found the 2012 rulebook, and it has been updated since, this is what it reads.

4.22 Race Finishes

b. To be considered as having completed a lap, the rider and his
motorcycle must cross the plane of the checkered flag.

So there you have it, in 2012 the official finish line was the checkered flag, it is now the transponder loop. Debate over.

EDIT

The 2013 rulebook (year of the Kiniry and Peick incident) states that the official finish line is defined as the uppermost leading edge of the finish line obstacle.
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Reed said the officials let him know that he had officially passed the finish line. He said thankfully it was at the base of the jump this time. It isn't always.
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slipdog wrote:
Just for shits and giggles. He was also the last guy on the lead lap so even if his bike died in the corner before he...
Just for shits and giggles. He was also the last guy on the lead lap so even if his bike died in the corner before he still would have finished 7th overall.
Slippy you know better than anyone facts like this will ruin the reputation of Vital Mx...
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Hey nobody949...

Do everyone a favour here. Delete your account. Try a roller blading forum.
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life_of_jaze 4/8/2018 3:58pm
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nobody949 wrote:
Seems that two of the most famous races that i have seen of rider not making it to finish line was Reed and Ryno. And they...
Seems that two of the most famous races that i have seen of rider not making it to finish line was Reed and Ryno. And they got close but never made it over the line. Ryno made it to the hill just like reed and could not push it up the hill with out a chain. So in last nights super mud cross it happened again. Reeds bike lost the clutch and reed never made it up the hill and past finish line. Emig tried to save it say line was below the finish line jump. Never in any race has the timing been below the finish line jump or banner.
So i ask why did they give him 7th? Any one who saw the race , saw reeds face as he knew it happened again.. I guess you change the rules when need be.
You do not actually l know much about Supercross do you?
jorgechavez 4/8/2018 4:02pm
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chad_111 wrote:
Found the 2012 rulebook, and it has been updated since, this is what it reads. [b]4.22 Race Finishes b. To be considered as having completed a...
Found the 2012 rulebook, and it has been updated since, this is what it reads.

4.22 Race Finishes

b. To be considered as having completed a lap, the rider and his
motorcycle must cross the plane of the checkered flag.

So there you have it, in 2012 the official finish line was the checkered flag, it is now the transponder loop. Debate over.

EDIT

The 2013 rulebook (year of the Kiniry and Peick incident) states that the official finish line is defined as the uppermost leading edge of the finish line obstacle.
Thanks. This should clear up any idiots saying he shouldn't have got 7th.
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chad_111 wrote:
Found the 2012 rulebook, and it has been updated since, this is what it reads. [b]4.22 Race Finishes b. To be considered as having completed a...
Found the 2012 rulebook, and it has been updated since, this is what it reads.

4.22 Race Finishes

b. To be considered as having completed a lap, the rider and his
motorcycle must cross the plane of the checkered flag.

So there you have it, in 2012 the official finish line was the checkered flag, it is now the transponder loop. Debate over.

EDIT

The 2013 rulebook (year of the Kiniry and Peick incident) states that the official finish line is defined as the uppermost leading edge of the finish line obstacle.
jorgechavez wrote:
Thanks. This should clear up any idiots saying he shouldn't have got 7th.
Yep, obviously the rules have changed over the last few years.
shiftmx_22 4/8/2018 4:39pm
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chad_111 wrote:
Found the 2012 rulebook, and it has been updated since, this is what it reads. [b]4.22 Race Finishes b. To be considered as having completed a...
Found the 2012 rulebook, and it has been updated since, this is what it reads.

4.22 Race Finishes

b. To be considered as having completed a lap, the rider and his
motorcycle must cross the plane of the checkered flag.

So there you have it, in 2012 the official finish line was the checkered flag, it is now the transponder loop. Debate over.

EDIT

The 2013 rulebook (year of the Kiniry and Peick incident) states that the official finish line is defined as the uppermost leading edge of the finish line obstacle.
jorgechavez wrote:
Thanks. This should clear up any idiots saying he shouldn't have got 7th.
Are you serious? Idiots that thought he shouldn't have gotten 7th?

I didn't necessarily think that he should have lost his position, but I did say to everyone in the room "huh, that's weird. I thought he had to cross the actual finish line, not just the transponder line".

By they way, thanks for looking it up Chad.
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chad_111 wrote:
Found the 2012 rulebook, and it has been updated since, this is what it reads. [b]4.22 Race Finishes b. To be considered as having completed a...
Found the 2012 rulebook, and it has been updated since, this is what it reads.

4.22 Race Finishes

b. To be considered as having completed a lap, the rider and his
motorcycle must cross the plane of the checkered flag.

So there you have it, in 2012 the official finish line was the checkered flag, it is now the transponder loop. Debate over.

EDIT

The 2013 rulebook (year of the Kiniry and Peick incident) states that the official finish line is defined as the uppermost leading edge of the finish line obstacle.
jorgechavez wrote:
Thanks. This should clear up any idiots saying he shouldn't have got 7th.
shiftmx_22 wrote:
Are you serious? Idiots that thought he shouldn't have gotten 7th? I didn't necessarily think that he should have lost his position, but I did say...
Are you serious? Idiots that thought he shouldn't have gotten 7th?

I didn't necessarily think that he should have lost his position, but I did say to everyone in the room "huh, that's weird. I thought he had to cross the actual finish line, not just the transponder line".

