so .... whats wrong with dungey?

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500guy 2/19/2017 6:27pm
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BMSOBx2 wrote:
Sorry, i' m a bit rusty at this. My reply was aimed at 500guy.
Only Because you are the "Smarter Older Brother" I do not recall losing any $20
Park and Huck 2/19/2017 6:36pm
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UpTiTe wrote:
Rumor is Roczen crash effected him bad and is making him think.
I can't imagine why? JK...

It's called maturing, realizing you're not invincible anymore... age does that as we all find out unfortunately..! lol I hope he wins this one in a good fight with MM and/or ET, then hangs'em up.

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krypto71 2/19/2017 6:55pm
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Back in 09 we saw Stew throw it away at the start of the season and then claw back a massive points gap and take the...
Back in 09 we saw Stew throw it away at the start of the season and then claw back a massive points gap and take the championship. As a Reed fan, it was tough to watch. Tomac still has time. Despite some of you saying 9 races left, there are actually 10! Dunge can't afford to relax. Who knows what is going on for him but even if he walked away tomorrow, he goes down as one of the greats. He has already spoken about being unhappy with the amount of track time they are getting before having to race on tracks that appear more sketchy this year. Maybe it is simply that he just wants to get through the year and walk away healthy. They are professionals so they know what they are doing but damn, that Roczen crash. Could have been any of them. It isn't like he is slow, he just doesn't seem to be pushing quite as hard as some of the other guys. I'm guessing that if the points gap tightens up further over the next few weeks he probably turns it up again... Will be interesting to watch.

Also, GO TOMAC! :D
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2009 Had what, two guys that could win races? The way field is today it will be easier for Tomac n Musquin to gain points as...
2009 Had what, two guys that could win races? The way field is today it will be easier for Tomac n Musquin to gain points as to what Stewart had to go through to gain points.
Agree and disagree. Even if Stew crashed, he could get back to the front. We saw plenty of that.
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hvaughn88 2/19/2017 6:57pm
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Just dropping in to make sure y'all are still talking about the 3 time supercross champion that currently has a 16 point lead in the title chase

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kzizok 2/19/2017 7:06pm
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UpTiTe wrote:
Rumor is Roczen crash effected him bad and is making him think.
Park and Huck wrote:
I can't imagine why? JK... It's called maturing, realizing you're not invincible anymore... age does that as we all find out unfortunately..! lol I hope he...
I can't imagine why? JK...

It's called maturing, realizing you're not invincible anymore... age does that as we all find out unfortunately..! lol I hope he wins this one in a good fight with MM and/or ET, then hangs'em up.

Is the rumor a question or a proclamation?
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C_Hart3 2/19/2017 7:31pm
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I used to watch a lot as a kid, in the Ricky Carmichael days. Just recently, last year, I started watching again. I remember watching Dungey in awe, how smooth he was on his bike, like he was one with it. The way he moved in the whoops, he and his bike moved together, he seemed to glide through them. I was thoroughly impressed. He was always way ahead of everyone, nobody could catch him.

After watching him this year he doesn't look like that anymore. He doesn't glide through the whoops, he doesn't look one with his bike. Sure maybe other riders, ET and MM are stepping up, but that does not change how RD looks on his bike. Something is different, doesn't take away the fact that his is still a fantastic rider, and he has the points lead and could very well win this thing. Maybe nothing is "wrong" but something certainly is different.
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mx617 2/19/2017 7:39pm
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Last year through 7 rounds Dungey had 166 to Roczens 143. Anderson had 131. So 16 points to 2nd and 35 to 3rd.

This year Dungey has 149 Musquin 133 to Tomac 125. So 16 points to 2nd and 24 to 3rd.

Gap to 2nd exactly the same, gap to 3rd is a bit tighter. Big difference is he had 4 wins to this point last year, and just one this year.
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dmac1 2/19/2017 7:53pm
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It does seem to me too that Dungey has been off the pace just a tad ever since Roczen's crash. Why, I don't know, but its likely a combination of things.

When Roczen crashed, it seemed that Dungey had it wrapped up...'all' he had to do was ride his laps and keep finishing near the top and it was his. It seems that is pretty much what he is doing...BUT, he isn't looking as good as in the last couple years (or even earlier this year) and that is what I think is prompting all the questioning in this thread.

If there was ONE race I figured he'd go all out to win it was the MN race. Its been important to him in the past and it didn't happen.

