Cooper Webb rips MX Sports on Twitter

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7/3/2016 7:56am
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I knew TFS quite well, and he loved nothing more than to rattle cages and stir things up. I'm not sure what it was exactly that...
I knew TFS quite well, and he loved nothing more than to rattle cages and stir things up. I'm not sure what it was exactly that soured the relationship between Steve and Davey, He led the way on digital photography in the moto scene (I bought one of his early cameras when he upgraded to something different), and I'm sure he made some decent money doing it.

I do know that Steve changed over time, and whether it was health issues, or the med therapy he was taking in an effort to lose some weight, he was substantially different person than the eternally cheery guy he was when I first met him.
I think the things you mentioned together with the constant manipulation by Fan's,riders, Teams , and everyone else wore Steve down.

You know what it's like, I'm sure your phone gets blown up on a regular basis over things posted here.
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500guy wrote:
I think the things you mentioned together with the constant manipulation by Fan's,riders, Teams , and everyone else wore Steve down. You know what it's like...
I think the things you mentioned together with the constant manipulation by Fan's,riders, Teams , and everyone else wore Steve down.

You know what it's like, I'm sure your phone gets blown up on a regular basis over things posted here.
Occasionally? Yeah. But probably a whole lot less than you might imagine.
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7/3/2016 10:27am
DC you don't owe anyone an explanation for shit. Considering everything I think you do a great job. It is better and larger than 10 years ago and I think with time it will get better and better.
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GuyB wrote:
I knew TFS quite well, and he loved nothing more than to rattle cages and stir things up. I'm not sure what it was exactly that...
I knew TFS quite well, and he loved nothing more than to rattle cages and stir things up. I'm not sure what it was exactly that soured the relationship between Steve and Davey, He led the way on digital photography in the moto scene (I bought one of his early cameras when he upgraded to something different), and I'm sure he made some decent money doing it.

I do know that Steve changed over time, and whether it was health issues, or the med therapy he was taking in an effort to lose some weight, he was substantially different person than the eternally cheery guy he was when I first met him.
Taking a jab on a dead guy? Shocked People who really knew him, wouldn't question his mind on a open forum. Sad

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Taking a jab on a dead guy? Shocked People who really knew him, wouldn't question his mind on a open forum. Sad
If I said he was turning into the Geoff Meyer of America, that would be taking a jab at him. I didn't say that.

I do, however, think that people have their rosy perceptions of him, when possibly the reality was a little different...particularly at the end.
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DrSweden wrote:
Taking a jab on a dead guy? Shocked People who really knew him, wouldn't question his mind on a open forum. Sad
GuyB wrote:
If I said he was turning into the Geoff Meyer of America, that would be taking a jab at him. I didn't say that. I do...
If I said he was turning into the Geoff Meyer of America, that would be taking a jab at him. I didn't say that.

I do, however, think that people have their rosy perceptions of him, when possibly the reality was a little different...particularly at the end.
Rosy perceptions? Where? At Vital? To my recollection it was quite the opposite… Sad

Different reality in the end? When? His last years was spent at NASA and Boing? I talked to him a few days before he died...
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7/3/2016 5:26pm
hvaughn88 wrote:
When did making money become such a bad thing?
Zracer wrote:
Said by every slave owner. Ever. Not directed at DC , but to answer you question, When the aquisition of wealth overtook common decency or fairness...
Said by every slave owner. Ever. Not directed at DC , but to answer you question, When the aquisition of wealth overtook common decency or fairness in trade. For the simple folk, the moment it was invented. Does " the root of all evil" ring a bell? Way too many posters here are hung up on money. Who makes what. Who has what.
How old are you?

I will guess 16 to 18 or less,because that seems to be youth's moto, money corrupts so i wont work for nun but will you pay my school bill and feed me while i pursue a career in studentry,

Fucking idiot.
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7/3/2016 5:36pm Edited Date/Time 7/3/2016 5:39pm
Thank god that many decades ago Davy Combs Sr got a wild ass hair to bring his kids to the races one day....without a bike LOL. Think of where American MX would be without the Combs family!.....Amateur AND professional. Thank you DC and to your ENTIRE family!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! When I think of American MX I don't think of a greedy family trying to "milk" it. I think differently when I think about MXGP.

