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Just penalize the shit heads that cause the problems week after week after week. Don't need new rules or ideas or less guys on the gate, just need to crush the repeat offenders. Suspend them for a few races and it hurts them, their team, their sponsors, and there might finally be motivation to change or to no longer hire these guys. It's embarrassing that our sanctioning body is docking guys positions for spinning their tire in the rut on practice starts but acts like they have no power to deal with dangerous riders.
And did anyone catch the last line from hunter in the press conference? Mentioned maybe Jett would come back and get in some guys way if that's how it's gonna be. I'm here for it. And guys like Nichols and AP who have teammates in championship fight should be putting their front wheel into some tib/fibs every chance they get with a few of these guys.
If lappers aren't obeying the flags, not sure why you think it would be any different having a person telling the same thing over comms?
If the number of riders isn't reduced (doubt they'll do that) , the penalties for not obeying the flags needs to be harsh and strictly enforced .
I’ve specifically told them how happy and thankful I am that they aren’t selfish and brainwashed like most of their peers yes.
Maybe SX shouldn't be in such small venues?
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IDKM, I'd be very disappointed if Jett came back and began playing blocking games.
Jett definitely knows better than to be making enemies on track, by being an enforcer, going into the outdoors
I get why Hunter "nudged" prado while passing. They guy's getting a rep for being a subtle little shit. And that's unfortunate.
But that, hopefully, was a heat of the moment, comment by Hunter.
Interesting people bringing up f1 107% rule when they ignored it this weekend and let stroll rave when he hadn’t set that tone through any practice and qualifying session
It’s been mentioned almost weekly multiple times in the race night threads on Saturday during RDL and the night show.
I agree 100% with what Eli said in the press conference and was both surprised and very happy he said it. He was pissed but of a very clear mind on what needs to be done.
I'm a tradition guy, keep things the same but at a certain point last year during the Nationals I started thinking they should go to a 30 rider gate, probably after watching a lot of MXGP races. Less guys going into the first turn and lets be honest, any rider past 30th place is just happy to say he made a moto.
So if I’m about to get lapped now I’m going to race the leader even harder not to be black flagged. Does this not make it unfair to the leader as no one else will has to deal with this? There has to be a better way.
Two laps down and you’re off the track. Also need to penalize riders ignoring blue flags and not yielding to the leaders with race suspensions. Points mean absolutely nothing to them. They care more about the $500 bonus they get from their team for finishing 19th over 20th than the livelihood of the best racers.
Prado had the same rep in MXGP - he's been doing this kind of shit for years...
I think 10 rider mains would work, along with points only for the top 5, points for the too 10 times in practice, and winner takes 100% of the purse. Fix a lot of things at once.
Oh yeah: Consolation main for the slower riders, with a purse that pays top 20.
Psh, you couldn’t survive a kamikaze cross jump? Just get better, it’s a skill needed as a pro.
Yeah this is the approach.
Some of the guys in the 30-40 range in outdoors are running laps 20 seconds off the leaders. I honestly have no idea how they became pro.
Do you have to maintain your pro card at all or can you get it and just drop the anchor and make races if you qualify?
Is it possible to have a wheels on the ground rule with lappers? Kind of like the medic flag? If a lappers gets the blue flag, they must roll the upcoming section or get black flagged the next time around.
For example, Can you imagine the leader trying to lap/ pass Vince, if Vince knows he is going out!
That will never work.
Leave it as it is, for the amount of lappers, there aren't too many issues, this is part of Pro race craft, part of racing.
it’s crazy how the history of the sport, including CircusCross has only recently, lappers been such a cause for alarm and hysteria. The rider count could be knocked down to an exclusive 10, then watch them lap up to 4th/5th and people would be crying about that too. Higher speeds and the same scenario happens. Ridiculous, crying about lappers is getting old. Feld isn’t going to support an alternate B main, money and timing will be an issue, then why would riders bother.
How does the two lap role solve anything. The same incident with Friese would have happened with that in place.
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Yeah, cuz the leaders have never ran into each other or zigged when they should have zagged. Look left and the top 10 guy goes right.
Because his teammate in the same car was quick enough. In regards to lappers in a triple crown if you go a lap down you are done and locked in. in a 20 lap main 2 laps down and you are done. You would likely not have anyone off for the first 7-10 laps without a crash. But if the last 3 laps result in only 12-15 riders on the track it would alleviate a lot of the problems.
Better would be getting black flagged when its obvious youre about to get lapped. Instant pulling off the track.
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Maybe a premier class?
How about just suspending Friese for two races? End of story. If he does it again, then he is out for four races. If you are getting lapped and you don't get out of the way, then you are out for the next race or two.
This would solve the problem as it would make them pay attention. Pretty simple.
Apparently Friese, Moranz and Thompson did nothing wrong (according to AMA) and didn’t even get penalized any of the bullshit license points. So expect nothing different moving forward.
Caroli said when they were teammates and it was the season Herlings vs Caroli the whole season. Prado would holeshot, hold up Caroli. Block him and shit. But would move over for Jeffrey. Crazy
Friese has a long history of doing dumb things, and you are totally right, he will just keep doing this BS since there are no consequences for him.
I love privateers and want them in the races (used to be one myself) BUT they need to pay attention and get out of the way when they are being lapped. The AMA just needs to make an example of a few egregious cases (Vince) and things will get better.
No, it doesn't matter that you are 'racing' for 15th place (or whatever), you have to get out of the way if you are a lapper.
Well Soggy, it is pretty simple the two lap rule simply frees up space for the guys still racing to race. If Friese is one of the guys, it won't hardly matter. The AMA seems to lean on doing the wrong thing 99% of the time instead of taking proper action and keeping the sport legitimate. From a racer stand point, the two lap rule would also be a safety concern with guys simply rolling around.
What if.... 😄 they had 2 designated "exit" spots on opposite sides of the track, as soon as the leader gets within 15 seconds of a lapper he gets black flagged, and has a red light on his cross bar that lights up as well, similar to the green leader light. It could even be automated. Then that rider has to exit at the next "Exit area" and whatever position they're in is where they finish. Get them off the track before they're a problem. No more blue flags just black.
Then if they don't have a big claw drop down and pluck them out of the way lol
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