10 races...16 points. Thats not an insurmountable lead by any stretch of the imagination. He can keep doing what he has been doing for awhile longer and if the other guys behind him blow up, then those saying 'all is well' will be able to say 'I told ya so'. If, on the other hand, they don't blow up....then we're gonna be in for some fun racin!!!
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Although I'd like to see either one of the other two take the title tomac a little more then m.m. The chances of that happening are pretty slim dungey just has to be dungey for the remaining races. The other two have to be flawless and when have they ever been?
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C_Hart3 2/19/2017 8:37pm
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It's funny, I thought Dungey would go all out in MN too, in fact in his heat race it looked like he was, but then in the mains it appeared he went back into his easy going, protect mode. Safely ride and get the most points he can while not taking any risks. Don't get me wrong, that is working for him, he does have the points lead, and the other two need to keep being pretty much perfect to beat him.
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Paul333 2/19/2017 10:15pm
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Third for the night w/points lead is a problem?
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Flatliner 2/19/2017 11:12pm
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Not a fan of Ryan Dungey myself, but that is just my opinion. He has just always been a very boring rider, not a whole lot...
Not a fan of Ryan Dungey myself, but that is just my opinion. He has just always been a very boring rider, not a whole lot of excitement watching him ride or even give a podium speech or interview. He never really seems to ever just go for it when he races. He does not really seem to care about winning say like Hannah, RC or JS7 did. They hated to loose and and anything less was unacceptable. They are the like the rabbit and Dungey is the turtle. But his boring smart riding is very effective and it does win a few * championships when all the exciting riders are injured. I do believe he would like to be able to walk away from this sport on his own without any major or life altering injuries and have enough money to live a good life and provide for his family. And that is where Dungey is very smart and I do not blame him one bit, because that is very smart. I hope he is able to leave the sport on his terms. I do not see Dungey hanging around the sport like Windham or Reed, he will retire soon.
Some of your post is ok , and some of it is absolutely insane.

Not a single one of his championships have an asterisk. In fact the last two sx titles specifically, he's been the most consistent, as well as the fastest guy. It's not even a debate. Most wins, both years. By quite a bit.

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jemcee 2/19/2017 11:16pm
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I think Dungey's recent little less than Dungey riding has more to do with the sketchy broken down tracks and Tomac and Musquin's ability to ride said broken down sketchy tracks.. I don't think he feels as confident hanging it out on them so he's just trying to get through them with the least amount of damage.. (quite successfully)

People saying he doesn't have the straight up speed? Maybe, but he's close enough with almost none of the mistakes, which makes him better in my book
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Motofinne 2/19/2017 11:19pm
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I feel like he is more like the RD before Aldon. Way less aggressive than in 2015 and 2016.
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KurtJ99 2/20/2017 5:12am
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Fourth_Floor wrote:
You must have missed the 2nd race where he hung with Roczen and those two gapped the whole field.
Yes, and Dungey was leading A2 before Kenny crashed.
At Minneapolis backed down after off camera near crash.
If he nearly crashed and jumped off the track it's hard to believe he wasn't pushing it.
You aren't in Championship cruise control when you push it hard enough to crash.
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Dtat720 2/20/2017 5:22am
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Fourth_Floor wrote:
You must have missed the 2nd race where he hung with Roczen and those two gapped the whole field.
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Yes, and Dungey was leading A2 before Kenny crashed. At Minneapolis backed down after off camera near crash. If he nearly crashed and jumped off the...
Yes, and Dungey was leading A2 before Kenny crashed.
At Minneapolis backed down after off camera near crash.
If he nearly crashed and jumped off the track it's hard to believe he wasn't pushing it.
You aren't in Championship cruise control when you push it hard enough to crash.
If thats the case then is there not cause for concern? Devils advocate here.... if he pushed his pace hard enough to almost crash, what does that say when Tomac was gapping him at that pace? I think guys are reading way too much in to it all. I honestly think hes over it and ready for the season to be finished and he finish it with his health. Nothing more, nothing less. He has nothing to prove to anyone. Why risk it. Finish healthy and call it a career.
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sozo 2/20/2017 6:08am
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Zalev wrote:
This. He's not the same since KR crash. Maybe he will step it up when his points lead will be in real danger, but it seems...
This.

He's not the same since KR crash. Maybe he will step it up when his points lead will be in real danger, but it seems like he's more focused on staying consistent and healthy right now. He has nothing to prove anyway.
This....^^^^^ and I would do this too, but I hope he doesn't let the lead slip away too far before he kicks it in high gear. He is choosing his battles that track stunk this weekend...

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1st Amendment 2/20/2017 7:12am
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Not a fan of Ryan Dungey myself, but that is just my opinion. He has just always been a very boring rider, not a whole lot...
Not a fan of Ryan Dungey myself, but that is just my opinion. He has just always been a very boring rider, not a whole lot of excitement watching him ride or even give a podium speech or interview. He never really seems to ever just go for it when he races. He does not really seem to care about winning say like Hannah, RC or JS7 did. They hated to loose and and anything less was unacceptable. They are the like the rabbit and Dungey is the turtle. But his boring smart riding is very effective and it does win a few * championships when all the exciting riders are injured. I do believe he would like to be able to walk away from this sport on his own without any major or life altering injuries and have enough money to live a good life and provide for his family. And that is where Dungey is very smart and I do not blame him one bit, because that is very smart. I hope he is able to leave the sport on his terms. I do not see Dungey hanging around the sport like Windham or Reed, he will retire soon.
He never really seems to ever just go for it when he races He does not really seem to care about winning say like Hannah, RC or JS7 did.