DC, you and Dave McCoy are my hero's!
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DC. I think for most of us here there is no need to have to explain anything. Anyone that knows anything about the history of you...
DC. I think for most of us here there is no need to have to explain anything. Anyone that knows anything about the history of you and your family and the impact your work has had on this sport appreciates and knows it comes from passion not money.

Unfortunately some people feel better about their own circumstance if they can tear down someone else they feel got a bigger piece of the pie.
I agree, its always the tall poppy syndrome people have here, to bring down successful people because they are either jealous or think they can do a better job or feel slighted (often because they do not know the full story).

I mean look at the idiots here who post negative stuff about JS, Canard, etc.Instead of celebrating what these guys have achieved (and continue to do) some here want to constantly bring them down...he should do this, he should do that, he shouldnt of made that jump, he should of made that jump...etc etc etc. We all have opinions and I am not saying people cant, but some perspective and common sense needs to be applied to some of the posts.

Personally if Cooper has an issue he needs to take it up personally with DC not vent on Instagram. Social media is not the right forum for those sort of things.
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7/3/2016 10:20pm
Anyone is free to put up all the cash they have or have borrowed and start their own series. It's a lot easier to say that a promoter or CEO sucks than to actually become that promoter or CEO. I really hope that all the complaining young people of today save every penny they have and invest as a promoter or go to college and grad school so they can finally become the head of a business and run it the "right" way.
7/3/2016 11:23pm
I'm of no opinion, however I'm stoked that TFS spirit lives on !
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hillbilly wrote:
How old are you? I will guess 16 to 18 or less,because that seems to be youth's moto, money corrupts so i wont work for nun...
How old are you?

I will guess 16 to 18 or less,because that seems to be youth's moto, money corrupts so i wont work for nun but will you pay my school bill and feed me while i pursue a career in studentry,

Fucking idiot.
Solid gold, you took the words out of my mouth.

Be careful, you might violate his "safe space"
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all said, this would still be a funner place with TFS in it.
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I've never seen a problem with DC running both Racer X and the Nationals. Racer X never spews out a load of propaganda regarding the races, and they provide equal coverage to all series. DC is pretty straightforward about the fact that he runs races, and his staff is fairly objective as well.

All that DC does he does to make motocross better, and the sacrifices his family has made will only appreciate over time.
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Thank god that many decades ago Davy Combs Sr got a wild ass hair to bring his kids to the races one day....without a bike LOL...
Thank god that many decades ago Davy Combs Sr got a wild ass hair to bring his kids to the races one day....without a bike LOL. Think of where American MX would be without the Combs family!.....Amateur AND professional. Thank you DC and to your ENTIRE family!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! When I think of American MX I don't think of a greedy family trying to "milk" it. I think differently when I think about MXGP.

DC, you and Dave McCoy are my hero's!
^^This Totally This.

Thank you DC for EVERYTHING you do.

Long live Mammoth Motocross.

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7/4/2016 8:42am
hvaughn88 wrote:
When did making money become such a bad thing?
Zracer wrote:
Said by every slave owner. Ever. Not directed at DC , but to answer you question, When the aquisition of wealth overtook common decency or fairness...
Said by every slave owner. Ever. Not directed at DC , but to answer you question, When the aquisition of wealth overtook common decency or fairness in trade. For the simple folk, the moment it was invented. Does " the root of all evil" ring a bell? Way too many posters here are hung up on money. Who makes what. Who has what.
hillbilly wrote:
How old are you? I will guess 16 to 18 or less,because that seems to be youth's moto, money corrupts so i wont work for nun...
How old are you?

