What is a quad?

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731chopper 10/12/2015 7:11am
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IWreckALot wrote:
I like it when Vital gets caught up in the minutia. You know damn well what the announcers are talking about when they say quad....
I like it when Vital gets caught up in the minutia. You know damn well what the announcers are talking about when they say quad. . .

Having said that, I prefer this highly intelligent debate more than the GP vs. AMA debate.
It is a pretty silly and frivolous debate but I'm with you, it is 1,000 times better than the Euro vs US drama that seems to plague this forum at times.
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RonSkj wrote:
Would this be a quad or 2 doubles? [img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2015/10/11/107718/s1200_2016_0108_09.jpg[/img]
Would this be a quad or 2 doubles?



Take your time in that section- four singles.
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moto282 10/12/2015 7:27am
10/12/2015 7:27am Edited Date/Time 10/12/2015 7:30am
RCB33 wrote:
How about an extended double table? It sounds cool...
It's just a double. A tabletop is a single jump... one takeoff = one jump. So if I jump two of them it is a double. It doesn't matter if you are jumping over a mountain or two small whoops... If there are only two, it's a double. If you jump one table top would you tell you friends you just doubled that tabletop over there? No.

I don't understand how this has become a thing in recent years.

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grayson432 10/12/2015 7:46am
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zehn wrote:
Instead of thinking about it terms of mounds of dirt, I think of it in terms of safe landing zones, which is why jumping two tables...
Instead of thinking about it terms of mounds of dirt, I think of it in terms of safe landing zones, which is why jumping two tables is considered a quad.
that is not a quad.

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TXDirt 10/12/2015 7:50am
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A quad is 4 mounds of dirt.

A table top is one mound of dirt.

Two table tops is two mounds of dirt.

If I jump 2 table tops that is a double. In no way does 2 ever = 4.

/thread cosed
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IWreckALot 10/12/2015 8:22am
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TXDirt wrote:
A quad is 4 mounds of dirt. A table top is one mound of dirt. Two table tops is two mounds of dirt. If I jump...
A quad is 4 mounds of dirt.

A table top is one mound of dirt.

Two table tops is two mounds of dirt.

If I jump 2 table tops that is a double. In no way does 2 ever = 4.

/thread cosed
I don't care much for anything else you said, but the last line I wouldn't have a problem with.
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RonSkj wrote:
Would this be a quad or 2 doubles? [img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2015/10/11/107718/s1200_2016_0108_09.jpg[/img]
Would this be a quad or 2 doubles?



Im thinking we need a few more pics of these so called quads to make a better decision. Maybe from different angles and positions. I kinda like where this is heading.
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mark_swart 10/12/2015 9:32am
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RonSkj wrote:
Would this be a quad or 2 doubles? [img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2015/10/11/107718/s1200_2016_0108_09.jpg[/img]
Would this be a quad or 2 doubles?



RMT wrote:
Im thinking we need a few more pics of these so called quads to make a better decision. Maybe from different angles and positions. I kinda...
Im thinking we need a few more pics of these so called quads to make a better decision. Maybe from different angles and positions. I kinda like where this is heading.
Clearly a double double, but be careful, somebody's going to 'wad it up' over that one for sure! Woohoo
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mx617 wrote:
None of it matters, it's only based on distance. You can take a table and cut out the middle to make a double, but it could...
None of it matters, it's only based on distance. You can take a table and cut out the middle to make a double, but it could still be ten feet long. Or cut out two pieces to make a triple. Three to make a quad. Etc etc. The sketchinest (sp?) of the jump is based on the distance from lip to landing.
I raced the amateur race the week before the first national at Pala Raceway.
When we raced, the finish line jump was a pretty massive table top.
I would hit it pretty fast knowing that there was little downside to coming up short.

For the pros, they hollowed out the middle of the table and turned it into a massive double that launched the riders probably 60 feet above the ground.

The distance was the same, but the price paid for an error was FAR greater as a double, then as a table.

To call those 2 versions the same jump is insane!

Regardless of what anyone calls them, a table is not a double. Far from it.

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SPYGUY 10/12/2015 12:16pm
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If you only count the takeoff opportunities, wouldn't a tabletop be considered a single?
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I thought we had already decided this one. People like me, who believe that you need four tabletops in a row for it to be a quad are clearly wrong.
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RonSkj wrote:
Would this be a quad or 2 doubles? [img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2015/10/11/107718/s1200_2016_0108_09.jpg[/img]
Would this be a quad or 2 doubles?



RMT wrote:
Im thinking we need a few more pics of these so called quads to make a better decision. Maybe from different angles and positions. I kinda...
Im thinking we need a few more pics of these so called quads to make a better decision. Maybe from different angles and positions. I kinda like where this is heading.
mark_swart wrote:
Clearly a double double, but be careful, somebody's going to 'wad it up' over that one for sure! Woohoo
Like Supercross tracks, clearly this quad is man made.
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40Plus_922mx 10/12/2015 1:45pm
10/12/2015 1:45pm Edited Date/Time 10/12/2015 1:52pm
This has to be looked at from the perspective of execution. Not construction appearance and math.
Here we go. Try and keep up.

A single is one "A" shaped jump. ___A___

A double is two "A" shaped jumps with any kind of gap in the middle. ___A______A___

A triple is three "A" shaped jumps with gaps in between all three jumps. ___A_____A_____A___

A table is two "A" shaped jumps with the middle filled in. A====A

Here is where it gets tricky.

