Prado drama continuing?

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lostboy819 wrote:

If Prado is still around and shows up at A1 he will get booed worse than Deegan. 

Mugeneco wrote:

what if he starts getting podiums on a different bike ? how does that make kawasaki look ?? 

Or how did it look when he was getting beat by privateers on the same bike?


Yeah I’m expecting Prado to improve simply because he has no choice but to put 110% effort in now after this whole shit show. So yeah him doing better on ktm will be inevitable, but doesn’t erase what we saw all summer. 

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If I am Chase - I would tell Kawi to cut ties with Prada and get down to focusing on 2026.  

And Kawi should take the high road and thank Prada for his service and then  work on crushing him with Chase on the Kawi. 
 

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10/1/2025 10:17am Edited Date/Time 10/1/2025 10:18am
Spat24 wrote:
If I am Chase - I would tell Kawi to cut ties with Prada and get down to focusing on 2026.  And Kawi should take the...

If I am Chase - I would tell Kawi to cut ties with Prada and get down to focusing on 2026.  

And Kawi should take the high road and thank Prada for his service and then  work on crushing him with Chase on the Kawi. 
 

Disagree. If kawi just lets Prado go with zero payback of any sort, what is to stop Chase from doing the same thing if he doesn’t gel with the bike? Oh so if I hate this bike, I can just send it in and get out of my contract.  That’s the message there. Rider has to have accountability. 

Also, why would Chase want Prado on what Prado thinks is a better bike lol?  

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lostboy819 wrote:

If Prado is still around and shows up at A1 he will get booed worse than Deegan. 

Mugeneco wrote:

what if he starts getting podiums on a different bike ? how does that make kawasaki look ?? 

deadlo wrote:
Or how did it look when he was getting beat by privateers on the same bike?Yeah I’m expecting Prado to improve simply because he has no...

Or how did it look when he was getting beat by privateers on the same bike?


Yeah I’m expecting Prado to improve simply because he has no choice but to put 110% effort in now after this whole shit show. So yeah him doing better on ktm will be inevitable, but doesn’t erase what we saw all summer. 

100% correct. Improving his results shouldn't be hard to do, considering how little effort he put into last season. 

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DonM wrote:

Exactly!.....a contract is a two way street that has all the instructions on how to drive down that street...

dingaling wrote:
100%. I don't get how so many in here don't understand how contracts work and the principles, responsibilities etc behind them?Im an area manager/in sales. The...

100%. I don't get how so many in here don't understand how contracts work and the principles, responsibilities etc behind them?

Im an area manager/in sales. The company, brands and clients I deal with are way smaller than kawi, monster and Prado and even we don't let clients just walk away from a deal once we've invested X amount of dollars into them. 

As you said it's a two way street. 

Contracts don’t cover every circumstance.  I doubt there are clauses about the rider not trying hard enough or the OEM not providing a good enough bike.

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10/1/2025 11:04am Edited Date/Time 10/1/2025 11:05am
Mugeneco wrote:

what if he starts getting podiums on a different bike ? how does that make kawasaki look ?? 

deadlo wrote:
Or how did it look when he was getting beat by privateers on the same bike?Yeah I’m expecting Prado to improve simply because he has no...

Or how did it look when he was getting beat by privateers on the same bike?


Yeah I’m expecting Prado to improve simply because he has no choice but to put 110% effort in now after this whole shit show. So yeah him doing better on ktm will be inevitable, but doesn’t erase what we saw all summer. 

Indy mxer wrote:

100% correct. Improving his results shouldn't be hard to do, considering how little effort he put into last season. 

Lets see how Sexton performs on green ...

you dont go to from world champ to midfield without some serious issues , who or what we dont know ...but there are some big issues for sure 

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What would happen of Prado were to just go back to GP's next year on a different team? His contracts are for the US so what would happen if he just skipped out on them here?

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Um…don’t know if you’ve been paying attention, but the current chassis just won the MXGP world championship and the team’s test rider just went on the...

