Washougal MX being sued---

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7/11/2017 9:53am
CalRMX wrote:
I wonder how the plaintiff is going to get around the fact that 1) without a dought he was made to sign a waiver or release...
I wonder how the plaintiff is going to get around the fact that

1) without a dought he was made to sign a waiver or release of liability
2) as a volunteer he knew the risks of being trackside.

I'm sure this will not get far
Waivers can be iffy, because you can't ask somebody to sign away legal rights.
The plaintiff lawyer is just throwing up anything that might stick. I doubt you could sue a racer for crashing during an organized motorsports event.
Maybe trying to force a settlement.
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7/11/2017 9:55am
He's worked in that corner for 20+ years and is "core" to the bone, but yet wasn't educated on the risks involved being a track worker and failed to recognize any safety issues present at the track or that a rider could and will lose control of their bikes frequently.

I feel bad for his injuries, but this is straight up bullshit!
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7/11/2017 10:05am
Can anyone answer ????

If the insurance company of Barnes is the driving force behind the claims filed, don't they still need consent from Barnes to proceed in order to make claims on his behalf to seek compensation from the financial damages?

If Barnes said "hell no you aren't suing Washougal MX" can the insurance company still bring a case to the table?

I know the guy is Core and has been around for decades, but people make decisions that a very, very hard when debts start to arise, so much to the point they might be financially crippling. The guy went through some devastating injuries, lengthy hospital stays, and probably couldn't work for a long time. Even if he was trying to recover some costs to get himself out from underneath from the mountain of medical debt, I feel he has a right to do so.

Just because he was a volunteer does not negate Washougal from their obligations to keep people safe and injury free. That includes racers, crew members, fans, volunteers, etc. This might be treated like many other workplace injuries.

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7/11/2017 10:15am
"Failed to...enforce proper federal and state industrial safety standards"

I would like to know what federal and state industrial safety standards, exactly, exist that apply to motocross tracks?

What a joke. Don't flaggers have to sign waivers anyway?
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7/11/2017 10:20am
Oh and it goes on to state that McNeil is liable for not maintaining his bike in good working order, while also saying Washougal is at fault for an unsafe track design. So which is it, did the bike fail, which caused the accident, or was it the track's fault?

I feel bad for the guy who was injured, but if any judge even allows this suit to proceed, a defense attorney would have a field day with this.
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7/11/2017 10:27am
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The part naming McNeil is completely ridiculous. No one in history has ever [url=https://www.google.com/search?q=race+crash+into+stands&oq=race+crash+into+stands&aqs=chrome..69i57.11176j0j4&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8]lost control during a race[/url]... [i]The suit states that McNeil is liable for...
The part naming McNeil is completely ridiculous. No one in history has ever lost control during a race...

The suit states that McNeil is liable for failing to exercise ordinary care while operating his bike, carelessly and negligently driving, failing to keep his bike on the track, failing to keep a proper lookout while operating his bike and failing to maintain his bike in good working order

Just show the jury Musquin's 2nd moto crash from last week
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7/11/2017 10:41am Edited Date/Time 7/11/2017 10:41am
Attorney here who works in the personal injury field.

First, ML may very well be right and this can be driven by a subrogation claim by the health insurer for the costs they've paid out.

99.9% of people who make a claim/sue don't get "rich". If you do get "rich", you or a loved one are probably dead, paralyzed or seriously and permanently injured. If you believe otherwise, then you've been duped by the insurance lobby because me and all my friends would be retired in our 30's

I personally think the case is a loser and wouldn't take it. The guy is a former pro card holder, longtime flagger and will be held to a very high standard of knowing and assuming the risks.

Looks like the attorney threw everything at the wall to see what sticks. Many of those claims will be dismissed by the court pretty quickly. My money is on the insurance lawyers.
7/11/2017 10:49am
Aside from how ridiculous the whole thing is, the part that stands out to me is that the suit says he wasn't aware of the danger. I'm pretty sure the job description of a flagger is to warn people about the danger of a crashed rider. Hopefully common sense prevails.
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7/11/2017 10:52am
phatfi20 wrote:
Attorney here who works in the personal injury field. First, ML may very well be right and this can be driven by a subrogation claim by...
Attorney here who works in the personal injury field.

First, ML may very well be right and this can be driven by a subrogation claim by the health insurer for the costs they've paid out.

99.9% of people who make a claim/sue don't get "rich". If you do get "rich", you or a loved one are probably dead, paralyzed or seriously and permanently injured. If you believe otherwise, then you've been duped by the insurance lobby because me and all my friends would be retired in our 30's

I personally think the case is a loser and wouldn't take it. The guy is a former pro card holder, longtime flagger and will be held to a very high standard of knowing and assuming the risks.

