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Crush 5/7/2017 7:07am
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Everyone is making good points but it still isn't right to keep taking him high so he would fall back and maybe even fall. Congrats to...
Everyone is making good points but it still isn't right to keep taking him high so he would fall back and maybe even fall. Congrats to dungey for pulling it off. That was some exciting shit. I'm going to watch again and see how I feel. Best night of racing in a long time maybe ever.
Dude. There are millions on the line.

Like Osborne demonstrated, it's all on the table.

Eli's problem was the choices he made, particularly the second one at slow speed.... He should have blasted Dungey fucking good and proper. Same as Reed in 09 on Stew, doing it in a sweeper was silly.
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Everyone is making good points but it still isn't right to keep taking him high so he would fall back and maybe even fall. Congrats to...
Everyone is making good points but it still isn't right to keep taking him high so he would fall back and maybe even fall. Congrats to dungey for pulling it off. That was some exciting shit. I'm going to watch again and see how I feel. Best night of racing in a long time maybe ever.
It wouldn't have mattered what Dungey did or didn't do, the crybaby brigade didn't like Dungey before the season and they are not going to like him after. Now that he is at the end of his career, when he loses a title, all these bitter butthurt beta boys will say, "see, we told you Tomac is better". It's lose/lose with those types of people. Dungey has been the best rider in the class since RV left but as soon as he loses, the powder puffs come out and tell us how he's a fourth place guy. I think we all know who is living in their own fantasy world.
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Drtbykr 5/7/2017 7:12am
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I'm a Katoom fan myself, but didn't see anything dirty. Dungey is just smart and knew what was coming and how to handle it.

Tomac is fast and exciting.
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Philly215 wrote:
Tomac and Roczen are faster. Villopoto was faster. Stewart, well that's easy. Dungey has never been the fastest guy in the class. He's just consistent. And...
Tomac and Roczen are faster. Villopoto was faster. Stewart, well that's easy. Dungey has never been the fastest guy in the class. He's just consistent. And he's a tool. Always has been. But he gets it done. Shit, Reed was faster in his prime and I hate that guy.
I don't think you can say that. How do we know RD could go that pace as well, but elected to not ride it because he knew going that 5% faster would result in crashes? We don't know, only RD does. What we do know is he has four 450 championships, how many do the rest have combined?

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Everyone is making good points but it still isn't right to keep taking him high so he would fall back and maybe even fall. Congrats to...
Everyone is making good points but it still isn't right to keep taking him high so he would fall back and maybe even fall. Congrats to dungey for pulling it off. That was some exciting shit. I'm going to watch again and see how I feel. Best night of racing in a long time maybe ever.
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Dude. There are millions on the line. Like Osborne demonstrated, it's all on the table. Eli's problem was the choices he made, particularly the second one...
Dude. There are millions on the line.

Like Osborne demonstrated, it's all on the table.

Eli's problem was the choices he made, particularly the second one at slow speed.... He should have blasted Dungey fucking good and proper. Same as Reed in 09 on Stew, doing it in a sweeper was silly.
Agree. Tomac could have been much rougher with him. All in all a very exciting night. Was hoping Tomac would pull off the improbable, but I think it is going to light an outdoor fire in him that will be very hard for anyone (exept himself) to contain.