Um…don’t know if you’ve been paying attention, but the current chassis just won the MXGP world championship and the team’s test rider just went on the record stating that he did so on a production chassis.  It’s the rider that wins the championship, not the bike.

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I'm not disagreeing with you but do you think Monster feels the same way? Seems like Monster wants to win, they sponsor the team, and the...

I'm not disagreeing with you but do you think Monster feels the same way? Seems like Monster wants to win, they sponsor the team, and the team makes the hiring decisions.

I think you might be incorrect on your last point.  I heard somewhere the Monster was actually the driving force behind the choice that was made...

I think you might be incorrect on your last point.  I heard somewhere the Monster was actually the driving force behind the choice that was made to hire Prado.  At the time, Red Bull was sponsoring the greatest Spanish racer in the world (Marc Marquez) as well as Jorge.  Monster pushed Kawasaki to hire Prado in an attempt to “claw” back Spanish market and mind share.  Monster was all in on Prado.  That is probably why they aren’t going to make this divorce easy on him.  They had big plans for the future with Prado.

Yup and Prado was supposed to be the new face of Monster like Jett is with RedBull. Monster saw Prado as their Jett and now he wants to walk and go back to a RedBull supported team. I’m sure Monsters pissed. 

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I wonder if there are sign on bonuses that are the centre of this dispute?  Trying to claw back paid salary or suing for potential future losses would be messy and with an uncertain outcome.  If Prado received sign bonuses from Monster and/or Kawi that would be a different issue - much more straightforward especially if there were obligations attached to them.

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Spat24 wrote:
If I am Chase - I would tell Kawi to cut ties with Prada and get down to focusing on 2026.  And Kawi should take the...

If I am Chase - I would tell Kawi to cut ties with Prada and get down to focusing on 2026.  

And Kawi should take the high road and thank Prada for his service and then  work on crushing him with Chase on the Kawi. 
 

Good thoughts! I like that , stop talking and just show him with results.👍🏻

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Spat24 wrote:
If I am Chase - I would tell Kawi to cut ties with Prada and get down to focusing on 2026.  And Kawi should take the...

If I am Chase - I would tell Kawi to cut ties with Prada and get down to focusing on 2026.  

And Kawi should take the high road and thank Prada for his service and then  work on crushing him with Chase on the Kawi. 
 

deadlo wrote:
Disagree. If kawi just lets Prado go with zero payback of any sort, what is to stop Chase from doing the same thing if he doesn’t...

Disagree. If kawi just lets Prado go with zero payback of any sort, what is to stop Chase from doing the same thing if he doesn’t gel with the bike? Oh so if I hate this bike, I can just send it in and get out of my contract.  That’s the message there. Rider has to have accountability. 

Also, why would Chase want Prado on what Prado thinks is a better bike lol?  

Yeah - I get that and you could be right.  But teams should be focused on racing (bike and rider) and not the bullshit of contract disputes.  

You would think if a rider does this it would blackball him???

Hope it plays out soon.  I would like to see Chase do well on the green bike.

 

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Spat24 wrote:
If I am Chase - I would tell Kawi to cut ties with Prada and get down to focusing on 2026.  And Kawi should take the...

If I am Chase - I would tell Kawi to cut ties with Prada and get down to focusing on 2026.  

And Kawi should take the high road and thank Prada for his service and then  work on crushing him with Chase on the Kawi. 
 

deadlo wrote:
Disagree. If kawi just lets Prado go with zero payback of any sort, what is to stop Chase from doing the same thing if he doesn’t...

Disagree. If kawi just lets Prado go with zero payback of any sort, what is to stop Chase from doing the same thing if he doesn’t gel with the bike? Oh so if I hate this bike, I can just send it in and get out of my contract.  That’s the message there. Rider has to have accountability. 

Also, why would Chase want Prado on what Prado thinks is a better bike lol?  

Spat24 wrote:
Yeah - I get that and you could be right.  But teams should be focused on racing (bike and rider) and not the bullshit of contract...