Looks like the attorney threw everything at the wall to see what sticks. Many of those claims will be dismissed by the court pretty quickly. My money is on the insurance lawyers.
In Orlando there is no shortage of billboards and tv ads for ambulance chasers pimping their 'injured' clients bragging about their big $$$ settlement and i have yet to see any of the clients in a wheelchair, burn victim, missing a limb, eye, ear, etc. They must have 'chronic' back and neck pain and are gacked up on oxys.
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7/11/2017 10:55am
phatfi20 wrote:
Attorney here who works in the personal injury field. First, ML may very well be right and this can be driven by a subrogation claim by...
Attorney here who works in the personal injury field.

First, ML may very well be right and this can be driven by a subrogation claim by the health insurer for the costs they've paid out.

99.9% of people who make a claim/sue don't get "rich". If you do get "rich", you or a loved one are probably dead, paralyzed or seriously and permanently injured. If you believe otherwise, then you've been duped by the insurance lobby because me and all my friends would be retired in our 30's

I personally think the case is a loser and wouldn't take it. The guy is a former pro card holder, longtime flagger and will be held to a very high standard of knowing and assuming the risks.

Looks like the attorney threw everything at the wall to see what sticks. Many of those claims will be dismissed by the court pretty quickly. My money is on the insurance lawyers.
There is a serious lack of info here...especially for the amount of vitards that already have their pitchfork out.

I don't have a dog in the fight, but...

The article doesn't say what amount he is even suing for....It IS possible that none of the organizations that he is suing is covering his medical bills. If he was working an event and incurred upwards of 500k in medical bills because of a work related accident...it should be expected that the organization he is working for should pay for it.

And for the reasons stated in the article...it's OBVIOUS that his lawyer wrote all that about unsafe conditions, ect. Same reason they have so many people/organizations listed as defendants. Plaintiff is going for the greatest possibility of a positive outcome.
7/11/2017 11:08am Edited Date/Time 7/11/2017 2:16pm
APLMAN99 wrote:
Insurance companies can't force anyone to file a suit against someone else. They can file suit on your behalf using their right of subrogation that virtually...
Insurance companies can't force anyone to file a suit against someone else. They can file suit on your behalf using their right of subrogation that virtually every type of policy would include.
Semantics.
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7/11/2017 11:09am
phatfi20 wrote:
Attorney here who works in the personal injury field. First, ML may very well be right and this can be driven by a subrogation claim by...
Attorney here who works in the personal injury field.

First, ML may very well be right and this can be driven by a subrogation claim by the health insurer for the costs they've paid out.

99.9% of people who make a claim/sue don't get "rich". If you do get "rich", you or a loved one are probably dead, paralyzed or seriously and permanently injured. If you believe otherwise, then you've been duped by the insurance lobby because me and all my friends would be retired in our 30's

I personally think the case is a loser and wouldn't take it. The guy is a former pro card holder, longtime flagger and will be held to a very high standard of knowing and assuming the risks.

Looks like the attorney threw everything at the wall to see what sticks. Many of those claims will be dismissed by the court pretty quickly. My money is on the insurance lawyers.
SweetDaddy wrote:
In Orlando there is no shortage of billboards and tv ads for ambulance chasers pimping their 'injured' clients bragging about their big $$$ settlement and i...
In Orlando there is no shortage of billboards and tv ads for ambulance chasers pimping their 'injured' clients bragging about their big $$$ settlement and i have yet to see any of the clients in a wheelchair, burn victim, missing a limb, eye, ear, etc. They must have 'chronic' back and neck pain and are gacked up on oxys.
You don't sound like you like me but unless you know the facts of the case you really dont know. Sounds like you saw a billboard or 30 sec tv ad. A lot of advertising is just puffery to bring in business. Do you know how much the client got? Most people dont know you have to pay back your health insurance company what they paid if you get a settlement.
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7/11/2017 11:16am Edited Date/Time 7/11/2017 11:17am
Charper732 wrote:
There is a serious lack of info here...especially for the amount of vitards that already have their pitchfork out. I don't have a dog in the...
There is a serious lack of info here...especially for the amount of vitards that already have their pitchfork out.

I don't have a dog in the fight, but...

The article doesn't say what amount he is even suing for....It IS possible that none of the organizations that he is suing is covering his medical bills. If he was working an event and incurred upwards of 500k in medical bills because of a work related accident...it should be expected that the organization he is working for should pay for it.

And for the reasons stated in the article...it's OBVIOUS that his lawyer wrote all that about unsafe conditions, ect. Same reason they have so many people/organizations listed as defendants. Plaintiff is going for the greatest possibility of a positive outcome.
The lawyer sues every possible liable party knowing most are not responsible and will be let out quickly. A lot of times you don't know who the actual sole responsible party is until you get deeper into discovery. Private contracts (which you are unaware of) can shift certain responsibilities. If you do leave someone out that should be in there you've committed malpractice.

