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lol, just because a country makes stuff that companies in the US can’t or don’t want to doesn’t mean they are taking advantage of the US. It’s unbelievable that people believe we are subsidizing Canada because we buy stuff from them 🤦♂️
Tariffs are simply tools—neither good nor bad. Like all tools in the toolbox of life, it's how we use them that defines their outcome. Some use tools to create, others to destroy. In the end, what we choose is what we create.
Fear builds walls. Vision builds bridges.
The path we build reflects the hands that built it.
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We are far to reliant on Chinese crap. They literally steal IP and close their economy to outside fair trade. Chinese workers are already feeling the pinch of slower production and they don't like it. Tariffs can level a playing field and also spur production in this country (which we need and has no downside). I am willing to let this play out for a while yet. Sitting on your hands, like has been done for decades, has damaged this country's production ability by sending a lot of manufacturing overseas and south.
China has abused so called "free" trade to offer lower prices and put manufacturers outside of China out of business. China has manipulated their currency, in some cases used actual slave labor, little to no environmental regulations, free loans and subsidization to Chinese companies, blocked foreign companies operating in China without a joint venture, etc. All of these make them more "competitive". These lower prices have hidden inflation caused by US deficit spending. US wages have not kept up with real inflation for decades despite losing the so called low pay manufacturing jobs. We need those jobs in part because not everyone can code or engineer or be a doctor.
You really don't want a bunch of unemployed people around with nothing to do and no hope of a better future they can work towards. That is how bloody revolutions are formed. One reason people don't want to work is because wages have been so degraded by inflation the last 50 years. For a lot of people it no longer makes sense to work 40-60 hours a week because doing that doesn't get them ahead in life. The wages are too low. They can't buy a house or start a family. Might as well live in mom and dad's basement and work part time at Starbucks.
Tariffs absolutely increase costs for companies manufacturing products overseas. Many of those companies will have to reduce prices to continue selling at volume. Anyone that doesn't understand that doesn't understand basic economics. If the consumer will absorb price increases due to tariffs the company was selling things too cheaply to begin with.
The problem is instead of being a producer, we are now a consumer country. This brings down our wealth as a whole. When you take raw materials and produce something, your wealth goes up. On the other hand we you purchase something already produced from another country, the value goes down as soon as it is put in use. Then our wealth goes down because it leaves the country. There has to be a balance. Will the tariffs do that, who knows at this point? On the front side we will feel the sting, but maybe (yes maybe, not sure) it gets better. Time will tell.
Democrat logic is we would rather help the CCP continue to exploit it's people and the rest of the world with nearly no safety, health and environmental regulations. Vote to shutdown refineries, vote to shutdown oil drilling. Then vote for nothing but regulation and employee benefits in the USA . Lastly, making the argument that it's too expensive to do here and we rely on these countries for XY and Z. I wonder why.
China's exports to the US last year were 2.8% of their GDP, only some of the Chinese workers will feel the pinch.
People seem to overlook the types of jobs and who will be doing those jobs if the manufacturing were to move to the US. These aren’t 70k a year with benefits careers. These are $40k with long hours and monotonous work. Americans are spoiled and will not get in line for these jobs if they are at some point increased.
As for tariffs I ship my products worldwide every week.
On a ebay sale the buyer was in Canada and eBay’s international shipping took a few weeks and then he freaked out when he was whacked with a $50 import fee. There has always been a import charge for Canadians but of course He hit me with a negative for it when it is not something that I had done.
I think the Tariffs are a great thing. for way to long America has gotten screwed. I grew up near Bridgeport CT and this was a manufacturing Hub for the world. A company that comes to mind is Bridgeport Machine all of you know of a bridgeport milling machine and I remember going to the auction this building was so big it was its own city and sitting in a part of the shop was China made shit. I was sick to my stomach all because Clinton sold us down the tubes. So I am pleased to see this happening I manufacture parts all made in America and I have to say it feels great. Sure there will be some pain but shit we all race and know all about pain and its only temporary
If the feds could cut off 95% of the bullshit assistance, these people would have line up for the jobs. Everyone can't be a brain surgeon making $800k a year, so they better get used to actually working. I know of many people who are between 25-45 (prime working years) and are on this disability BS bandwagon because they have anxiety, depression or whateverthefuckelse problem and "can't" work. For all I care they can starve.
