Marijuana at the track

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avidchimp wrote:
Blame W.R. Hearst for the anti-marijuana propaganda back in the day. Hemp (no measurable THC) was a huge threat to his paper business, so he went...
Blame W.R. Hearst for the anti-marijuana propaganda back in the day. Hemp (no measurable THC) was a huge threat to his paper business, so he went after it with all guns blazing.

He did finance/make "Refer Madness" to make the general public fear the refer.
Don't forget good old harry anslinger
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You can tell the stoners because after they lose they're still happy.
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I like to smoke before I work out. It allows me to focus on my breathing a little better and stay focused. But racing high scares me. Did it once and my eyes would not stop watering. Never again.
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Quite honestly Marijuana is the safest alternative for pain management there is. None of the side effects or dependency issues we've seen with opiates and other...
Quite honestly Marijuana is the safest alternative for pain management there is. None of the side effects or dependency issues we've seen with opiates and other pain medicines. It's sad to see the inexperience people have with this subject and the views they've developed from that. The research that's being limited by federal law isn't helping either, but when scientific and medical research can be completed on a widespread basis I think what most already know will be clear: It's a safe and effective alternative for pain management as well as a legitimate aid for many medical conditions. The negative stigma associated with it and it's effects come from the uneducated, inexperienced and misinformed.

The most dangerous thing you can do is think behind the times. Hold values and views that are no longer applicable or realistic to current standards and understandings. Information is ever evolving, as should be our knowledge and opinions generated from it.

It's 2016.
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This. I don't condone smoking it, but this is the truth. I've never been a user, but something that has alwsys baffled me is how its...
This. I don't condone smoking it, but this is the truth.

I've never been a user, but something that has alwsys baffled me is how its ok to be a dtunk but pot use is so horrible.
Yeah alcohol is much worse. I live in the center of a town and on thursdays and saturday nights it's full of drunks. I scratched my head a lot of times why I was never caught in some kind of violence when i went out during these times. People turn into yelling animals, some of them get very violent. Not the case with potheads.

Weird thing tho, I live in the Netherlands and never smelled pot ever on a track.

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aFACEdismembered 3/15/2016 9:42am
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Krazyk2774 wrote:
I don't smoke pot anymore, but when I did I found I could focus in closer on whatever task I was doing. Some people on the...
I don't smoke pot anymore, but when I did I found I could focus in closer on whatever task I was doing. Some people on the other hand are just plain dangerous when they are stoned. I don't think you should do it when you are racing with others, save it for when you get home or when you arn't doing anything thst is inherently dangerous. You owe being safe and in control to your moto brothers!
...like a nice hour long trail ride in the middle of nowhere with friends. Stop by a nice water fall for a quick drink and smoke and move on. You'll sweat it out in 20 minutes and you're not endangering others. Besides, who wants cotton mouth while huffing wind on a track anyway?
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I was at a Milestone last Sunday. As we parked and got out of our van, I noticed that the to twenty something year old guys parked next to us (50ft) were taking part in their 420 ritual while getting dressed.

Fast forward to my son out doing a moto and quickly comes up on one of the said stoners, makes a pass and immediately the guy looks over and pins it (very common). I guess he felt like the 10 year old shouldn't go by him so easily and he starts to do everything he can to hang with or re pass my kid. Usually after a few corners they throw in the towel out of self preservation.. but this idiot instead blows off the track narrowly missing a few riders taking a break on the side of the track and wadds himself up.

Usually I hand gesture or throw things at guys being aggressive to a kid, but this time I felt like he made his own bed to lay in.
thrillbillie91 3/15/2016 10:02am
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sorry if double post, seems to have got lost

Didn't seem to slow up fro' in 97/98

sure it was much more part of the lifestyle in the 90's before RC ruined all the fun and people started training hard

don't think it would help with racing, good for some flow at the trails, or mtb

fyi - just say no Silly
aFACEdismembered 3/15/2016 10:02am
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agn5009 wrote:
Exactly. Key word though is "most." Unfortunately some people never grow up. Anyone condoning operating any motor vehicle while under the influence of any controlled substance...
Exactly. Key word though is "most." Unfortunately some people never grow up. Anyone condoning operating any motor vehicle while under the influence of any controlled substance or alcohol is immature. Period. They can argue all they want and try to justify it, but that's the fact. Once you start putting a drug or alcohol over your own life and other peoples' lives that typically means you're an asshole and need to grow up.
I disagree on a simulated and real life basis. I race Sims and I started winning races in my league when I smoked before races. It was a learning experience that helped me understand the mindset to achieve that kind of concentration. More calculated, calmer, more accurate. The same has translated to real life. Racing Sims has made me a better driver period but I'm no worse if I smoke. I'm actually better. Never losing focus on the road, looking up the road, checking my mirrors, staying off my phone, making sure not to follow a car to close, not speeding, always using my blinkers. I don't have the multi tasking ability I do when I'm sober so I simply just can't. I'm forced to drive and only drive. I see plenty of sober assholes endangering lives on the road that care WAY less than I do, sober or not.