Yeah - I get that and you could be right.  But teams should be focused on racing (bike and rider) and not the bullshit of contract disputes.  

You would think if a rider does this it would blackball him???

Hope it plays out soon.  I would like to see Chase do well on the green bike.

 

I'm certain a big corporation and the team can handle giving Chase everything he needs, while they deal with the Prado situation.

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deadlo wrote:
Or how did it look when he was getting beat by privateers on the same bike?Yeah I’m expecting Prado to improve simply because he has no...

Or how did it look when he was getting beat by privateers on the same bike?


Yeah I’m expecting Prado to improve simply because he has no choice but to put 110% effort in now after this whole shit show. So yeah him doing better on ktm will be inevitable, but doesn’t erase what we saw all summer. 

Indy mxer wrote:

100% correct. Improving his results shouldn't be hard to do, considering how little effort he put into last season. 

Mugeneco wrote:
Lets see how Sexton performs on green ...you dont go to from world champ to midfield without some serious issues , who or what we dont...

Lets see how Sexton performs on green ...

you dont go to from world champ to midfield without some serious issues , who or what we dont know ...but there are some big issues for sure 

Serious issues for sure! 

It was a total lack of effort on Prado's part, then throwing the whole team under the bus.  He flat out quit, and took no personal resposibility at all. Something I've never seen before in pro mx. 

He pretty much stole the money he got from Kawi and Monster. No wonder KTM is reluctant to pay him a salary, and make it bonus based.

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AJ565 wrote:
What would happen of Prado were to just go back to GP's next year on a different team? His contracts are for the US so what...

What would happen of Prado were to just go back to GP's next year on a different team? His contracts are for the US so what would happen if he just skipped out on them here?

Potentially the same things that would happen to any person that tried to skip out on contractual obligations by fleeing the country.

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Didn’t Mike Larocco basically quit midway through the outdoors back when he was on a Suzuki in ‘97 or something? I thought I remember reading that, or he didn’t/wasnt going to show up for a race or two to get released from his deal?

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ohh_454 wrote:
Didn’t Mike Larocco basically quit midway through the outdoors back when he was on a Suzuki in ‘97 or something? I thought I remember reading that...

Didn’t Mike Larocco basically quit midway through the outdoors back when he was on a Suzuki in ‘97 or something? I thought I remember reading that, or he didn’t/wasnt going to show up for a race or two to get released from his deal?

LaRocco hated the Suzuki, but rode his ass off anyway.  He got out of his contract, joined FC Honda, and had basically a new lease on his career.  He never, ever just rode around and collected a paycheck.

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10/1/2025 3:35pm
Um…don’t know if you’ve been paying attention, but the current chassis just won the MXGP world championship and the team’s test rider just went on the...

Um…don’t know if you’ve been paying attention, but the current chassis just won the MXGP world championship and the team’s test rider just went on the record stating that he did so on a production chassis.  It’s the rider that wins the championship, not the bike.

3strokemx wrote:
I'm not disagreeing with you but do you think Monster feels the same way? Seems like Monster wants to win, they sponsor the team, and the...

I'm not disagreeing with you but do you think Monster feels the same way? Seems like Monster wants to win, they sponsor the team, and the team makes the hiring decisions.

I think you might be incorrect on your last point.  I heard somewhere the Monster was actually the driving force behind the choice that was made...

I think you might be incorrect on your last point.  I heard somewhere the Monster was actually the driving force behind the choice that was made to hire Prado.  At the time, Red Bull was sponsoring the greatest Spanish racer in the world (Marc Marquez) as well as Jorge.  Monster pushed Kawasaki to hire Prado in an attempt to “claw” back Spanish market and mind share.  Monster was all in on Prado.  That is probably why they aren’t going to make this divorce easy on him.  They had big plans for the future with Prado.

All the more reason not to act vindictive. Forget Jorge's performance, if Monster forces the issue and causes Jorge to miss next season, you don't think that will damage their brand in Spain and the Euro market in general? 

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ohh_454 wrote:
Didn’t Mike Larocco basically quit midway through the outdoors back when he was on a Suzuki in ‘97 or something? I thought I remember reading that...

