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I don't know who needs to hear this, but come on boys. Fast tracks under 50 seconds and triple crown formats simply do not work. Who is in charge of these decisions? This stuff is simple, the riders have repeatedly said the same thing over and over and yet here we are with a fast pace track, on a triple crown format for it to get burned up by laps.
Slower tracks, less laps, less maintenance. Less dirt, less track obstacles equals a 450 going wide open and big accidents.
9 Whoops for the love of God. Change it to a different amount so they can't just got 3, 3, 3 jumping.
Not hard stuff here folks. How is it that Mcgrath and co had more difficult tracks, with less quality equipment, and we have regressed.
I can't wait for outdoors
They simplified the track anticipating rain.
As I watch friese on the bubble 🙂
I understand that, it still applies. I have been in this sport for 30 years. If they simplified it for rain, they should change the entire format to one main event. Again, not the smartest bunch running the show.
Track is dusty now.
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Not that there isn't room for improvement, but the bikes being too good is the real root of the problem. Given the footprint they're working with there's just not much you can do that's going to slow these bikes down. They'll just end up launching things if you try.
Injuries, lap times, tracks.... all of it..... not going to get better until they slow the bikes down. Every motorsport goes through it but seems like it's a total non starter in this one.
If they're married to 250 and 450 they could at least adopt sound regulations that are borderline extreme and start to calm it down that way, with the added benefit of sound being less of an issue for tracks.
At the very least, Triple Crown tracks should not be sub 50 sec.
I thought the racing was pretty good today and I don't think I heard any riders saying the track was beyond beat up either.
The majority of the stadium floors do not allow enough track length to get 1 minute lap times. Anaheim and Glendale are the only two currently on the circuit with lap times over 1 minute without adding gimmicks like walls, s turns, and narrowing the track lanes. It takes a Supercross bike about 7 seconds to go from one end zone to another with all the obstacles we can throw at them, multiply that by 7 lanes. Six the long way, end zone to end zone, and one short way and you get a 49 second lap. More corners slow them down, but make passing less likely. Anaheim 2 had 9 medium to long straights for a longer than 1 minute lap time.
All of the modern football and soccer stadiums they go to are smaller floor areas because the new stadium designs brought the stands closer to the playing surface than the old multi sports stadiums of the 1960/70s. The Qualcomm Stadiums, Oakland Coliseum, Houston Astrodome, Seattle Kingdom, Pontiac Silverdome, Superdome, Metrodome, all had bigger floor areas with more sideline area that allowed for a longer track lengths because they had moveable grand stands to switch from baseball to football layouts. St Louis can still move the stands back like they did for the SMX race, but they would rather sell the seat if possible. Baseball fields for the most part have larger floor areas and smaller grandstands, but for the most part we are racing in baseball season.
it’s a venue problem. The tracks can not just just be longer without significantly changing Supercross by narrowing the track widths from 20’ to less than 15’ to gain enough room for 2 more track lanes on a football field area.
Exactly this. What else can be done with 14 football stadiums in a season? The series needs bigger floor space.
More baseball stadiums. More track & field stadiums like the LA Coliseum. Speedways like Bristol & Martinsville.
The shortest laptimes are better for triple crown rounds because we get 16 laps per moto rather than 26 laps for one.
49 second laptimes and 22 riders doesn't work, even for 16 laps.
Leave the track guys out of this. They build off the plans they are given. They also make adjustments the week prior to make everything possible when circumstances change. I don’t think there is another crew in the entire world that could do what they do.
When you watch old races from the early nineties, you see that they have quite a few obstacles which slow them down dramatically. I do not understand why they make the tracks even more fluid in the 4 stroke age? Just give them some obstacles they cannot jump or really slow them down dramatically. I don’t think this is rocket science.
We need to get away from the spec tracks. All the 3 5 3s are the same size and distance each week. What happened to being unique
I'd like to see replicas of years past races.
Give them a true to life 2009 pastrana track and see how they handle it.
Hard to race in baseball stadiums once baseball has started
The tracks so cookie cutte now. Not unique at all. Pretty sure it isn't Dirt Wurx fault though. As others have said they're just working off a plan. All the tracks are the same. Even riders have mentioned this. Jumps sizes, heights, lengths etc are all measure to be the same now. You might get a "quad" here and there. The only challenge now is the dirt.
It's definitely not as exciting as it used to be. They need to do something to mix it up.
Have they ever had the start run along the wall? Or the whoops on the end? Or the finish line being the triple? Or having the rhythms have odd gaps? Or a sand section in the middle of rhythm. Something. But the tracks are beyond boring. How many times can we double over the start turn into a double triple or triple out of turn onto a table. And can we get rid of the 90 degree turns that cross in front of the mechanics not one person has ever taken the outside. It's like the city changes but the tracks dont. I love A1 because tracks usually unique. Same with Arizona. After that it starts losing excitement.
I dont know if it was the build, the dirt, or the weather conditions but there were a lot of sections of the track yesterday that guys were really struggling to get clean. It was kind of was a gift to the leaders that they could ride their own race and focus on nailing those sections but the battles behind were better because of it.
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Exactly, we have plenty of great examples of what does and does not work. Just head scratching decisions.
Thanks for this KC, very informative. You're doing a much better job than the moto 'media'...
I enjoy Weege in the booth, but his view of the sport’s fanbase and overall belittling of the fans is getting really old. Like someone else said on another thread, he wanted to call the fans idiots for the MAV TV deal, but the same guy has been in the industry for 20 years and can’t tighten the chain on his bike or doesn’t know what a T-Handle is.
ok guys we have a new rule for 2027. Motorcycle can only have 1st gear to slow everyone down.
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