But you've already drawn your line in the sand. Don't let the tide wash it away.
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The Rock 3/15/2016 10:03am
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I remember as a kid at the local sand pit track , all the local fast guys always smoked a joint before they rode , I...
I remember as a kid at the local sand pit track , all the local fast guys always smoked a joint before they rode , I was maybe 12 at the time and they would always offer us some . Thank goodness for Nancy Reagan and her DARE program they taught us in school.
Fast guys smoking a joint before they rode doesn't compute. IMO no one concerned about their safety/no one serious about their riding would smoke before the ride.

Now let's look at the Reagans' legacy.

Nancy Reagan Just Say No
Ronald Reagan's illegal support for the contras led to Central America death squads and fueled the exponential increase in cocaine entering the U.S. in the 80s.

https://oig.justice.gov/special/9712/ch01p1.htm

The IG's report cleared the CIA of complicity with the inner-city crack cocaine trade. It refuted charges that CIA officials knew that their Nicaraguan allies were dealing drugs. But, the report said that the CIA, in a number of cases, didn't bother to look into allegations about narcotics And the Hitz report describes how there was little or no direction for CIA operatives when confronted by the rampant traffic in drugs in Central American during the 1980s.

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/drugs/special/cia.html

But remember kids Just Say No to drugs
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I don't smoke pot anymore, but when I did I found I could focus in closer on whatever task I was doing. Some people on the...
I don't smoke pot anymore, but when I did I found I could focus in closer on whatever task I was doing. Some people on the other hand are just plain dangerous when they are stoned. I don't think you should do it when you are racing with others, save it for when you get home or when you arn't doing anything thst is inherently dangerous. You owe being safe and in control to your moto brothers!
aFACEdismembered wrote:
...like a nice hour long trail ride in the middle of nowhere with friends. Stop by a nice water fall for a quick drink and smoke...
...like a nice hour long trail ride in the middle of nowhere with friends. Stop by a nice water fall for a quick drink and smoke and move on. You'll sweat it out in 20 minutes and you're not endangering others. Besides, who wants cotton mouth while huffing wind on a track anyway?
Yep, we used to do that all the time. Stop for lunch, have a puff, then enjoy the meal surrounded by the beauty of the mountains! hardly every ran into anybody else on the trails, and if we did it didn't matter because we were just putting along taking it easy. I always seemed to ride smoother and pick better lines through the rocks after I had a toke. Or at least I thought I could! Lol Didn't matter if I was riding better or not because it was just me who was going to crash if I made a mistake out there. I agree with most others on here, it shouldn't be done while racing with others!
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I've seen it plenty at the races. But I'd usually just get ahead of them and stay there. Saw a guy rip a line before a moto and he went out and demolished the field. Couldn't believe it. Dude was hauling.

Its not my thing, but whatever floats your boat bro.
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Dezerted 3/15/2016 10:21am
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Most here wouldn't give a shit if they saw me throwing back a Bud light in between Motos.In fact I'd bet most would take me up on my offer and throw one or two back with me. As long as I wasn't obviously impaired they wouldn't give it a second thought. Meanwhile I take a toke and the same folks would be up in arms about the danger im putting others in. Huh
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mxb2 3/15/2016 10:31am
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Riding impaired, drugs or alcohol is selfish. Ride by yourself if you want to do that. Nobody will care.
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The Rock 3/15/2016 10:35am
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avidchimp wrote:
Blame W.R. Hearst for the anti-marijuana propaganda back in the day. Hemp (no measurable THC) was a huge threat to his paper business, so he went...
Blame W.R. Hearst for the anti-marijuana propaganda back in the day. Hemp (no measurable THC) was a huge threat to his paper business, so he went after it with all guns blazing.