I will guess 16 to 18 or less,because that seems to be youth's moto, money corrupts so i wont work for nun but will you pay my school bill and feed me while i pursue a career in studentry,

Fucking idiot.
Thank you for that Hillbilly...you took the words right out of my mouth
7/4/2016 8:49am
Cooper Webb praising MXGP and ripping on MX Sports last night on Twitter: The comments were so off the wall that Matthes insinuated that Webb's acct...
Cooper Webb praising MXGP and ripping on MX Sports last night on Twitter:

The comments were so off the wall that Matthes insinuated that Webb's acct may have been hacked and Reed said "Oh know he didn't" regarding Webb's initial tweet promoting the upcoming Charlotte MXGP map:

"Looking good, can't wait for a 'real' MX series race to be held in the States"

Did something go down for Webb to say not only that but much more responding to fans on his original tweet, here's an example:

Note to Coop: When criticizing someone for improperly running a series, fucking please spell all words contained in your critical tweet correctly....It might carry a tad more weight and you won't appear as an uneducated red neck ..... Good race btw Smile You were hauling ass.... Wink
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I respect the GPs as a series and I know they aren't perfect at all, same with the US nationals. But all I really need to know or see are the differences in the guys that control them. I've never seen Davey Combs in a button up dress shirt. I do always see him running around the infield in a sweaty t shirt with dirty hands, and always still time to say hi back. I like his style and have a lot of respect for the guy. And I hope all that hard work and sacrifices he and his family make pay off and he gets rich and buys a mansion.
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7/4/2016 9:24am
Zracer wrote:
Said by every slave owner. Ever. Not directed at DC , but to answer you question, When the aquisition of wealth overtook common decency or fairness...
Said by every slave owner. Ever. Not directed at DC , but to answer you question, When the aquisition of wealth overtook common decency or fairness in trade. For the simple folk, the moment it was invented. Does " the root of all evil" ring a bell? Way too many posters here are hung up on money. Who makes what. Who has what.
hillbilly wrote:
How old are you? I will guess 16 to 18 or less,because that seems to be youth's moto, money corrupts so i wont work for nun...
How old are you?

I will guess 16 to 18 or less,because that seems to be youth's moto, money corrupts so i wont work for nun but will you pay my school bill and feed me while i pursue a career in studentry,

Fucking idiot.
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Thank you for that Hillbilly...you took the words right out of my mouth
As one of those perceived 'slave owners' I couldn't have said it better myself either. I don't personally know you Hillbilly, but I think we'd get along. It amazes me how somehow working hard and making money, makes you a greedy crook, to the sheeple. Amazing. Some get it.....some don't i guess.
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Mxsports made him do the press conference after high point. Told him if he skipped it he'd get last gate pick at the next round or...
Mxsports made him do the press conference after high point. Told him if he skipped it he'd get last gate pick at the next round or something like that.

Hes been handing out middle fingers all year, now its directed at mxsports.
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Someone has it figured out.
EEE299 wrote:
Yeah but clearly everyone wants to talk about how the Nationals suck instead of what Webb was actually pissed about. Also I stand by my survival...
Yeah but clearly everyone wants to talk about how the Nationals suck instead of what Webb was actually pissed about.

Also I stand by my survival thread idea, Icespikes is on a new level sometimes. Laughing
x2 !!!!
7/4/2016 12:34pm
Zracer wrote:
Said by every slave owner. Ever. Not directed at DC , but to answer you question, When the aquisition of wealth overtook common decency or fairness...
Said by every slave owner. Ever. Not directed at DC , but to answer you question, When the aquisition of wealth overtook common decency or fairness in trade. For the simple folk, the moment it was invented. Does " the root of all evil" ring a bell? Way too many posters here are hung up on money. Who makes what. Who has what.
I have been broke and I have had money and trust me I like having money much better. I learned a lot when I had nothing and it makes me value everything I have now.Wink

" I realize there’s no shame in being poor, but it’s no great honor either" – Fiddler on the Roof
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hillbilly wrote:
He commented on the 1st moto podium at MC that he saw a bunch of tractors out there after 450s and that they ruined it. I...
He commented on the 1st moto podium at MC that he saw a bunch of tractors out there after 450s and that they ruined it.