Whose logic would it be to exploit our own people then?
https://www.legion.org/information-center/news/veterans-healthcare/2025/march/83000-va-workers-targeted-for-layoffs-by-august "Veterans, who are given preference in hiring, make up about one-third of federal employees."
Not sure why you think there needs to be a line in the sand on these issues when clearly both sides have shitty execution of policies.
Theres only one problem with that. China doesn't give a damn about laws pertaining to Intellectual Property. So, anything we come up with, they will literally copy as well as they can (sometimes perfectly) and then sell it at a lower cost. We can't rely only on IP because it relies on good faith actors to not steal it, and we are not dealing with a country who acts in good faith.
This is true of many countries, not just China.
IP/Patents are on a country by country basis. Just because you have a patent (design or utility) in the USA, any other country could manufacture an identical design, and sell in the rest of the world without fear of repercussion.
The problem is, they’re being sold here as well in some cases.
More production in this country does have a downside - higher prices for consumers.
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The United States is the #2 manufacturing country in the world.
https://data.worldbank.org/indicator/NV.IND.MANF.CD?most_recent_value_d…
Exactly.
I don't like working in the food industry. But if I had limited job options and had to choose between factory and waiter, I would still rather work as a waiter than work in a factory on an assembly line. I spent 2 days doing that when I was younger. Those were 2 very boring days.
Here is the flip side:
The United States imports the most goods globally. Following closely are China and Germany. The US has a global import share of 13.2%, followed by China with 10.6%.
We import the most food because we are a large population and a rich (in international terms) population. We can afford to have strawberries in December by importing them from the southern hemisphere.
We are also the largest exporter of food.
These are good things! All food cannot be grown well in all parts of the world at all times of the year. International trade of food can provide abundance year round.
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Truth.
But…sadly…
All that gets thrown out the window by people that’re already losing their shit over the idea that all the Chinese shit they buy might cost more…
Ohhhh…The Outrage! 🤣
Quality also generally goes down...way down. parts availabilty goes down...way down. So, you'd rather pay the Chinese, who change their tooling every 250,000 units and have questionable quality, than pay an American company, who changes tooling twice as often, has far superior quality, and has far fewer rejected parts? A lot of Americans lost their jobs due to American companies moving out. I bet if you spoke to any of those people, you'd want to buy American and support this country. Maybe some day your company will shift over seas to save pennies on the dollar and put you on the UE line. You lose manuf jobs and your country is weaker...period.
One thing that I would have liked to see happen would be to do a better job of protecting the IP of US and other countries. That is a BIG thing hurting US manufacturers. I think that getting a handle on that would help a ton. And would be easier to gain support, and show the negative impacts.
I think that a lot of stuff will be automated. Lots of jobs for robots. And supposedly construction jobs to build the new factories. Right now there are already millions of open, good paying construction jobs. That would pay better and have better benefits than most factory manufacturing jobs would. Like I have posted before, most of my customers who own construction companies are unable to grow. Not because of a lack of work, but a lack of workers to do that work.
I'm sure that perhaps some of the manufacturing jobs may be paying decently. But most will likely be minimum wage. And very boring . I have worked at a factory before. My Dad worked at a factory his entire life ( other than when he was drafted during Vietnam) . My dad was able to work into more of a management level and at one point had a couple hundred people working under him. He started off at a whopping $0.75 per hour plus bonuses for higher production ( min wage at the time). Funny thing, I worked there as a teenager and there was maybe 6 people , not including the owner, who were US born. Most people there did not speak English as their main language .
In the end they ended up selling out to another company . Part of the deal was they had to provide anybody who wanted to stay on, with a job for X amount of time. My Dad had worked there for 60 years at the time and decided he wanted to retire. They took most of the workers and still outsourced most of the work to China. Because of cost , but also because it was so difficult to find people wanting to work at a factory. Decades of teachers drilling it into kids heads that "You need to stay in school so You do not end up at a factory job for the rest of Your life" , has made it difficult , at least in my area , to employ workers at a factory. My Dad was able to provide for us, a family of 3 kids, an ex wife with another 3 kids , and my mom stayed at home for a while. But he worked 100+ hours a week for a long time.