Jason Anderson on the other hand is a team order following punk for what he did to Reed.
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Philly215 wrote:
Again, they are faster. Faster doesn't mean you'll win the championship as seen this year.
Well Dungey won 10 rounds last year with them both present. Your opinion is in fact wrong.
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phatfi20 5/7/2017 7:23am
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Listen to the post race press conference. Dungey doesnt even think Tomac is dirty. "No hard feelings" "He had to do what he had to do".
wired4speed 5/7/2017 7:31am
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Well played by both riders..... One of the best races for the Championship.... Congrats to both Dungey and Tomac
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g.guthrie 5/7/2017 7:33am
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New to forum so go easy on me but I think ozzy got away with a little bam bam action on savvy and as for eli, well that was dirty pool that cost him another win. I was also surprised Ryan got sucked into it but he wanted to prove he's the best and he did. Congrats to Dungey3
wired4speed 5/7/2017 7:37am
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New to forum so go easy on me but I think ozzy got away with a little bam bam action on savvy and as for eli...
New to forum so go easy on me but I think ozzy got away with a little bam bam action on savvy and as for eli, well that was dirty pool that cost him another win. I was also surprised Ryan got sucked into it but he wanted to prove he's the best and he did. Congrats to Dungey3
You're right... We could also have single file starts with a no passing rule in effect
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brightgrey 5/7/2017 7:39am
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You don't get it do you? Eli needed to rattle Dungey to get this title, it was his absolute only shot. It started with the comments...
You don't get it do you?
Eli needed to rattle Dungey to get this title, it was his absolute only shot.
It started with the comments at the press conference. "If the title comes down to 3 points then good luck sleeping on that"... This could force Dungey to ride a bit harder so it's not just 3 points (Maybe)?
Then the race you saw what happened. Any tip over late in the race would of lost the title for Dungey and Tomac looks like a genious for how he kept them bunched up.
It was a great race and credit to Dungey for pulling it off
Yea because tomacs dominant 12 week run wasn't enough to rattle dungey. He probably thought, hey maybe if I cry about marvs move last week and come off as really whiny I'll get in dungeys head! As far as his moves on the track, yea I get why he had to try something, but that doesn't make them clean. After the 3rd time he ran dungey off the track, it was looking pretty desperate. I'm simply saying that engaging in this type of racing after calling out the KTM crew for what amounts to exactly the same thing makes him look like a hypocrite and a poor sport, to put it nicely.
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g.guthrie 5/7/2017 7:50am
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As usual RD took the high road in spite of Mr. 'it is what it is'
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TDeath21 5/7/2017 7:53am
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It just sucks how many people were in Dungey's corner running blocker for him. I understand Tomac's frustration. He didn't take the high road. Very few people would.
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g.guthrie 5/7/2017 8:06am
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Marv did not pull over because he was asked to, Roger doesn't play that game. MM let RD pass because he knows he could not win the championship himself, so let's bring the title home for katoom. Kudos to Marv for the sacrifice even though I'm no fan of ktm.
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cbuehler767 5/7/2017 8:08am
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Philly215 wrote:
I think Eli rode great and did exactly what he needed to minus getting more aggressive a la Osborne. It sucks seeing the clearly faster guy...
I think Eli rode great and did exactly what he needed to minus getting more aggressive a la Osborne.

It sucks seeing the clearly faster guy throughout the season lose the championship. But Dungey is Mr Consistent so he deserves credit for that. But he's never been the fastest guy. Ever. He just doesn't mess up. He's a passive aggressive bitch in my opinion but he does what he has to to rack up the championships and nobody can fault him for that.
He was the fastest guy last sx season easily and he's destroyed the competition outdoors plenty of times
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cbuehler767 5/7/2017 8:16am
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He's always been a crybaby. He's always been passive aggressive and whiney about stuff. But the fanboys ignore it. Crying about Reed this year because he...
He's always been a crybaby. He's always been passive aggressive and whiney about stuff. But the fanboys ignore it. Crying about Reed this year because he was too slow to pass him after starting shit in the first place after the moto. It goes back to how he handled things with Jlaw (who was faster than him too). I've never liked how he handles things and comes off as an entitled prick. But that's my opinion. I just don't like his personality.
Tomac and Roczen were faster than him but he won 10 races? Jlaw beat him in a regional sx series but never beat him on a 450 but he was faster than Dungey too? You obviously don't know wtf you're talking about
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phatfi20 wrote:
Listen to the post race press conference. Dungey doesnt even think Tomac is dirty. "No hard feelings" "He had to do what he had to do".
Who do you think he was talking about with Jenny? -> "those cheap shots were unbelievable!"
I'm a fan of Tomac btw. I like his aggressive NFG style.
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moco 5/7/2017 8:48am
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Tomac is an egomaniac. Throwing some contact in there is one thing, but he escalated dirty into cheap shot territory. If his ego were any more frail, he would have hired a thug to take out Dungey's kneecaps in the parking lot with a baseball bat. What's the difference with the style of takeouts he tried?
Excuses like 'he was doing what he had to do to win the championship' prove this. He can't see beyond himself in the big picture where he just straight up lost.
Would he really have felt good if the title was won by t-bone?