I agree,the lap times dropped like 6 seconds.

A lot of guys in the back 20 have trouble with long rutts . Maybe they complain,or maybe they want the bikes looking fast ,i dunno.

If it was up to me I'd work the start and domnhill so everyone can clear the start,the rest should go to hell and be left alone.

The few highspeed jumps could be fixed for safety to i guess.
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It's good to hear a top rider complain when they excessively groom !!!! Although High Point was excellent and many riders commented as to how it...
It's good to hear a top rider complain when they excessively groom !!!! Although High Point was excellent and many riders commented as to how it was "A Man's Track ". Here they are ruining cool sections at Budds Creek and Unadilla !!!!!







cdm806 wrote:
"ruining", otherwise known as making it safe for the first lap with 40 bikes close together come by in short order. Ya know, however your ignorant...
"ruining", otherwise known as making it safe for the first lap with 40 bikes close together come by in short order. Ya know, however your ignorant ass chooses to look at it.
Cdm806 ……….You responded, “ruining, otherwise known as making it safe for the first lap with 40 bikes close together come by in short order. Ya know, however your ignorant ass chooses to look at it.”
I’m pretty sure one of GuyB’s VITALMX rules is not to personally insult another Vital member, but whatever.
Since your ignorant ass is from NY, you can probably easily recognize that this section is nowhere near the start at Unadilla 2015. THIS is what I was talking about, dumbing it down, not the first turn or second straightaway. I also stated that many professional riders thought High Point 2016 was amazing and they left it rough and rutted in many places.


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7/4/2016 2:46pm Edited Date/Time 7/4/2016 2:49pm
DC wrote:
Lostboy819, I love how MXA keeps this interview up on their page... Bud Feldkamp gave that interview after one of his previous GPs, which didn't work...
Lostboy819, I love how MXA keeps this interview up on their page... Bud Feldkamp gave that interview after one of his previous GPs, which didn't work out very well, and he was venting here.

The problem is that most of what Bud said in that interview was wrong and just ill-informed. The NPG was never a business, it was a collective of individual promoters who agreed to all work together in order to make series more appealing for the riders, the race teams, the fans and the sponsors. There was no business that the NPG (which my dad founded) could use to "buy" the series, but we made a bid anyway, as well as one from MX Sports Pro Racing which would manage the day-to-day, year-round work related to such a big series. DMG won the bid, not MX Sports (which I represented, and John Ayers represented the NPG) and then DMG invited MX Sports) to take over the motocross property. It's worked really well. We have live TV, online streaming, bigger sponsors than ever, and so far this year more fans at every round. The NPG was not equipped with the resources or personnel to run an entire series, and Bud certainly knew that. Also, the $2 million number Bud gave in the interviews was five times smaller than what the AMA was asking for, and what DMG paid.

I get that Bud and everyone at Glen Helen like to do things their own way, and we try to work through every difference. I wish MXA would delete this interview from popping up, so I don't have to explain how far off it was every time someone posts it here. Bud was bitter about having given up his national, and not long after this was posted we started talking again to get Glen Helen back on the schedule as part of the series.

DC

This whole thing just cracks me up. The meatheads on this forum get a little info and run wild with it like they have any real...
This whole thing just cracks me up. The meatheads on this forum get a little info and run wild with it like they have any real clue what goes on behind the scenes and what the real reasons are for certain things happening.

As for Webbs comments you need a motorhome or trailer to call the riders into that shoot their mouths off ala Nascar and have a conversation with them in Big Bill France fashion. "Cooper all I have to say is that this sport don't NEED you but you do NEED it" Smile

and for the record I'm a huge CWebb fan!
A little info?

A player did an interview for a magazine who was involved on many levels.....

A rider unloads on them for what is obvious to him.....



