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Its more interesting that after all theses years you tend to still spread rumor innuendo and out right misinformation intentionally. It wouldn't possibly be because you are friends with someone trying to compete with SH bikes would it?
You've had a huge axe to grind for a decade,about a product you don't own or care to own, why is any psychiatrist guess?
Overall any company getting into any forum debate ts a no win situation.
We have been making customs bikes since 1998, thousands of units around the world,
and have the reputation for quality that translates into our bikes resale value being the best
for an off road motorcycle of any manufactuer world wide.
That's really the only statement needed.
but i will clear up this fact.
(and I've told you this before on other forums you frequent)
Robbie Maddisons world record 500AF bike,(when he set the 350 some ft record in Australia)
is the same bike he jumped countless times and that he also jumped the football field on ESPN for their Red Bull New Years Eve deal a few years ago.
That world record bike, was ordered by Red Bill per Maddo, as a stock Service Honda 500AF
It had absolutely nothing down to it any different than every other regular customers of that same year and model.
Robbie went on to have it ported and of course suspension work done by his own mech and sponsors.
Then went out and set world records on it.
http://www.worldrecordacademy.com/sports/longest_motorcycle_jump_world_…
https://youtu.be/rjOYKpMeAUk
https://youtu.be/XGmYn24Eq6M
Notice those different jump dates ?
and i barely looked, there are plenty more, plus countless practice jumps..
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Later on Maddo , wanted another 500AF, for a jump over the Corinth Canal.
He wanted white plastics and the the frame powder coated in metallic blue.
It was all very last minute and we did not have time to build one and get it to Greece by the jump date..
but i did have a customer that had ordered two bikes exactly like that, and had canceled one
(this customers wife or son had gotten ill I believe?)
So Robbie (and Red Bull) happily took that one.and jumped the Corinth canal.
On a bike built for just any regular customer,again nothing done special.
https://youtu.be/Rw1fxd_AkIw
Bob Higginson - I'm not anonymous here, and if you want to diss a product by intentional misinformation neither should you or your agenda be, along with your pal paul. .
As often as this happens to you, you might try not opening your mouth so wide and your foot wouldn't fit so easily.
The Shop
Bob, ya' lied about Madison's bike with the intent to deface Service Honda. Flat out. Pretty fucking nasty. Integrity is a huge thing to me. People like you disgust me. Not saying it to be mean. I am saying it because it's the truth.
https://youtu.be/RJTuQrSbAfw
https://youtu.be/PIqrF47v92Q
AJ clearly stated Madison had his own motor and his own suspension on the bike and I have photos somewhere that I was sent of the bike showing that extra gussets were added to the bike. I'll dig them out.
Added up, that equals a custom bike, not a S/H off the show room floor which is what I stated. Theres no lie there.
Regading AJ and Service Honda.... here's what I'm saying in a nutshell.
AJ has been doing it longer than anyone, and Service Honda is the biggest name in the business. You would think that they would have the edge on everyone in regards to quality, innovation, and to keep their "lead" on everyone else.
Nope.
AJ is a hell of a nice guy, I've never heard anyone speak a cross word about him unlike George at MPS.
All I've ever said is that Service Honda should join the 21st centruy and stop hacking them together.
It appears the status quo shall remain .... and thats too bad.
If AJs work has improved huge over the last 3 years, then there is no complaint. I would suggest that MPS' (using some peoples math) has not, and that's what's at issue here. Simply because you disagree with his construction methods does not merit a huge problem. If you don't like the product, don't buy it. Had I seen any of MPS' frame work before I owned the one I have now, this debate would not be taking place. Those red rags were very effective in concealing all the warts on his jobs. I chose not to buy one of AJs bikes based on what I'd seen personally, and some earlier model photos.
Scooter, sorry you got hosed on the frame deal. It seems a common thread among the 500 builders. That Stoffers dude is doing some pretty work. But that is why I chose to go with a Service Honda. Solid reputation for many years of quality bikes.
Pit Row
Apparently NOW, though, I get to sit back and watch the fur fly. Oh boy. Someone post up the Picard and Number 1 double face palm shot for me? Lol.
Alisobob it appears you have some weird axe to grind, and some goofy ideas,.
its the internet, that kind of thing is pretty common.
I clearly stated he had the engine, the stock one we put in , ported.
Porting is hardly something special?
do you not think we offer most any customer porting by whomever they want?
Robbies bike was ported by Pro Circuit I believe, but it could have been another source.
we 'd offer that as well.and suspension work
There was nothing particularly special about Maddos bike that wouldn't be done to any CRF450 he jumped.
On the Corinth canal bike, it again was stock other than powder coated.
Trigger Gums world record bike as well. a stocker other than porting or suspension work, that's pretty typical for a world record attempt.
Ryan Capes bike also , Deegans bike, Mike Metzgers, Scott Murrays.
We have built thousands of 500AF's 250AF's 125AF's etc, yet some random internet poster knows more about how we make them or what is done tio the Pros bikes specifically??
You seem to think you can make up anything on the internet for the audience, and make it reality.
Another miss representation and out right falsehood.
The cradle is completely replaced ,there are no stubbs ,on any CRF250R based Service Honda 500AF and there has never been.
Opinions are one thing, outright lying about the way a product is made, is something you should have the integrity to avoid.
I'll leave you to your opinion, on all products across the world, the world according to *bob*
Maybe I'm more of a 'sleeper' fan. What I mean is that appearance means little, and I'd rather have more function than flash. With a dirt bike, I have even less interest in aesthetics. Hell, the only thing I see is the front fender when I get sloppy or tired riding and stop looking forward like I should.
Now, I'm not saying MPS did a good job. Just the simple fact that you had to grind things away to get the engine to fit is adequate to be rightfully pissed off. I'm just trying to separate aesthetics from function in this thread. A weld with a bunch of undercut or inclusions is one thing...but lacking freeze lines may not matter. Not sure what you saw from the SH bike that turned you off so much. Hell, you might've told me but with all of the discussion that's transpired in this thread I've forgotten...lol.
The SH welds and construction looked average, and I just didn't like the construction, for the price. I also already had two complete bikes, and lacked the 12G US to buy a whole bike. Which I didn't need.
The MPS welds looked structurally ok, except you had to grind half of them away to get your engine to fit, and that created stress risers in that area. Did you actually assemble that frame and ride that thing?
Scooter, the saving the world rhetoric is nauseating you're just grinding an axe.
But you riding it tells me you're nuts. After grinding away over half of the welds on some of those mounts, I'd keep a damn close eye on it. A bike coming apart on you on the track probably isn't the best experience.
On that note, like AJ says, it appears Bob-o has a hidden agenda, even though he says he dosen't. Why else would anyone trash a guys work who in the same sentence he says is a great guy? I can see him being upset if, like Scooter, Bob-o had an issue with a bike he owned or bought from a builder, but he dosen't. it appears he's trying to discredit SHs work and pump up someone else's (his own?).
So which is it Bob-o, you buy some pile and want to blame someone, or are you trying to compete for sales? It must be one or the other, otherwise it makes no sense.
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