A table is a double with the gap filled in right? So do we call this a single? Do you know anyone who does? Of course not. If anything it would be closer to a double as far as execution goes. But not as far as appearance goes. So the more accurate description of this jump would be a double based on the execution. This is what real racers would call it.

So now when we take a triple then at a table what do we call it? A____A____A=====A

If the landing where after the third theoretical "A" (the beginning of the table) then it would be a triple right. So what do we call this jump when the landing is on the fourth theoretical "A" (the landing of the table) This is a quad as described by guys like Ricky Carmichael, Chad Reed, James Stewart etc. So you gonna say those guys don't know what they are talking about?

Class dismissed.
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RonSkj wrote:
Would this be a quad or 2 doubles? [img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2015/10/11/107718/s1200_2016_0108_09.jpg[/img]
Would this be a quad or 2 doubles?



JLong wrote:
Take your time in that section- four singles.
The slowest way is the best way thru this section?
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40Plus_922mx wrote:
This has to be looked at from the perspective of execution. Not construction appearance and math. Here we go. Try and keep up. A single is...
This has to be looked at from the perspective of execution. Not construction appearance and math.
Here we go. Try and keep up.

A single is one "A" shaped jump. ___A___

A double is two "A" shaped jumps with any kind of gap in the middle. ___A______A___

A triple is three "A" shaped jumps with gaps in between all three jumps. ___A_____A_____A___

A table is two "A" shaped jumps with the middle filled in. A====A

Here is where it gets tricky.

A table is a double with the gap filled in right? So do we call this a single? Do you know anyone who does? Of course not. If anything it would be closer to a double as far as execution goes. But not as far as appearance goes. So the more accurate description of this jump would be a double based on the execution. This is what real racers would call it.

So now when we take a triple then at a table what do we call it? A____A____A=====A

If the landing where after the third theoretical "A" (the beginning of the table) then it would be a triple right. So what do we call this jump when the landing is on the fourth theoretical "A" (the landing of the table) This is a quad as described by guys like Ricky Carmichael, Chad Reed, James Stewart etc. So you gonna say those guys don't know what they are talking about?

Class dismissed.
Reasonable, logical, mathematical, simple, why are you hanging out at vital? Smile
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kkawboy14 10/12/2015 1:50pm
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kkawboy14 wrote:
No way, 2 table tops is more than a double!

So what do we really need to call it? It needs its own name
kongols wrote:
More than one table together is a party.
Haha
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man you guys make things so complicated.... stop it!
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40Plus_922mx wrote:
This has to be looked at from the perspective of execution. Not construction appearance and math. Here we go. Try and keep up. A single is...
This has to be looked at from the perspective of execution. Not construction appearance and math.
Here we go. Try and keep up.

A single is one "A" shaped jump. ___A___

A double is two "A" shaped jumps with any kind of gap in the middle. ___A______A___

A triple is three "A" shaped jumps with gaps in between all three jumps. ___A_____A_____A___

A table is two "A" shaped jumps with the middle filled in. A====A

Here is where it gets tricky.

A table is a double with the gap filled in right? So do we call this a single? Do you know anyone who does? Of course not. If anything it would be closer to a double as far as execution goes. But not as far as appearance goes. So the more accurate description of this jump would be a double based on the execution. This is what real racers would call it.

So now when we take a triple then at a table what do we call it? A____A____A=====A

If the landing where after the third theoretical "A" (the beginning of the table) then it would be a triple right. So what do we call this jump when the landing is on the fourth theoretical "A" (the landing of the table) This is a quad as described by guys like Ricky Carmichael, Chad Reed, James Stewart etc. So you gonna say those guys don't know what they are talking about?

Class dismissed.
kkawboy14 wrote:
Reasonable, logical, mathematical, simple, why are you hanging out at vital? Smile
Sorry, I had a moment of clarity.

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thephoenix 7/7/2018 12:15pm
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kkawboy14 wrote:
No way, 2 table tops is more than a double!

So what do we really need to call it? It needs its own name
We should call it a "double tabletop" - or double for simplicity.

It's the amount of peaks.
Single = 1 jump
Double = 2 jumps
Triple = 3 jumps
Quad = 4 jumps

All with a space between peaks. A table has no space between takeoff and landing.

End of story.
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kkawboy14 wrote:
No way, 2 table tops is more than a double!

So what do we really need to call it? It needs its own name
thephoenix wrote:
We should call it a "double tabletop" - or double for simplicity. It's the amount of peaks. Single = 1 jump Double = 2 jumps Triple...
We should call it a "double tabletop" - or double for simplicity.

It's the amount of peaks.
Single = 1 jump
Double = 2 jumps
Triple = 3 jumps
Quad = 4 jumps

All with a space between peaks. A table has no space between takeoff and landing.

End of story.
This^

Two table tops is still just a double and nothing more, “he doubled those table tops”
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These are what the Chinese call quads



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If a double has two mounds of dirt, its a double. If a triple has three mounds of dirt it's a triple. If you take two doubles, fill the center of said doubles it would still be quad if you quad it. Or does because you put dirt between two doubles and still quad it, your just doubling the said once 4 mounds of dirt?
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I doubled the shit out of that single to flat....

C’mon guys leave your ego at the take off. That is all

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