The rider gives a list of charges, 1) not much being invested back into the sport, at the track 2) he sees the crowds and tv, to him it's obvious somebody's bankin.

DC chimes in that DMG paid $10 million for what? A big pile of junk? Something that was losing money? Right! (I have sold a couple businesses, nobody throws you $10 mil for nothing)

DC acts as if no one could run Moto as good as him, he always has, but then says he has to ride his bike to the events because he doesn't make enough money doing it (that's not what he said by the way but it's what he implies, actually it's worse than riding his bike, he has implied in here before that his other job has to pay his way to the races) I have a second company that all the profits go into the bank, because I don't need it, not because it's going broke, I live off of my first company.

As a fan of moto I just wish DC would say "moto is rolling good for all the players, me included" I hope he's getting fat off of it, I have seen the payouts get better, the contracts get bigger for many of the riders, it seems pretty healthy right now.

Does the GP seem like it's doing better for all the players, not to me but I haven't seen that side, their tv package is junk and the riders don't get any payouts.......


.......a little info?
7/4/2016 5:33pm Edited Date/Time 7/4/2016 5:41pm
DC wrote:
Lostboy819, I love how MXA keeps this interview up on their page... Bud Feldkamp gave that interview after one of his previous GPs, which didn't work...
Lostboy819, I love how MXA keeps this interview up on their page... Bud Feldkamp gave that interview after one of his previous GPs, which didn't work out very well, and he was venting here.

The problem is that most of what Bud said in that interview was wrong and just ill-informed. The NPG was never a business, it was a collective of individual promoters who agreed to all work together in order to make series more appealing for the riders, the race teams, the fans and the sponsors. There was no business that the NPG (which my dad founded) could use to "buy" the series, but we made a bid anyway, as well as one from MX Sports Pro Racing which would manage the day-to-day, year-round work related to such a big series. DMG won the bid, not MX Sports (which I represented, and John Ayers represented the NPG) and then DMG invited MX Sports) to take over the motocross property. It's worked really well. We have live TV, online streaming, bigger sponsors than ever, and so far this year more fans at every round. The NPG was not equipped with the resources or personnel to run an entire series, and Bud certainly knew that. Also, the $2 million number Bud gave in the interviews was five times smaller than what the AMA was asking for, and what DMG paid.

I get that Bud and everyone at Glen Helen like to do things their own way, and we try to work through every difference. I wish MXA would delete this interview from popping up, so I don't have to explain how far off it was every time someone posts it here. Bud was bitter about having given up his national, and not long after this was posted we started talking again to get Glen Helen back on the schedule as part of the series.

DC

This whole thing just cracks me up. The meatheads on this forum get a little info and run wild with it like they have any real...
This whole thing just cracks me up. The meatheads on this forum get a little info and run wild with it like they have any real clue what goes on behind the scenes and what the real reasons are for certain things happening.

As for Webbs comments you need a motorhome or trailer to call the riders into that shoot their mouths off ala Nascar and have a conversation with them in Big Bill France fashion. "Cooper all I have to say is that this sport don't NEED you but you do NEED it" Smile

and for the record I'm a huge CWebb fan!
This is a interview that was from Bud Feldkamp back when he pulled Glen Helen from the nationals and the things he said happened. DC was asked his take because there are at least two sides to every story and he answered. Now that Glen Helen is back and the business side has been worked out MXA still pops that interview up on its web site to stir the Shit. If you cant under stand this I typed it slow, or better yet go have your mom read it to you and explain the big words.
7/4/2016 5:40pm
DC wrote:
Lostboy819, I love how MXA keeps this interview up on their page... Bud Feldkamp gave that interview after one of his previous GPs, which didn't work...
Lostboy819, I love how MXA keeps this interview up on their page... Bud Feldkamp gave that interview after one of his previous GPs, which didn't work out very well, and he was venting here.