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g.guthrie 5/7/2017 8:54am
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How can ozzy sleap at nite after such a crushing t-bone. If that happened in ANY other race everybody would be crying foul. I don't understand how Emig and Carmichael can call that fair play
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BikerScars 5/7/2017 9:49am
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akmx17 wrote:
Please, if Tomac wanted to clean him out he could of done it 3-4 times and really made them stick that wasn't his goal. His goal...
Please, if Tomac wanted to clean him out he could of done it 3-4 times and really made them stick that wasn't his goal. His goal was to deliberately slow down the pace to bunch everyone up, then stand Ryan up like he did 3 times and hope everyone goes by.

Tomac could of punted Dungey to the moon many of times.

It was a tactic and if there wasn't so much Orange and White on the track it could of worked.

I also don't understand what you guys wanted Tomac to do, walk away to his 10th dominating win of the year and not win a title to a guy who has two wins? I honestly believe Tomac deserves a medal for not punting Ryan into the stands and trying to use the other racers as a tool to win.

It was smart and the best way to avoid major controversy unlike if had he just taken him out and sent him to the moon.
I was on the other side of this argument but this makes me rethink my opinions on this.

I just interpreted ET as solely trying to get behind Dungey to lay him out, but maybe you are right and he was just trying to stall him.

FWIW, I an not against a rider aggressively passing the rider in front and they end up taking them out. Because their main purpose was to make the pass and advance their position on the track. I just don't want to see the sport turned into roller derby were certain team members aren't fighting to advance their position but just their to solely knock guys down. Might be a fine line between the two?
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Phantom 661 5/7/2017 10:12am
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Philly215 wrote:
I think Eli rode great and did exactly what he needed to minus getting more aggressive a la Osborne. It sucks seeing the clearly faster guy...
I think Eli rode great and did exactly what he needed to minus getting more aggressive a la Osborne.

It sucks seeing the clearly faster guy throughout the season lose the championship. But Dungey is Mr Consistent so he deserves credit for that. But he's never been the fastest guy. Ever. He just doesn't mess up. He's a passive aggressive bitch in my opinion but he does what he has to to rack up the championships and nobody can fault him for that.
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Last year he won 10 races you dummy....
Philly215 wrote:
Tomac and Roczen are faster. Villopoto was faster. Stewart, well that's easy. Dungey has never been the fastest guy in the class. He's just consistent. And...
Tomac and Roczen are faster. Villopoto was faster. Stewart, well that's easy. Dungey has never been the fastest guy in the class. He's just consistent. And he's a tool. Always has been. But he gets it done. Shit, Reed was faster in his prime and I hate that guy.
Oh I don't know about Dungey "never" being the fastest rider. I get what you're saying but there have been times that Dungey was Faster than the riders on your list. You have to be more than just "consistent" to build the stats Dungey has acquired over the years. You know this. Without speed consistency is nothing in this sport.... which is why RD has beat everyone on your list multiple times by being the faster rider.
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Phantom 661 5/7/2017 10:15am
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Philly215 wrote:
I think Eli rode great and did exactly what he needed to minus getting more aggressive a la Osborne. It sucks seeing the clearly faster guy...
I think Eli rode great and did exactly what he needed to minus getting more aggressive a la Osborne.