He did finance/make "Refer Madness" to make the general public fear the refer.
njracer46 wrote:
Don't forget good old harry anslinger
And don't forget Hearst and DuPont were buds. Hemp provides many chemicals naturally that were competition to DuPont's business model
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Silliker269 3/15/2016 10:38am
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Doesn't really bother me , I think its funny ... It affects everybody differently
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agn5009 3/15/2016 10:38am
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agn5009 wrote:
Exactly. Key word though is "most." Unfortunately some people never grow up. Anyone condoning operating any motor vehicle while under the influence of any controlled substance...
Exactly. Key word though is "most." Unfortunately some people never grow up. Anyone condoning operating any motor vehicle while under the influence of any controlled substance or alcohol is immature. Period. They can argue all they want and try to justify it, but that's the fact. Once you start putting a drug or alcohol over your own life and other peoples' lives that typically means you're an asshole and need to grow up.
aFACEdismembered wrote:
I disagree on a simulated and real life basis. I race Sims and I started winning races in my league when I smoked before races. It...
I disagree on a simulated and real life basis. I race Sims and I started winning races in my league when I smoked before races. It was a learning experience that helped me understand the mindset to achieve that kind of concentration. More calculated, calmer, more accurate. The same has translated to real life. Racing Sims has made me a better driver period but I'm no worse if I smoke. I'm actually better. Never losing focus on the road, looking up the road, checking my mirrors, staying off my phone, making sure not to follow a car to close, not speeding, always using my blinkers. I don't have the multi tasking ability I do when I'm sober so I simply just can't. I'm forced to drive and only drive. I see plenty of sober assholes endangering lives on the road that care WAY less than I do, sober or not.

But you've already drawn your line in the sand. Don't let the tide wash it away.
I think you don't seem to understand that marijuana affects people differently. Much like alcohol. Some people become violent while drunk, some are cool as a cucumber. You're only relating yourself to the situation rather than society as a whole. I'm not arguing marijuana shouldn't be legal. I don't care if people smoke it. All I'm arguing is that society, as a whole, should not be aloud to operate while under the influence. It's that simple. You probably are a better driver after smoking it. It doesn't mean the majority are. We can't base all of our laws off of your tolerance.
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agn5009 3/15/2016 10:40am
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mxb2 wrote:
Riding impaired, drugs or alcohol is selfish. Ride by yourself if you want to do that. Nobody will care.
This pretty much sums it up.
thrillbillie91 3/15/2016 10:51am
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It's never going to be classed as performance enhancing racewise, and I could ride safer hammered than the majority of 'intermediate' self classed riders at practice Whistling

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Park Boys 3/15/2016 10:59am
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Pop a addy and rip one singular hit. An Aldon trade secret without the cost.
theinternetkid 3/15/2016 11:17am
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Park Boys wrote:
Pop a addy and rip one singular hit. An Aldon trade secret without the cost.
Just don't forget the T.U.E.!
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yzjs7 3/15/2016 11:29am
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Most people arent informed and their opinions are uneducated. What you have been taught of cannabis is complete garbage and it has many benefits. Can it be abused ofcourse it can,anything can. Do I recommend smoking before moto no, but I know many who do and ride much better than me.If you're a regular smoker it doesnt affect you the same as someone who does it once in a while. Now if i saw someone drinking and riding I would have a problem with that for obvious reasons. But hey everyone has an opinion, I personally say drink your cold one and light your green up after your done riding as moto should be a high enough on its own. Opinions are like brown eyes,everyone has one and it stinks!
mjr119 3/15/2016 11:31am
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aFACEdismembered 3/15/2016 11:31am
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agn5009 wrote:
Exactly. Key word though is "most." Unfortunately some people never grow up. Anyone condoning operating any motor vehicle while under the influence of any controlled substance...
Exactly. Key word though is "most." Unfortunately some people never grow up. Anyone condoning operating any motor vehicle while under the influence of any controlled substance or alcohol is immature. Period. They can argue all they want and try to justify it, but that's the fact. Once you start putting a drug or alcohol over your own life and other peoples' lives that typically means you're an asshole and need to grow up.
aFACEdismembered wrote:
I disagree on a simulated and real life basis. I race Sims and I started winning races in my league when I smoked before races. It...
I disagree on a simulated and real life basis. I race Sims and I started winning races in my league when I smoked before races. It was a learning experience that helped me understand the mindset to achieve that kind of concentration. More calculated, calmer, more accurate. The same has translated to real life. Racing Sims has made me a better driver period but I'm no worse if I smoke. I'm actually better. Never losing focus on the road, looking up the road, checking my mirrors, staying off my phone, making sure not to follow a car to close, not speeding, always using my blinkers. I don't have the multi tasking ability I do when I'm sober so I simply just can't. I'm forced to drive and only drive. I see plenty of sober assholes endangering lives on the road that care WAY less than I do, sober or not.

But you've already drawn your line in the sand. Don't let the tide wash it away.
agn5009 wrote:
I think you don't seem to understand that marijuana affects people differently. Much like alcohol. Some people become violent while drunk, some are cool as a...
I think you don't seem to understand that marijuana affects people differently. Much like alcohol. Some people become violent while drunk, some are cool as a cucumber. You're only relating yourself to the situation rather than society as a whole. I'm not arguing marijuana shouldn't be legal. I don't care if people smoke it. All I'm arguing is that society, as a whole, should not be aloud to operate while under the influence. It's that simple. You probably are a better driver after smoking it. It doesn't mean the majority are. We can't base all of our laws off of your tolerance.
I was responding to the "careless asshole in a murder machine" portion. If everyone is different then everyone is not a careless asshole. But, that's why laws exist to keep the ones who would be a careless asshole to a minimum as much as possible without living in a police state.
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Hey if you are seeing this stuff best you tell the owner of the facility, and if nothing happens there call the cops and ride at...
Hey if you are seeing this stuff best you tell the owner of the facility, and if nothing happens there call the cops and ride at another track.
LMAO... I can see it now. You come back after a practice ride and a cop is in your pits. He says he's there because someone is complaining that you're high.
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NV825 3/15/2016 11:43am
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I have smoked at the track a couple of times, but it was never right before heading out onto the track. It was after my practice/moto had finished and I had a bit of downtime till my next one. No difference than having an after moto beer.