Let me make clear that I do NOT support this guy's case and scoff at it like many of you. Suing a dirtbike track makes NO SENSE. Unless you are parking equipment next to the track or have stakes/spears ready to impale riders, there is something called assumption of the risk in my state.
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7/11/2017 11:23am
Just going to leave this here.

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7/11/2017 11:32am
APLMAN99 wrote:
Insurance companies can't force anyone to file a suit against someone else. They can file suit on your behalf using their right of subrogation that virtually...
Insurance companies can't force anyone to file a suit against someone else. They can file suit on your behalf using their right of subrogation that virtually every type of policy would include.
Who is named as plaintiff in these cases? What happens if the injured refuses to give any assistance to the insurance company in the suit. It seems like to be successful they would need some type of leverage or legal enforcement so the injured would be forced to cooperate?..........
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7/11/2017 11:39am
From the old thread

Jarryd McNeil from "250 Words":

Jarryd McNeil, The Factory Metal Works/Vurbmoto, 29-23 for twenty-fifth in 250

This was my first ever National. I was going to race a Racer X bike in 2010, but before I did I wadded and lacerated my liver. Now, four years later here I am, and I haven’t raced a National since 2008 in Australia. Just thought I’d give it a go, and I teamed up with Vurbmoto and Factory Metal Works to try to race a National. Practice was gnarly! I was running tenth in the first practice in qualifying times in the B group. I’ve never been a track that gnarly before ever. I’ve never seen that many ruts in my life! I had no expectations but to try my best and I qualified without even having to go to the consolation race.

Lucky I made it in, because in my last practice I came down off one the step-downs down the hill and got cross-rutted and went off the track and t-boned a track worker who was probably 6’-something and 300 pounds nearly. Unfortunately, I think I broke his arm, and he ended up getting airlifted out of here this morning, just from me hitting him. I walked away fine. I busted my helmet up, but I had a spare one, but I crushed my radiator. Between my girlfriend and my mechanic, we were running around to all the teams trying to find a radiator, but the factory teams have aftermarket-modified radiators. We ended up going to the amateur pits and I paid 150 dollars to borrow a radiator for the day. It got me through and I made it, nearly even scored some points. But I made the National, which was my goal. I haven’t raced in four or five years, and I’m loving it. Pretty good for a freestyler I guess!



another tid bit

Brian and Bruce Barnes are the sons of Clark County Commissioner Ed Barnes. Washougal Mayor Sean Guard got the Camas Police Department to notify Ed Barnes, who was attending the Camas Days festival at the time of the incident. The family has been involved in motocross since the 1970s. Bruce Barnes was a professional rider until he broke his neck a couple of years ago, his brother said.

"He volunteers and helps a lot of different tracks around the northwest," he said.

The Washougal MX event, which brought thousands of people to the stands, is one of 12 events in a national series. Although motor sports have an inherent risk, Brian Barnes said, he could recall only two serious injuries that occurred at the Washougal track during the decade he's worked there. There is a buffer zone and fence around the entire track.

"It was no fault of anybody's that this happened," he said. The Australian rider who lost control of his vehicle changed his flight schedule so he could visit Bruce Barnes in the hospital on Sunday.
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Is there anything that ML doesn't know? Where does he get all this and be able to remember it all.

From insurance law to the non works clamps BB prefers over works.

Every time I hear a podcast or see a comment by the guy he is always offering up something new and unique.
7/11/2017 11:54am
phatfi20 wrote:
Is there anything that ML doesn't know? Where does he get all this and be able to remember it all. From insurance law to the non...
Is there anything that ML doesn't know? Where does he get all this and be able to remember it all.

From insurance law to the non works clamps BB prefers over works.

Every time I hear a podcast or see a comment by the guy he is always offering up something new and unique.
One of the few guys that passes on accurate information on a regular basis without all the other nonsense.
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7/11/2017 12:00pm
Similar situation happened around here years ago. Flagger got ran over at the quad national. Long story short the flagger sued and didn't get everything they asked for but got a pretty good chunk of change. After it was all said and done the owner said the hell with it he wasn't dealing with the hassle anymore and shut it down.
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7/11/2017 12:27pm
Charper732 wrote:
There is a serious lack of info here...especially for the amount of vitards that already have their pitchfork out. I don't have a dog in the...
There is a serious lack of info here...especially for the amount of vitards that already have their pitchfork out.

I don't have a dog in the fight, but...

The article doesn't say what amount he is even suing for....It IS possible that none of the organizations that he is suing is covering his medical bills. If he was working an event and incurred upwards of 500k in medical bills because of a work related accident...it should be expected that the organization he is working for should pay for it.