It sucks seeing the clearly faster guy throughout the season lose the championship. But Dungey is Mr Consistent so he deserves credit for that. But he's never been the fastest guy. Ever. He just doesn't mess up. He's a passive aggressive bitch in my opinion but he does what he has to to rack up the championships and nobody can fault him for that.
BobPA wrote:
Last year he won 10 races you dummy....
Philly215 wrote:
Tomac and Roczen are faster. Villopoto was faster. Stewart, well that's easy. Dungey has never been the fastest guy in the class. He's just consistent. And...
Tomac and Roczen are faster. Villopoto was faster. Stewart, well that's easy. Dungey has never been the fastest guy in the class. He's just consistent. And he's a tool. Always has been. But he gets it done. Shit, Reed was faster in his prime and I hate that guy.
Oops, duplicate.
jimthehenry 5/7/2017 10:21am
5/7/2017 10:21am
Tomac is one very smart racer; he slowed the pace down so the field could catch up. Every time Dungey passed him, Tomac passed back and slowed the pace again especially around that left handed hairpin turn. With 6 or 7 guys all close behind, including Grant, anything could have happened and that was Tomac's only logical strategy. Didn't quite work out, but almost!
Ghost of Jabroni 5/7/2017 10:54am
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He wants dungey to pass him so he can take him out. Dirty shit. Dungey needs to settle for second. I think tomac is slowing up...
He wants dungey to pass him so he can take him out. Dirty shit. Dungey needs to settle for second. I think tomac is slowing up also to bring the competition closer.
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Dirty? Or smart? What Tomac was trying to do is very hard. He was basically coasting/baiting Dungey. Im actually pretty surprised at how dumb Dungey was...
Dirty? Or smart?

What Tomac was trying to do is very hard. He was basically coasting/baiting Dungey.

Im actually pretty surprised at how dumb Dungey was for taking the bait.

Anderson ultimately saved the day. Reed was coming and he would've easily taken the chance to clean out Dungey. Monster woulda paid a nice bonus for it.

Great race. Most entertaining LV nite of racing ever imo.
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Agree about reed. I'm sure monster has told Reed a few times this season that if he can do something to help Eli to do it...
Agree about reed. I'm sure monster has told Reed a few times this season that if he can do something to help Eli to do it.

If I were dungey I'd probably give Anderson $100,000. Saved his championship, cuz Reed was gonna knock him down. Anderson was dungeys last line of defense.

I like how Reed acted all cool at the end, but I think most of us realize what was going to happen there.
Anderson not only saved the season but in some respects preserved a legacy for Dungey.

Reed was riding like there was money on the line. Heck, he mightve won the championship if he raced EVERY race like he did last night. There was definitely a bonus at stake.

I have no problem with any of it. It was wildly entertaining. I wouldve been entertained no matter the outcome. Great effort and result by everyone involved.
Ghost of Jabroni 5/7/2017 10:57am
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After the holeshot? Run away and hide.... he didn't have the speed for that. So that's on him. Early in the race Tomac was on the...
After the holeshot? Run away and hide.... he didn't have the speed for that. So that's on him.

Early in the race Tomac was on the gas. Dungey could've just let him go. But for some dumb reason he got all fired up and wanted to pass Tomac back. Dumb. Dumb. Dumb. He shoulda just let Tomac go.

Then Tomac drops anchor. That's when Dungey found himself in a impossible situation. He shoulda either passed Tomac and ran (he didn't have the speed) when he had the chance or let his balls drop and get ready for a dog fight (which is basically what he did, he survived, luckily for him). As has been mentioned, Kawi's approach was premeditated. Dungey had to know this was coming. At this point I woulda maybe suggested dropping back to 4th but then Reed (Monster) showed up. That woulda been bad for Dungey. Like I said, it became a impossible situation.

That's a lot of thinking mid-race Im asking of Dungey but I hold him in pretty high regard in that dept.

Ryan owes Jason Anderson a lot for punting Reed. That pretty much saved the championship.
wfo4ever wrote:
Dungey owes a lot to Musquin and Anderson. Without them he would have lost. Motocross is a multiple team sport now.
Nothing wrong with the team tactics. It made for a VERY interesting race.