How does one actually get as many wins as him with that attitude? SMFH Some people around here.


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davistld01 2/20/2017 9:22am
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I think all this crap about Dungey being scared is ignorance gone to seed. The guy knows how to minimize loss, and maximize points. Of course he wants to win. But why would he out everything on the line every race like some other guys do just to make a point...like the other guys need to do? He's had one race off the podium so far this season, right? Who else can say that? In my opinion, this is Ryan's last year...and he wants to win the title, but keep himself in one piece so that he has a wonderful after-racing life to look forward to. Nothing at all wrong with that.
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Wandell 2/20/2017 10:08am
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wfo4ever wrote:
Not a fan of Ryan Dungey myself, but that is just my opinion. He has just always been a very boring rider, not a whole lot...
Not a fan of Ryan Dungey myself, but that is just my opinion. He has just always been a very boring rider, not a whole lot of excitement watching him ride or even give a podium speech or interview. He never really seems to ever just go for it when he races. He does not really seem to care about winning say like Hannah, RC or JS7 did. They hated to loose and and anything less was unacceptable. They are the like the rabbit and Dungey is the turtle. But his boring smart riding is very effective and it does win a few * championships when all the exciting riders are injured. I do believe he would like to be able to walk away from this sport on his own without any major or life altering injuries and have enough money to live a good life and provide for his family. And that is where Dungey is very smart and I do not blame him one bit, because that is very smart. I hope he is able to leave the sport on his terms. I do not see Dungey hanging around the sport like Windham or Reed, he will retire soon.
You should really read the interview with Bob Hannah where he talks about Dungey. Basically Hannah said he should have ridden smart like Dungey. He said he left a lot of race wins and championships on the table because he wanted to not only win, but destroy the competition.
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mx836 2/20/2017 10:12am
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I think all this crap about Dungey being scared is ignorance gone to seed. The guy knows how to minimize loss, and maximize points. Of course...
I think all this crap about Dungey being scared is ignorance gone to seed. The guy knows how to minimize loss, and maximize points. Of course he wants to win. But why would he out everything on the line every race like some other guys do just to make a point...like the other guys need to do? He's had one race off the podium so far this season, right? Who else can say that? In my opinion, this is Ryan's last year...and he wants to win the title, but keep himself in one piece so that he has a wonderful after-racing life to look forward to. Nothing at all wrong with that.
Dungey was not just playing it safe. Maybe you could say he wasn't riding over his head(never does), but he was still giving his all and the better guys beat him. Almost had a very nasty over the bars on the dragons back. I don't call that playing it safe. He is susceptible to injury line anyone else.
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GuyB 2/20/2017 10:33am
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There's nothing wrong with him. Listen to this week's post-race press conference video. He had a big moment, went off the track, and Marv got by him.



It is interesting to see how the points have fluctuated over the last four rounds. Here's the points difference for both Eli and Marvin as the chase Dungey.

Tomac
Phoenix (win) -20
Oakland (win) -17
Dallas (15th after brake problems) -29
Minneapolis (win) -24

Marvin
Phoenix -15
Oakland (9th after a crash) -25
Dallas (win) -18
Minneapolis -16

Is this championship over? Not by a long stretch.
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RbR 2/20/2017 11:20am
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I read most of the responses, but might have missed one or two. Dungey was hanging with Tomac and pulling away from Marvin until he came within a half a heartbeat of going over the bars in the dragon back section .. just like Bogle and Martin did. Dungey was lucky to save it, but hit his chest hard on his bars and flopped cockeyed off the track, somehow clearing the tough-blocks. Dungey clearly backed it down after that.
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Not in the Dumbgeon yet?
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davistld01 2/20/2017 1:15pm
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I love the fact that for the last two years, 99% of the riders in any SX main have been beaten by a guy everybody says rides too slow & conservatively!
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jnickell 2/20/2017 1:18pm
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davistld01 wrote:
I love the fact that for the last two years, 99% of the riders in any SX main have been beaten by a guy everybody says...
I love the fact that for the last two years, 99% of the riders in any SX main have been beaten by a guy everybody says rides too slow & conservatively!
...and if you want to break it down by year, for the last two years he beat 100% of them.
muGz.147 2/20/2017 2:09pm
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He's in the middle of his farewell tour and doing just enough to get the job done. Although...I do feel that Roczen's crash has a slight effect on his psyche.

That "close moment" Saturday night happened right in front of me. He basically was just about to crash exactly like Bogle did...but he kept his front wheel JUST high enough and his heart rate shot to the friggin' moon....guaranteed. Small detour...and the subsequent "come down" from his panic attack put him into cruise control...and it was slower than Marvin was going. End of story.
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gabrielito 2/20/2017 2:59pm
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There are two things wrong with Dungey. 1. He doesn't like to crash. B. He likes to win championships more than races. Hopefully he figures it out before it's too late.
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