The problem is that most of what Bud said in that interview was wrong and just ill-informed. The NPG was never a business, it was a collective of individual promoters who agreed to all work together in order to make series more appealing for the riders, the race teams, the fans and the sponsors. There was no business that the NPG (which my dad founded) could use to "buy" the series, but we made a bid anyway, as well as one from MX Sports Pro Racing which would manage the day-to-day, year-round work related to such a big series. DMG won the bid, not MX Sports (which I represented, and John Ayers represented the NPG) and then DMG invited MX Sports) to take over the motocross property. It's worked really well. We have live TV, online streaming, bigger sponsors than ever, and so far this year more fans at every round. The NPG was not equipped with the resources or personnel to run an entire series, and Bud certainly knew that. Also, the $2 million number Bud gave in the interviews was five times smaller than what the AMA was asking for, and what DMG paid.

I get that Bud and everyone at Glen Helen like to do things their own way, and we try to work through every difference. I wish MXA would delete this interview from popping up, so I don't have to explain how far off it was every time someone posts it here. Bud was bitter about having given up his national, and not long after this was posted we started talking again to get Glen Helen back on the schedule as part of the series.

DC

DC did you ever ask Jody to pull the interview because it "so far off" in your words ? or just because its water under the bridge and everything has been worked out or ask him why it pops up even though it was so long ago, Is there no " professional courtesy" in the world of moto journalism?
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7/4/2016 7:42pm Edited Date/Time 7/4/2016 7:43pm
lostboy819 wrote:
DC did you ever ask Jody to pull the interview because it "so far off" in your words ? or just because its water under the...
DC did you ever ask Jody to pull the interview because it "so far off" in your words ? or just because its water under the bridge and everything has been worked out or ask him why it pops up even though it was so long ago, Is there no " professional courtesy" in the world of moto journalism?
I am only speculating here, but MXA probably has a bee in their bonnet against DC and his company since 2 strokes cannot compete (equal displacement wise) at the nationals?

Probably going seriously off topic there but MXA are a little precious that way, same goes with bike brands, look how many pictures of KTM's and Yamahas are always in there REM reports ...but its their magazine they are entitled to do that, which is probably why I dont bother looking in it (or at their website) very often compared to others.
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That's me standing in the middle of the picture. This was taken during the break between practice and the last chance races when typically the most grooming would be done.
7/5/2016 7:46am
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Laughing Laughing Laughing Morans
Morans*

Sure about that? Grinning
mx317 wrote:
Morans is correct on here. It goes way back.
Well aware of that.... was continuing the original joke.
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Dumbgeon; yet?
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DrSweden wrote:
Taking a jab on a dead guy? Shocked People who really knew him, wouldn't question his mind on a open forum. Sad
GuyB wrote:
If I said he was turning into the Geoff Meyer of America, that would be taking a jab at him. I didn't say that. I do...
If I said he was turning into the Geoff Meyer of America, that would be taking a jab at him. I didn't say that.

I do, however, think that people have their rosy perceptions of him, when possibly the reality was a little different...particularly at the end.
DrSweden wrote:
Rosy perceptions? Where? At Vital? To my recollection it was quite the opposite… :( Different reality in the end? When? His last years was spent at...
Rosy perceptions? Where? At Vital? To my recollection it was quite the opposite… Sad

Different reality in the end? When? His last years was spent at NASA and Boing? I talked to him a few days before he died...
In my opinion and only my opinion the man got involved with a "doctor" selling him a miracle cure and didn't fully factor in his GI problems. At one time I saw the man digest more "health" pills than he digested food. His last few months after leaving the circus were spent staying at someone else's house, working as an independent contractor for NASA and other airliners as a Propulsion Engineer if I'm not mistaken. I don't think he wanted to leave the moto world but he had little choice.

Sadly http://tfs.smugmug.com/ and http://www.stevebruhn.com/ no long exist or you could read up on what he was doing and going through.

I don't think it's wrong or speaking ill of the dead to discuss his choices, and I feel TFS would've wanted us to at least think about his choices, be it a good or bad a opinion.
As long as you were thinking.

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