Now trail riding is different, and taking a break at a scenic viewpoint and puffing one with friends before continuing on is great. Big difference is I can go at my own pace while on the trails, which is usually at a more cautious pace so I don't hit boulders or trees.
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mxb2 wrote:
Riding impaired, drugs or alcohol is selfish. Ride by yourself if you want to do that. Nobody will care.
agn5009 wrote:
This pretty much sums it up.
Actually it doesn't accurately sum up the facts. According to the NHTSA (US Gov't):

Unadjusted Odds Ratios Between Drug Class Use and Crash Risk
Drug of Interest Unadjusted Odds Ratio P Value
THC (Marijuana) 1.25 0.01
Sedatives 1.30 0.06
Narcotic Analgesics 1.15 0.26
Antidepressants 1.06 0.75
Stimulants 1.01 0.40
Illegal Drugs 1.21 0.01
Legal Drugs 1.07 0.43

But then added: "Table 4 examines the odds ratios for the same categories
and classes of drugs, adjusted for the demographic variables
of age, gender, and race/ethnicity. This analysis
shows that the significant increased risk of crash involvement
associated with THC and illegal drugs shown in
Table 3 is not found after adjusting for these demographic
variables"

In other words when all is said and done, someone who has smoked pot is no more likely to be in an accident after all variables are considered. Other studies have shown that while weed might slow your fine motor skills the drivers tend to make up for it by focusing more on the task at hand.

The same study found a 400% increase in accidents for drivers with a .08% BAC and a 1200% increase in accidents for those with a .15% BAC.



Source: http://www.nhtsa.gov/Driving+Safety/Research+&+Evaluation/Alcohol+and+D…



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I was gonna ride my dirtbike but I got high,

I was gonna blitz the whoops instead I got high.,,,,,,
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Boarddesign wrote:
I was at a Milestone last Sunday. As we parked and got out of our van, I noticed that the to twenty something year old guys...
I was at a Milestone last Sunday. As we parked and got out of our van, I noticed that the to twenty something year old guys parked next to us (50ft) were taking part in their 420 ritual while getting dressed.

Fast forward to my son out doing a moto and quickly comes up on one of the said stoners, makes a pass and immediately the guy looks over and pins it (very common). I guess he felt like the 10 year old shouldn't go by him so easily and he starts to do everything he can to hang with or re pass my kid. Usually after a few corners they throw in the towel out of self preservation.. but this idiot instead blows off the track narrowly missing a few riders taking a break on the side of the track and wadds himself up.

Usually I hand gesture or throw things at guys being aggressive to a kid, but this time I felt like he made his own bed to lay in.
That guy sounds like a dumbass with or without a 420 break. Just sayin...

Had a guy in a ford cut me off today. I made no assumptions that all Ford owners are assholes.
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Boarddesign wrote:
I was at a Milestone last Sunday. As we parked and got out of our van, I noticed that the to twenty something year old guys...
I was at a Milestone last Sunday. As we parked and got out of our van, I noticed that the to twenty something year old guys parked next to us (50ft) were taking part in their 420 ritual while getting dressed.

Fast forward to my son out doing a moto and quickly comes up on one of the said stoners, makes a pass and immediately the guy looks over and pins it (very common). I guess he felt like the 10 year old shouldn't go by him so easily and he starts to do everything he can to hang with or re pass my kid. Usually after a few corners they throw in the towel out of self preservation.. but this idiot instead blows off the track narrowly missing a few riders taking a break on the side of the track and wadds himself up.

Usually I hand gesture or throw things at guys being aggressive to a kid, but this time I felt like he made his own bed to lay in.
Mini Elsinore wrote:
That guy sounds like a dumbass with or without a 420 break. Just sayin... Had a guy in a ford cut me off today. I made...
That guy sounds like a dumbass with or without a 420 break. Just sayin...

Had a guy in a ford cut me off today. I made no assumptions that all Ford owners are assholes.
How about Ford owners who smoke weed?
aFACEdismembered 3/15/2016 12:31pm
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Speaking of assholes, I wonder what the percentage of people with caffeine in their system during road rage incidents is?

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