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Worse than NYC?
Take a leisurely stroll around San Fran some time...or LA...or any large inner city run by...well, you get my drift. .
There has never been a successful American dirt bike.
Correct. Every one was a collosal pile of crap. But...don't buy a Chinese bike they say. Hell, any American made MX bike makes the Kove seem like a work of art.
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Then there are the political prisoners who are used as organ donors.
South Minneapolis is now called “New Mogadishu “.
Pooping on sidewalks or the streets is normal. Its their culture.
I do work up there and it is disgusting.
There is a book about Apple and how they are pretty much responsible for the China's ability to manufacturer high end electronics. They have spent billions of dollars training workers over in China. Earlier on Apple was jumping around from one factory to another and the factories would go out of business after Apple left. The Chinese government wasn't happy about that and some other things. So as a result Apple started to require any factory they had making stuff for them to get an equal sized contract with another company. So that way they were not totally relying on Apple. There is a book that goes way deeper into ti. But pretty much Apple spent a ton training workers and helping guide the factory owners to grow too. And as a result there is a lot of knowledge about electronics manufacturing.
I haven't looked at the current wages over in China recently. But last I looked they were 3 to 4 times lower than what a similar job in the US would pay. Labor being that much cheaper, along with less environmental restrictions and other things that benefit the factories over the workers results in a better made product being able to be made and still cost less.
Look at DJI, insta360, leaders in their industries better and cheaper.
And the smog in your big cities dont!
Yes, ive heard about the Guantanamo Bay.
It may be Chinese junk but, if you're going to say it's copying something it looks like a DRZ400 with a different cylinder head.
If Kove delivers 2 450s this week to my house, ill ride it at Lorettas in a few weeks. Its got KYB atleast.
On a real note, I did see one at the regional at Lincoln trail a few weeks ago. Seemed to pull pretty good anyhow! Looked a little heavy and reminded me of a Cannondale in the style department..
Kaw was first with front disc, and first with rear disc.
I suppose you wouldn't want to purchase anything produced domestically then...
"from a democratic nation"
Both political parties in the USA have claimed the Federal elections were fraudulent and un-democratic.
"nation that does not threaten and harass its neighbors"
The USA has been threatening Canada with annexation and invasion, along with Greenland.
"lock up its citizens"
The USA has more people locked up in prisons than any other country in earth and is only behind El Salvador, Cuba, Turkmenistan and Rwanda in per capital incarnation rates.
So if a Kove Rep showed up on your front porch while you're enjoying a cold beer after mowing the lawn and says, we will give you two bikes for this racing season at no charge. Whatcha do?
I'd be a bit worried about how far they had lowered their standards for sponsored riders if they started giving bikes to the guy drinking beer on the porch.
🤣🤣🤣! So is that a yes or a no?
I mean I’d never by an American made bike… but I don’t based purchases off a street popping standard whether it does or doesn’t apply…
you could continue many lines of attack on China...
"from a country that doesn't spy on thier citizens"
See, Bush, see Trump, see tech oligarchy now THE government.
"From a country that doesn't suppress it population"
ICE murdering people in the street and exporting citizens to countries they've never been.
"from a country that doesn't abuse human rights"
See USA detention centre, hiding deaths in them, and deporting people to human rights violating prisons...
"From a country that doesn't infringe copyright"
See Amazon, stealing designs to sell 'amazon basics' and Trump decapitating the department to enforce it... State sanctioned IP theft.
you could just go on and on and on... But when facts hurt people feelings their only coming 'urrr durr yurrr gurrrttt TurDureSs'
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American, or Chinese Beer?
Hold my beer
you get hung up on the copying. Whereas i was stating that everyone of those manufacturers has brought some inoovation to their bikes along the way. Sure they copy things here and there, but they also bring something new to the table. It is a give and take. In the grand scheme of things it seems to be more as a collaborative effort to continue bike development. Thats my point.
also some innovation is bad of course. like someone mentioned BMW or cannondale. But thats part of the development game.
break down the price of a lets say crf450r. i am curious.
Ask Yourself this, Are you more likely to purchase a Chinese bike from a BRAND NEW manufacturer that looks like it may take some of its design from proven bikes( Honda/ Yamaha/ KTM) ? Or something that has some sort of major change that is very different ( BMW, Cannondale )?
BMW and Cannondale . They both shot for the fences and failed miserably. While Yamaha took concepts from Cannondale and built a solid motor.
People are catuos enough to buy something that is wildly different from established brands in its first model year, So it makes sense to start out with something that is not trying to reinvent the wheel on their first try.
Many were saying the Triumph has a lot of KTM dna in it. And were calling it a KTM copy. Early reports had them talking about reengineering a KTM , etc. And that was looked at as a good thing by many.
I personally think that the way some of these Chinese made bikes are basing their designs on proven other designs to start out makes more sense than trying to build something wildly different.
They know that the stigma exists and that they need to meet a price point. So in my opinion the best way for them to break into the market is put together a bike that is a solid reliable alternative that is almost as good or as good , but a couple grand less. Then build on that and as they get people to trust the brand , come out with new ideas. I've learned that there are a lot of people afraid of anything that is too new. So if Your going to make something drastically different, You need to make sure you are making something that will be drastically better in every way. And if You can not do that, its better to stay closer to proven ways of doing stuff. The risk of failure can be higher when doing something that is too different. Failing either structurally or just unable to gain support of customers.
Some of the Chinese bikes use old engine designs that have expired patents. So it's not always as unethical as people think it is. I would bet that the bikes they copy the most often, are copied because they have made the parts for the real versions. I've heard of China buying old tooling from the manufactures themselves. Not saying that there hasn't been an issue with IP theft , but its not as rampant as You may think.
A customer of mine owned one of the biggest scooter manufacturers in china. I think it was 2nd or 3rd largest . And the Chinese people running the factory for him tried to steal it from him. The US government got involved and in the end he ended up selling it to the people that tried stealing it. It's a VERY sore subject and I was told by his kid to NEVER bring it up around his Dad or uncles. So I only have second hand info. So there is a lot of sketchy stuff going on over there. I'm not saying they are all great ,ethical people, or that they are all thieves.
I think that electric bikes will be where China really shines. They have some badass electric cars. and I really think that if Kove takes off and is able to sell bikes that as they are able to develop a solid chassis they will eventually come out with an electric version that will be one of the best out there and if done right, share some components across a line of other EV's and be able to be sold for much less than they are now.
I don't doubt that they couldn't make a bike that is as good as any other right now. But the cost would be similar too. People talk about discounts on established brands. What makes you think that Kove will never have incentives? All of a sudden that $8k bike could be $6k . Or who knows. Its cool to see that they want to go racing and it makes me think they may be serious about building a competitive bike. Otherwise why go and race it at that level? Not qualifying or finishing last , DNF's would only hurt the brand. I guess it could still be valuable R&D. But expensive .
We dont have a civilization, or a society. That ended years ago.
We have an animal kingdom.
The ZXmoto 250 will be around $4500
Thats the price in China at the current exchange rate, EU/US retail price should be closer to 7k.
https://www.cycleworld.com/motorcycle-news/worldssp-winning-zxmoto-reveals-mx250-off-roader/
Ah that makes more sense
LOL, are you a BOT?
Google it….
You need to move.
My city is just fine
That bike looks like it might be pretty good. I put one in a cart to see if it would allow me to check out with a US address and what the shipping fees would be. But it wouldn't allow me to get past putting my info in. Shows a price just under $6k which would be amazing if they could have them in peoples hands in the US for that. But shipping and tariffs' etc. I attached 2 screen shots to show the full listed specs.
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