By they way, thanks for looking it up Chad.
Yep the same idiots that bitched about JMarts penalty....need to read the rules...as they do change....
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yak651 wrote:
Yeah for all the guys calling the post originator stupid, might as well call Reed stupid. The look on his face was one of someone that...
Yeah for all the guys calling the post originator stupid, might as well call Reed stupid. The look on his face was one of someone that DNF'd, pretty sure he wasn't trying to smoke the bike for the fun of it, he was trying to get up the finish line jump. He thought he had to go over it to get the checkers.
So you think chad reed does not know the rules or the finish line but you do?????
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I don’t think he technically finished. 8th place was a lap down so it didn’t matter. If he did technically finish there, that’s a huge flaw in the rules. Transponder being there is fine, but if that was technically a finish then that is terrible.

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yak651 wrote:
Yeah for all the guys calling the post originator stupid, might as well call Reed stupid. The look on his face was one of someone that...
Yeah for all the guys calling the post originator stupid, might as well call Reed stupid. The look on his face was one of someone that DNF'd, pretty sure he wasn't trying to smoke the bike for the fun of it, he was trying to get up the finish line jump. He thought he had to go over it to get the checkers.
resetjet wrote:
So you think chad reed does not know the rules or the finish line but you do?????
To be fair, lots of athletes in lots of sports don’t know the rules. Especially ones like that that rarely occur.
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yak651 wrote:
Yeah for all the guys calling the post originator stupid, might as well call Reed stupid. The look on his face was one of someone that...
Yeah for all the guys calling the post originator stupid, might as well call Reed stupid. The look on his face was one of someone that DNF'd, pretty sure he wasn't trying to smoke the bike for the fun of it, he was trying to get up the finish line jump. He thought he had to go over it to get the checkers.
resetjet wrote:
So you think chad reed does not know the rules or the finish line but you do?????
He said on Pulp he thought he had to crest the hill too... I figured after Peick/Kiniry they had clarified to the transponder because we've seen a few other incidents be the transponder since.
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TDeath21 wrote:
I don’t think he technically finished. 8th place was a lap down so it didn’t matter. If he did technically finish there, that’s a huge flaw...
I don’t think he technically finished. 8th place was a lap down so it didn’t matter. If he did technically finish there, that’s a huge flaw in the rules. Transponder being there is fine, but if that was technically a finish then that is terrible.
This was discussed ad nauseam back in 2008. He did cross the finish line, when he completed the lap prior.
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nobody949 wrote:
Seems that two of the most famous races that i have seen of rider not making it to finish line was Reed and Ryno. And they...
Seems that two of the most famous races that i have seen of rider not making it to finish line was Reed and Ryno. And they got close but never made it over the line. Ryno made it to the hill just like reed and could not push it up the hill with out a chain. So in last nights super mud cross it happened again. Reeds bike lost the clutch and reed never made it up the hill and past finish line. Emig tried to save it say line was below the finish line jump. Never in any race has the timing been below the finish line jump or banner.
So i ask why did they give him 7th? Any one who saw the race , saw reeds face as he knew it happened again.. I guess you change the rules when need be.
I now know that the rule change to transponder, as of 2012. And yes first time i posted my view. But enjoyed getting other racers thoughts. I was just thinking that he did not complete the lap as in finish line. but only wanted to get a perspective on it. And yes i did know that the transponder has been on base, And i was more surprised to see such a thing happen again to reed. I also was not aware he was last one left on lead lap.
ToolMaker 4/8/2018 9:23pm
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If you're at the end and you think the finish is at the base, you're probably going to work your ass of to pass the checkers "just in case"
Why chance it?
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Yellow Acerbis markers on the left and right of the finish line show where the finish line/timing loop is.
motonation24 4/8/2018 10:26pm
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I can’t believe how stupid some of you are... if you can not comprehend the transponder loop or the FACT that he was the last rider on the lead lap = get lost and find another sport!
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motonation24 wrote:
I can’t believe how stupid some of you are... if you can not comprehend the transponder loop or the FACT that he was the last rider...
I can’t believe how stupid some of you are... if you can not comprehend the transponder loop or the FACT that he was the last rider on the lead lap = get lost and find another sport!
We get it. Your man crush had a season best finish and you have had a throbbing erection since.

As Reed himself stated, he also didn't know where the finish line was. He must be as dumb as all of us Vitards.
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But...but...but...

There's a lot of "Buts" up in here.
I think you meant "There's a lot of asses in here."
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crusher773 4/9/2018 9:54am
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I think he was the last one not a lap down so no matter what that was the worst he could have got.
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motonation24 wrote:
I can’t believe how stupid some of you are... if you can not comprehend the transponder loop or the FACT that he was the last rider...
I can’t believe how stupid some of you are... if you can not comprehend the transponder loop or the FACT that he was the last rider on the lead lap = get lost and find another sport!
He was scored as last rider on the lead lap, not first rider off the lead lap. So crossing the transponder loop is what was used.

https://archives.amasupercross.com/xml/SX/events/S1865/S1F1RES.pdf
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BroFoSho 4/9/2018 11:32am
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While I did thoroughly enjoy seeing Reed getting bumped out of the Top 5Cool .... he should be credited with 7th for the reason(s) mentioned above.

last rider on lead lap and also technically crossed the finish line as well.

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