I make stuff here in the US, with US made materials for anything that is possible to get here. I would love to see more made here. I just feel like the way things are being done is unlikely to do that on a long-term basis. I would love to be wrong. But I just don't see it possible to happen fast enough to work. I bet that we will see some companies make promises to build. And then when the next election cycle comes around, things will change and nothing or very little will end up really happening.
Realistically , building a big factory from raw land would take years. Just the planning and permitting can take a couple years. Build the building out, get the robots and machines to make stuff, train the workers. And keep in mind that 2026 models are going to be showing up soon. Meaning they are starting to build 2027 models. With parts that were often made years ago. Try opening up a new power tool, and look at the components inside and You'll see how far back stuff starts being made. If any "new" factories open up in the next couple years, they were likely already planned to be built. Any factory that is going to be built on raw land, is years away from producing. Say 4 or so years to get a factory up and running from nothing. That would mean they would be making products to be sold 5 or 6 years from now. And that would be a very fast timeline.
There is a new retail store going in beside my shop, they cleared the land a year or more ago, they bought the land in late 2019. It took a couple years to go through the process of permitting and approvals, etc. And they are still far from being open. I think they would be happy to open by the end of the summer, or early 2026. It is a marihuana grow and retail shop. So permitting may have been a bit more involved. But any giant factory is going to have a similar amount of pushback from the local community to a degree. Like the $1B dollar Casino and waterpark that has been trying to be built on the property to the other side of me. That has been going on for almost a decade. It will bring a lot of jobs and money into the area. But also has negatives. And funny thing, I dug into the financing of the place and there is a single Asian company who has Financed every Casino that is Native owned in the US.
To the people who think I just dislike Trump, A customer of mine is friends with one of the sons. And they ride with him. Trump has done some things that benefited me. He blocked that Casino from being built next door. SO I still have 40 plus acres of woods next door instead of a giant glass and metal building. Some of the things he has done benefited me financially too. I'm not a "hater". I'm just able to see the bad he has done as well as the good. And right now , it just seems crazy. Nothing like the first time he was president.
The flaw in all of this is the wages for 99.9% of all Americans haven't even come close to keeping up with inflation. Why? Because the very companies that shipped all of those jobs over-seas flooded the market with cheap shit that masked the fact we were getting fucked with no lube.
This is just another cash grab by mega-corporations and the government. There is zero incentive for them to ever bring manufacturing jobs back to the mainland because nobody could afford what was being sold.
This is a tax on the people of this country, plain and simple.
Yes, most companies are susceptible to going out of business due to improvements in technology, change in consumer taste, offshoring, etc.
But when companies go out of business because somebody else found a way to do something cheaper (either through technology or offshoring), it makes the country richer.
Yeah, people making $19/hr at friggin McD's isn't keeping up with inflation. Gimme a fkng break. Inflation got friggin cookoo because the economy was flooded with money by Pres Dipshit and his party trying to buy votes, closing down "NE" small businesses during covid to try and control the economy. That big fat sh*t sammich we're still swallowing.
Well again, ok should I have said he dislikes the Tariffs the way they have been put in place ? And thinks they can be used as a tool, but not the way they are being put in place now. I guess its just perspective, You are looking at the part he says he likes or thinks that Tariffs can be good, but ignoring that he feels like the way they are being put in place now is not the correct way to use them. Its not really correcting anything I said. Had the Tariffs been put into place in a different way, he may have agreed with them. But as it is, He thinks they are bad. And has called the person who has been advising Trump on tariffs some bad names.
Two years is not enough time to bring NEW factories and manufacturing to the US. Perhaps some old factories may be able to start back up. But even then they may have to perform renovations to meet current building and safety standards. Around me, old buildings are often torn down because its cheaper and faster to start from a new building built to the new codes.
I honestly hope I'm wrong and that everything turns out amazing and more people do better.
I just see all of the people around Trump being reactive to the decisions he makes, and to me it makes it look like there is NO plan. Just people trying to make sense of it after he makes stuff happen. It seems like either only Trump knows the plan, or there is no plan. That along with knowing how far in advance things are made, as well as knowing how long it can take to build a commercial building, gives me the doubts I have.
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