Didn’t Mike Larocco basically quit midway through the outdoors back when he was on a Suzuki in ‘97 or something? I thought I remember reading that, or he didn’t/wasnt going to show up for a race or two to get released from his deal?

LaRocco hated the Suzuki, but rode his ass off anyway.  He got out of his contract, joined FC Honda, and had basically a new lease on...

LaRocco hated the Suzuki, but rode his ass off anyway.  He got out of his contract, joined FC Honda, and had basically a new lease on his career.  He never, ever just rode around and collected a paycheck.

Yaa I didn’t mean to imply that the rock just rode around and didn’t try, I was more or less seeing if he actually didn’t show up to a race or two or if that was just here-say. I remember those bikes with the Jack in the Box logos, I think I heard on a podcast that they ran them for free hoping to attract a bigger sponsor. 

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10/1/2025 3:43pm

Here's the deal. This has nothing to do with what's best for Monster or Kawi. If that was the test, they would've released him already. This has much more to do with someone at Monster put their name and reputation on the line to advocate for Jorge as the next big thing, and now they are embarrassed because their big bet was a dud. 

Like I said earlier, if this is being viewed strictly as a business decision, it's crystal clear they need to cut ties with him and focus on things they can do to show everyone it had nothing to do with the bike. Focus on business for 2026. 

But it isn't. It's about someone's career. Someone had to sell this decision and now their career has this blemish on it. You would be surprised how often, even in big companies, big money decisions are made based on gut feel or emotions (positive and negative) rather than data and logic. 

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TriRacer27 wrote:
Here's the deal. This has nothing to do with what's best for Monster or Kawi. If that was the test, they would've released him already. This...

Here's the deal. This has nothing to do with what's best for Monster or Kawi. If that was the test, they would've released him already. This has much more to do with someone at Monster put their name and reputation on the line to advocate for Jorge as the next big thing, and now they are embarrassed because their big bet was a dud. 

Like I said earlier, if this is being viewed strictly as a business decision, it's crystal clear they need to cut ties with him and focus on things they can do to show everyone it had nothing to do with the bike. Focus on business for 2026. 

But it isn't. It's about someone's career. Someone had to sell this decision and now their career has this blemish on it. You would be surprised how often, even in big companies, big money decisions are made based on gut feel or emotions (positive and negative) rather than data and logic. 

What? They aren’t trying to hold Prado accountable because Kevin from HR is embarrassed that he pitched the idea of taking on an mxgp champ and it not going well.  

If it’s strictly business then why would they release him and lose completely on their investment? That’s the opposite of “strictly business.” Strictly business would be to make him pay back to get out of his contract. If he delays that then it’s still a win because he’s only hurting himself by not going ktm and being a competitor to chase. Chase will put kawi on the box. Prado could potentially do the same on ktm when he gets his sorry ass way and can finally show us some effort. Kawi keeping him off that bike right now isn’t a terrible idea.

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Paul333 wrote:
It’s simple. Pay him for this season. End it. Shred the contact Let him go. MX has zero history of forcing riders to stay when they don’t want too ride...

It’s simple. 

Pay him for this season. 

End it. Shred the contact 


Let him go. 

MX has zero history of forcing riders to stay when they don’t want too ride for them. 

 

It might have something to do with him placing all the blame on the bike for him being a minute behind the competition.  

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ohh_454 wrote:
Didn’t Mike Larocco basically quit midway through the outdoors back when he was on a Suzuki in ‘97 or something? I thought I remember reading that...

Didn’t Mike Larocco basically quit midway through the outdoors back when he was on a Suzuki in ‘97 or something? I thought I remember reading that, or he didn’t/wasnt going to show up for a race or two to get released from his deal?

LaRocco hated the Suzuki, but rode his ass off anyway.  He got out of his contract, joined FC Honda, and had basically a new lease on...

LaRocco hated the Suzuki, but rode his ass off anyway.  He got out of his contract, joined FC Honda, and had basically a new lease on his career.  He never, ever just rode around and collected a paycheck.

