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Is Bob super opinionated? yes. Does he say what he thinks without reserve? yes. He's a working stiff like most of the rest of us, not a lawyer or a politician.
If everone had 12K to spend on a bike Service Honda would be a decent choice (since Bob in my opinion got them to clean up their act a few years ago). Some guys don't have the money so they pursue another avenue. Some guys like me don't have the welding and fabrication skills but want to get a frame built and then put the rest of the bike together from scratch.
Anyone who rides one of these on a regular basis is ok with me, no matter who built the bike.
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with an agenda and a history of distorting facts , or presenting opinion as fact, or out right lying.
So lets get this straight. This is my opinion,after all i'm not a certified psychiatrist.
Bob Higginson does this for many various reasons, but none of them are actually altruistic in nature.
one of the reasons is mostly ego driven, where any even perceived change (whether real or imagined) made in Service Honda , he claims his personal whining over the years caused to happen. Hence *Bob* did it in his mind.
It might surprise some of you,but Service Honda was in business long before internetbob even found the internet, and I have always taken care of every customer !
Bob certainly did not make me who I am ,or ever influence how i feel a business should be run in any way. My father mostly did , back when I was a little guy. For some random whack job internet poster ,to try and pretend they had anything to do with any action i've ever taken in life, or in my business or ethics , is a disservice to the man that I actually admire.
The other reasons are mostly just sour grapes, Bob called me years ago looking into ordering a Service Honda 500AF, but he wanted to use his various parts he already had..and seeing what could be worked out, price wise, in that regard.
We only build new complete bikes,just like if you bought a CRF450 from any Honda dealer.
So we do not discount off the price of our 500AF bikes, if you have your own handle bars or wheels from previous bike ,
as example.So in essence Bob Higginson couldn't get a discounted price on a 500AF.
He started his long agenda on several forums, and even his own forum ,against Service Honda shortly after that.
It could be unrelated, I just find that an interesting coincidence?
Want to insult my family personally again bob?
You've been known to have done so in the past... and this audience is fresh so your old tricks are not well known yet.
Go ahead take a few shots? my wifes fat? has a tattoo? wears army boots? doesn't have good hygiene? or all her teeth?
Its not like you havn't stooped so low ,or lower, in the past.
Have fun with that!
I don't think most vital forums members are nearly as gullible as you'd imagine them to be.
They know we are a stand up company that makes some of the best off road motorcycles in the world.
He has actually apologized for his rants, at times on the internet
an example here> http://www.thumpertalk.com/topic/467557-a-public-apology-to-ajwaggoner/
but loses that integrity rather regularly as well.
like in this case where he continues to fabricate and present inaccurate opinions as facts
to promote his agenda of discrediting Service Honda in any way possible.
I've illustrated a couple of Bobs complete fabrications in the thread , but no, havn't addressed them all,
its impossible to know where to start, and frankly , it does little good to debate with some one like that.
We are the only company that makes new model CR500AF's, CR250AF's CR125AF's , KX500AF's , KX250AF's KDX200AF's etc and have made the CR500AF longer than Honda made CR500's at this point.
If Alisobob was here at vitalmx out right lying about the actual method of manufacture used(like he has here, in his stubbs comments) in the production FMF or Pro Circuit pipes. I would find him the same category of less than stellar ethics, and random internet whack job, as i do when he does the same to my own firm.
Opinion that one pipe is better than another is one thing.
Stating as fact, that one company uses a method of manufacture that they do not , to discredit them in some way,
is another ball game completely, and truly seems unethical for this forum or any other.
It's exactly one of the many reasons men like Mitch or Donny won't bother posting on forums.
It's a lose- lose for any company responding??
I've wasted far too much time doing so , for something i shouldn't have to.
Any random internet poster can re- position themselves continually anyway they choose by altering the facts , stating opinion as fact, or not being honest with their own motivations or reasons for their rants or agenda's.
I have been a customer and rider out of service honda since 1995 in fact before AJ started working there. I got to know him over the years and know him personally and we are pretty damn good friends.
that said. I have not known to many other people out there with the same effort, drive, and concern he has and does for his customers, and for riders in general with his work with the ama and the district. He has done this for a very long time.
I have raced the A/F 500 and had been some what of the guinea pig on some things. Stuff plain works, some things better then others but overall I beat the shit out of my machines and I don't or never have DNF's due to issues with the bike. EVER>
and i have been on A/F's since 1999.
anyway I can't say other then the crap i read on post boards what is going on and don't give two craps, but when it comes to Service, they are pretty damn good at what they do, and have been always the kind of people who strive to improve thier process all the time.
my opinion for what it's worth.
That said AJ, you can try to discredit me all you want, its no sweat off my balls. The photos speak for themselves. Heres another shot from a older Service Honda bike.
As long as your in the typing mood, explain two things to everyone so its crystal clear, and directly from you.
1. How does stuff like this get out the door. It IS one of your bikes, correct? You made it, correct?
2. What are you going to do about all those first generation CDI units that dont work? You know the ones I'm talking about, the ones you no longer sell. We discussed it before with you taking ZERO action on it. I know one guy with 4 of them ( Jay L. in Yucca Valley) sitting in boxes who was told to go pound sand on the $2,400 he has tied up in them, gathering dust. As long as your into making things right with your customers, make it right with him. Mike S. in San Clemente also has one and he was told the same thing. There are countless others I'm sure.
Step up AJ, take care of these people.
After reading the thinly veiled insults coming from "Bob (Stoffer's PR guy)", it only reinforced in my mind that Service Honda is the way to go. The comments made by "Bob (Stoffer's PR guy)" were such a stretch that it only made Service Honda look like the better option. When you compare Stoffer's PR Guys' dribble to the professional posts made by Service Honda, it's clear which company is more professional and honest.
Mr Stoffer...for you own good, you really need to give this Bob guy his walking papers before he drives the rest of your business away!!!
Pit Row
A good rule of thumb is that one out of 50 satisfied customers will speak out about their experience or purchase, but one out of every two dissatisfied customers will speak out.
The numbers still have you far ahead of the curve.
Good luck ignoring the asshats....
Drop the slams agains AJ and SH Bob. They make a quality product. You say it's over priced. Apparently the market disagrees. It seems they sell pretty much all they can make every year. Stick to MPS for this thread.
What looks to me is the obvious problem there is the loads of people out there that want a SH but can't afford one. So the next step is, "it can't be that hard. It's only welding a few pieces of aluminum in place." Fine, go build your own bikes and help all the people you can to do the same. But leave the slams out. Or at least leave them over at the CR500riders sites.
I agree with rallendude, this is a thread exposing MPS' workmanship. IF Bob and AJ want to go at it some more, lets start a new thread, and AJ can post up pics of his recent work. That's if he wants to, at least he showed up to defend his product. Obviously he believes in it, and he showed more courage than Fanelli did. George had the chance to show up, and ran and hid. What's THAT tell you?
As I said before, if SHs work has gotten better by leaps and bounds, than this can be a great opportunity to put this issue of quality to rest. I've got no dog in that fight, just seems to be reasonable approach.
Simple machined mounts
Nice tubes with radius on corners welded in
Looks OEM
Airbox looks great
Bike is fantastic
This is a garage build. Was not a hell of a lot of custom work, just careful clean fabrication. Building these well is not rocket science. Now that my buddy has done one I am sure the next one would go a heck of a lot easier.
I said the same thing when I finished my portion of the work. Once you've done one, the next one is easier.
Just my thought, but I would have added in the extra portion ala OEM on the bottom mount to spread the load out more on the rails, or just made the original mount longer at the base. Other than that, beauty.
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