I reserve my right to change my stance on this in the future though if it ruins the racing.
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USMCMXer 5/7/2017 11:06am
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He wants dungey to pass him so he can take him out. Dirty shit. Dungey needs to settle for second. I think tomac is slowing up...
He wants dungey to pass him so he can take him out. Dirty shit. Dungey needs to settle for second. I think tomac is slowing up also to bring the competition closer.
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Tomac should of put Dungey in the cheap seats, but he kept it classy, because he is a class act and knows he is faster and...
Tomac should of put Dungey in the cheap seats, but he kept it classy, because he is a class act and knows he is faster and had more wins than Dungey this season. He is the real Champion and Dungey knows it. Now Dungey will retire because he is scared to go as fast as Tomac and Dungey just needs to go home now. Dungey is done folks.
Crybaby of the day post right here. You sound like a little kid whose friend just took his toys and went home. Here's a tissue for your issue. Go directly to pet smart and get yourself a puppy, quick! It's RACING, your "guy" lost, deal with it. Just curious, who did you crown after KROC got hurt? Thought so....
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Dcope17 5/7/2017 11:19am
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level wrote:
He wants dungey to pass him so he can take him out. Dirty shit. Dungey needs to settle for second. I think tomac is slowing up...
He wants dungey to pass him so he can take him out. Dirty shit. Dungey needs to settle for second. I think tomac is slowing up also to bring the competition closer.
Ghost of Jabroni wrote:
Dirty? Or smart? What Tomac was trying to do is very hard. He was basically coasting/baiting Dungey. Im actually pretty surprised at how dumb Dungey was...
Dirty? Or smart?

What Tomac was trying to do is very hard. He was basically coasting/baiting Dungey.

Im actually pretty surprised at how dumb Dungey was for taking the bait.

Anderson ultimately saved the day. Reed was coming and he would've easily taken the chance to clean out Dungey. Monster woulda paid a nice bonus for it.

Great race. Most entertaining LV nite of racing ever imo.
Dungey didn't take the bait... if you look at the passes Dungey did on Tomac, he had no choice to pass or make a very obvoius hard braking to stay behind.
Musquin pulled over last week to give Dungey 3 more points, as much as i like Dungey, Tomac played a smart race and did all he could do to win the championship. ( which is what everyone racing out there wants to do )
That race you saw was a race of Tomac wanting to win the championship. Plain and simple.
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doghouse 5/7/2017 11:27am
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How anyone takes anything away from last night beyond some epic racing is beyond me.
bents 5/7/2017 11:28am
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Dungey kept his poise under immense pressure, something many others in both classes failed to do when in possession of the red plate. He had no choice but to be in the middle of that fracas and found a way to stay upright and close this championship up with his head secured to his shoulders. He could have retaliated and turned it into an absolute shit show but he didn't do it. Tomac did what he had to do and at the time I was screaming at the TV, but man, what a race and what a series, and I include the 250 class as well. Osborne rode the wheels off that thing to get up to Joey, who has had approx. 1,000,000 chances to put the championship to bed but couldn't/didn't do it.

Dungey won this thing by being absolutely ready from the first gate drop of the season by going 2,2,1 and by his ride at Daytona-an epic championship saving ride. Can't wait to watch it again!
jorgechavez 5/7/2017 11:28am
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moco wrote:
Tomac is an egomaniac. Throwing some contact in there is one thing, but he escalated dirty into cheap shot territory. If his ego were any more...
Tomac is an egomaniac. Throwing some contact in there is one thing, but he escalated dirty into cheap shot territory. If his ego were any more frail, he would have hired a thug to take out Dungey's kneecaps in the parking lot with a baseball bat. What's the difference with the style of takeouts he tried?
Excuses like 'he was doing what he had to do to win the championship' prove this. He can't see beyond himself in the big picture where he just straight up lost.
Would he really have felt good if the title was won by t-bone?



Well he was never gonna t bone anyone so I think he would have felt fine.

If you can't see his strategy in what he did I feel sorry for you. He never once tried to take Dungey out or hurt him, he tried to mess him up which would hopefully cause more mistakes and the pack to get closer. Dungey said himself he knew what Tomac was doing and doesn't blame him for it. Dunge even laughed and said he shouldn't have taken Eli's bait on the last lap.

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