And for the reasons stated in the article...it's OBVIOUS that his lawyer wrote all that about unsafe conditions, ect. Same reason they have so many people/organizations listed as defendants. Plaintiff is going for the greatest possibility of a positive outcome.
phatfi20 wrote:
The lawyer sues every possible liable party knowing most are not responsible and will be let out quickly. A lot of times you don't know who...
The lawyer sues every possible liable party knowing most are not responsible and will be let out quickly. A lot of times you don't know who the actual sole responsible party is until you get deeper into discovery. Private contracts (which you are unaware of) can shift certain responsibilities. If you do leave someone out that should be in there you've committed malpractice.

Let me make clear that I do NOT support this guy's case and scoff at it like many of you. Suing a dirtbike track makes NO SENSE. Unless you are parking equipment next to the track or have stakes/spears ready to impale riders, there is something called assumption of the risk in my state.
Oh you mean like Doc Bodner's Mule that MM almost destroyed himself on this weekend at the Wick?

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Oh you mean like Doc Bodner's Mule that MM almost destroyed himself on this weekend at the Wick?

Yep. DC said they aren't having him park it in that spot next year. Good call.
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7/11/2017 12:56pm
endurox wrote:
If everyone entering a given mx park was part owner, would this take care of the sue happy situation issue at mx parks?
Contracts don't prevent people from suing, nor does any kind of joint agreement to skirt the laws. Even if everyone was part owner, the cost would be spread to all of the participants rather than him burdening the load himself. Most wouldn't pay anyway, leaving him with the bill anyway.
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7/11/2017 2:02pm Edited Date/Time 7/11/2017 2:13pm
my opinion is this. The Barnes family has been a staple of the NW moto scene for decades. I have a very serious doubt that this lawsuit is the brainchild of Bruce. That being said, for all of you calling him a douchbag or saying "fuck that guy", please hold your commentary until this thing plays out. Until the lawsuit is settled one way or the other, none of the parties involved will be able to tell us Vitards their side of the story, so please just give the guy a fucking break until this thing plays out.
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APLMAN99 wrote:
Insurance companies can't force anyone to file a suit against someone else. They can file suit on your behalf using their right of subrogation that virtually...
Insurance companies can't force anyone to file a suit against someone else. They can file suit on your behalf using their right of subrogation that virtually every type of policy would include.
Tracktor wrote:
Who is named as plaintiff in these cases? What happens if the injured refuses to give any assistance to the insurance company in the suit. It...
Who is named as plaintiff in these cases? What happens if the injured refuses to give any assistance to the insurance company in the suit. It seems like to be successful they would need some type of leverage or legal enforcement so the injured would be forced to cooperate?..........
While you may not be legally bound to "help" your insurance company, chances are that there is language in your policy saying that you can't harm their ability to recover through subrogation.

That's why nearly every auto insurance renewal packet I've ever received includes instructions to never accept guilt in the event of an accident.

If you harm their ability to collect through subrogation, they could possibly refuse to pay a claim, since their position would be that someone else is responsible for at least a portion of the damages.
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7/11/2017 2:47pm
An inevitable byproduct of a medical system so deeply reliant on and entangled with the insurance industry...
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7/11/2017 3:19pm Edited Date/Time 7/11/2017 3:21pm
Was the unsafe aspect involved in the incident a single to a table top?

That obstacle has proved problematic in the past.
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7/11/2017 4:28pm Edited Date/Time 7/11/2017 4:37pm
CalRMX wrote:
I wonder how the plaintiff is going to get around the fact that 1) without a dought he was made to sign a waiver or release...
I wonder how the plaintiff is going to get around the fact that

1) without a dought he was made to sign a waiver or release of liability
2) as a volunteer he knew the risks of being trackside.

I'm sure this will not get far
1) In America you cannot sign away all liability and you can not cover all liability by a contract. There is always some wiggle room in the laws.

2) Not everyone would know all the risks involved.

3) Based on what I read, he's gonna win a lot of money!

4) If he got paid any amount of money or merchandise or free entry and food to be a "volunteer", he's gonna win a lot more than a lot of money.
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7/11/2017 4:44pm
hartebreak wrote:
my opinion is this. The Barnes family has been a staple of the NW moto scene for decades. I have a very serious doubt that this...
my opinion is this. The Barnes family has been a staple of the NW moto scene for decades. I have a very serious doubt that this lawsuit is the brainchild of Bruce. That being said, for all of you calling him a douchbag or saying "fuck that guy", please hold your commentary until this thing plays out. Until the lawsuit is settled one way or the other, none of the parties involved will be able to tell us Vitards their side of the story, so please just give the guy a fucking break until this thing plays out.
Not sure if you missed this. Gered confirmed over multiple conversations that he was planning to sue all along.

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