Partially true, the report from RacerX reads:

Hell, when he switched to Suzuki’s in ’96 he absolutely hated the bikes and the team (and in fact just straight-up missed a race because of being unhappy and everyone knew he tried out a Honda at Stanton’s place)”

But even in ‘97 McGrath couldn’t understand why Suzuki wouldn’t listen to Larocco. So MC decided to have Mitch take care of the engine work and bolted on his old Honda forks. 

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ohh_454 wrote:
Didn’t Mike Larocco basically quit midway through the outdoors back when he was on a Suzuki in ‘97 or something? I thought I remember reading that...

Didn’t Mike Larocco basically quit midway through the outdoors back when he was on a Suzuki in ‘97 or something? I thought I remember reading that, or he didn’t/wasnt going to show up for a race or two to get released from his deal?

LaRocco hated the Suzuki, but rode his ass off anyway.  He got out of his contract, joined FC Honda, and had basically a new lease on...

LaRocco hated the Suzuki, but rode his ass off anyway.  He got out of his contract, joined FC Honda, and had basically a new lease on his career.  He never, ever just rode around and collected a paycheck.

JayByrd wrote:
Partially true, the report from RacerX reads:Hell, when he switched to Suzuki’s in ’96 he absolutely hated the bikes and the team (and in fact just...

Partially true, the report from RacerX reads:

Hell, when he switched to Suzuki’s in ’96 he absolutely hated the bikes and the team (and in fact just straight-up missed a race because of being unhappy and everyone knew he tried out a Honda at Stanton’s place)”

But even in ‘97 McGrath couldn’t understand why Suzuki wouldn’t listen to Larocco. So MC decided to have Mitch take care of the engine work and bolted on his old Honda forks. 

And who was team Suzuki manager during this era...

Roger DeCoster

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10/1/2025 6:41pm

Prado needs to avoid a lawsuit. A bunch of years and money to deal with. Kaw and monster can turn it over to legal and let them deal with it. They could bury him. They are both bigger and richer.

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Prado needs to avoid a lawsuit. A bunch of years and money to deal with. Kaw and monster can turn it over to legal and let...

Prado needs to avoid a lawsuit. A bunch of years and money to deal with. Kaw and monster can turn it over to legal and let them deal with it. They could bury him. They are both bigger and richer.

Just because they can doesn't mean they should. Y'all are ignoring a key factor that athlete/brand contracts are a very public thing and, when it comes to a these sort of relationships, the moral/reputational risk is asymmetric. Optics matter more here than what's in the contract. So far Prado hasn't been great at it, but somehow Kawi and Monster aren't capable of taking advantage of this. 

 

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10/1/2025 11:55pm
Indy mxer wrote:

100% correct. Improving his results shouldn't be hard to do, considering how little effort he put into last season. 

Mugeneco wrote:
Lets see how Sexton performs on green ...you dont go to from world champ to midfield without some serious issues , who or what we dont...

Lets see how Sexton performs on green ...

you dont go to from world champ to midfield without some serious issues , who or what we dont know ...but there are some big issues for sure 

Indy mxer wrote:
Serious issues for sure! It was a total lack of effort on Prado's part, then throwing the whole team under the bus.  He flat out quit, and...

Serious issues for sure! 

It was a total lack of effort on Prado's part, then throwing the whole team under the bus.  He flat out quit, and took no personal resposibility at all. Something I've never seen before in pro mx. 

He pretty much stole the money he got from Kawi and Monster. No wonder KTM is reluctant to pay him a salary, and make it bonus based.

Suggesting he 'stole' the money is probably the most ridiculous thing I've read in this thread. Imagine if every employee who arrived at work on Monday morning with an aching body and dehydrated head because of their riding antics over the weekend were accused of 'stealing' their salary for the day. We've all done it- whether it be a hangover, a beat up body from Moto, or other personal issues, we've all underperformed at work for some reason & still claimed our pay. Let's keep things in perspective and not say he stole anything.
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TriRacer27 wrote:
Here's the deal. This has nothing to do with what's best for Monster or Kawi. If that was the test, they would've released him already. This...

