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The turning point of limegate really changed the landscape of Supercross. The track breaking down and being this rough has changed this facet of the sport so much.
Maybe it’s safer. Maybe it’s not. It could create separation and slower speeds, but it couldn’t be tougher to ride for these guys, which they’re professionals i understand.
I think there’s a big gap to close in that regard, but we also have very good racing week to week. I understand it’s not dirt works problem, and nobody is at fault necessarily but I’d love to see whoops without a 3 foot v and 8 ruts in every corner
Time to reconsider artificial whoops again?
They misused lime once, and quit using it. Used correctly it is safe and works for what it is intended to do, like a chainsaw, insecticide, or motorcycles themselves. A sheeps foot compactor would help as well.
At the very least they should use lyme in all covered stadiums where there’s no chance of a mudder.
I agree and miss the days of non uber rutted SX tracks
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Go watch the mid 2010’s. Far less ruts then now.
Someone on here had a very astute point that the soil for these tracks being stored year after year is causing the soil to break down because of a lack of organic matter composting itself. When you have organic matter breaking down it can act as a glue for the soil and hold it together.
That’s atleast how I understood it. But I also agree just bring back lime and use it properly.
Dont the rocks being left do that?
god I hope this is a troll but I honestly cant tell in this place anymore.
I recently thought about how limegate plus 20 minute mains changed supercross for the better.
Lime works really good for things like under bed for road building to help freezing etc………works good for outhouses too!
My guess they were using it all this time with disregard to any OSHA or enviro regulation and when San Diego happened a whole lot of their lawyers informed them to never use it again.
"Respiratory Protection: Because lime is a known irritant, OSHA requires employers to monitor dust levels. If the lime dust exceeds permissible exposure limits (PEL), the facility must provide respirators and engineering controls (like high-volume HEPA filtration)."
I could see that 100%.
I think riders were threatening to sue or were suing as well. Feld may have even given settlements out to some with NDA’s. I can’t prove it but I’ve heard tell of it.
Riders and teams both sued the shit out of Feld which is why we will never see them use that drying agent again.
I don’t know if anyone has heard, or can say anything due to NDAs, but did the lawsuits go beyond ruined bikes and some medical bills?
If they did, and riders got fat payouts, I can see where Feld would draw a hard line. It’s a stupid hard line, the way lime was used in SD was totally wrong and beyond comprehension, they might as well thrown full bags at the riders, but in a courtroom nothing really has to make sense.
It’s a shame, lime used correctly could make the tracks better with no safety issues..
In the Teens riders where not using paddle tires, plus the suspension is getting better all the time keeping the tires on the ground more letting those paddle tires eat.
One thing for sure, ruts are making their way to local tracks. Don't get me wrong a nice rut berm is a blast, but when they drench the track and plow it 3 feet deep on the entire track it sucks. Lots of chest thumpers will want to argue about it and tracks even brag about their ruts, but they can have them. I had a pro license in the 80s, but can't imagine the skill it takes these days to do the rhythms and whoops in SX with deep ruts on the faces. It makes the racing worse when they can't change lines and have to follow the leader if they get in the same rut. Rant over, sorry not sorry.
Feld made a cash offer, 5k with an nda, just about every privateer took it. A few factory guys got more because they hired lawyers, but it’s all protected so no one will ever have a real answer on what factory guys got what. I know Roczen talked about suing because it effected him badly. I saw some pictures, it was bad for some guys.
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You mean they misused like once out of 100’s of races. Then everybody else, teams, riders and fans lost their minds and went crazy on social media over it and now lime isn’t used. Sounds like everything anymore, overreaction.
100% agree with you.
Everybody’s training for LL bro.
Agreed, Rut-o-cross sucks.
Spec on knobs fixes the issue tomorrow.
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They didn't use it any other way as before as I understood it? The heavy rain covered places where it was used and caused it to be floating around splashing up on riders. Maybe whoops that became mud puddle?
Just a coincidence it hasn't happen before I think. But probably they were also cheating on air quality when it was dusty affecting riders and workers. So they just shut it down completely when everyone started looking at it more carefully.
Lime is and has been used to stabilize soil for thousands of years dating back to ancient Asia. It still is a standard practice that has methods of use documented and ways of misuse not allowed. The dust particulate limits mentioned earlier also coincide with dust particulate of a lot of things even plain dirt. Silicosis is a very real thing. But millions of people have handled lime for thousands of years without harming anyone. That the Supercross series can fuck that up should surprise nobody. The lack of using lime, the lack of using proper compaction equipment, the "nine whoop" rule, the metal starting grate, are all things they are doing to save every last penny they can and still have a show. I have been watching this sport since the seventies, the lack of dirt they are using now is readily apparent as well. It is all about saving money, they do not give shit one about safety.
To the best of my knowledge, they were pouring bags of it into standing water.
Ouch 😳
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