Here's the deal. This has nothing to do with what's best for Monster or Kawi. If that was the test, they would've released him already. This has much more to do with someone at Monster put their name and reputation on the line to advocate for Jorge as the next big thing, and now they are embarrassed because their big bet was a dud. 

Like I said earlier, if this is being viewed strictly as a business decision, it's crystal clear they need to cut ties with him and focus on things they can do to show everyone it had nothing to do with the bike. Focus on business for 2026. 

But it isn't. It's about someone's career. Someone had to sell this decision and now their career has this blemish on it. You would be surprised how often, even in big companies, big money decisions are made based on gut feel or emotions (positive and negative) rather than data and logic. 

Kawi and Monster are not doing this because someone made a judgement error and is trying to cover their ass. They are doing it because there was a contract with obligations and they've got to maintain a precedent. If they let one athlete walk consequence free many more will follow. 

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Kawi has no leverage. Prado could always stay, collect a ton of money, and ride around in 20th. They don’t want that. 

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Mugeneco wrote:
Lets see how Sexton performs on green ...you dont go to from world champ to midfield without some serious issues , who or what we dont...

Lets see how Sexton performs on green ...

you dont go to from world champ to midfield without some serious issues , who or what we dont know ...but there are some big issues for sure 

Indy mxer wrote:
Serious issues for sure! It was a total lack of effort on Prado's part, then throwing the whole team under the bus.  He flat out quit, and...

Serious issues for sure! 

It was a total lack of effort on Prado's part, then throwing the whole team under the bus.  He flat out quit, and took no personal resposibility at all. Something I've never seen before in pro mx. 

He pretty much stole the money he got from Kawi and Monster. No wonder KTM is reluctant to pay him a salary, and make it bonus based.

Suggesting he 'stole' the money is probably the most ridiculous thing I've read in this thread. Imagine if every employee who arrived at work on Monday...
Suggesting he 'stole' the money is probably the most ridiculous thing I've read in this thread. Imagine if every employee who arrived at work on Monday morning with an aching body and dehydrated head because of their riding antics over the weekend were accused of 'stealing' their salary for the day. We've all done it- whether it be a hangover, a beat up body from Moto, or other personal issues, we've all underperformed at work for some reason & still claimed our pay. Let's keep things in perspective and not say he stole anything.

I wouldn't call what Prado did "under performing". That's sugarcoating it. He flat out quit. Therefore he wasn't earning his money, 

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10/2/2025 6:15am
TriRacer27 wrote:
Here's the deal. This has nothing to do with what's best for Monster or Kawi. If that was the test, they would've released him already. This...

Here's the deal. This has nothing to do with what's best for Monster or Kawi. If that was the test, they would've released him already. This has much more to do with someone at Monster put their name and reputation on the line to advocate for Jorge as the next big thing, and now they are embarrassed because their big bet was a dud. 

Like I said earlier, if this is being viewed strictly as a business decision, it's crystal clear they need to cut ties with him and focus on things they can do to show everyone it had nothing to do with the bike. Focus on business for 2026. 

But it isn't. It's about someone's career. Someone had to sell this decision and now their career has this blemish on it. You would be surprised how often, even in big companies, big money decisions are made based on gut feel or emotions (positive and negative) rather than data and logic. 

I get what you are saying. But hear me out. The "data" was absolutely there. He's a 2x & back to back MXGP champ. Gets signed for a large contract. Doesn't like the bike, team and tracks and clearly faster competition. He gets embarrassed by the Americans and then he blames the bike more. Then he obviously doesn't even try to qualify at Budds Creek. Prado is a head case and still thinks he has any leverage after riding and acting like he did all year. Now Kawi and Monster are going to make it a living hell for him. Prado is trying to aim Vengeance for not making the Kawi a KTM. But Kawi is making it a Reckoning on Prado for his actions.

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