The Prado Mystery

7/25/2025 5:46am

         Does Jorge feel like he has enough money tucked away, and has lost his drive ?  Seems ridiculous, I know , but “ making it “ is a different level for everyone. I am hoping that is not the case, but IMO, it is really looking that way at this point.

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7/25/2025 5:46am
Larry450 wrote:
Is there any interviews with team manager or somebody in the team? What they have to say?Bad look for kawi for sure. The one and only...

Is there any interviews with team manager or somebody in the team? What they have to say?

Bad look for kawi for sure. The one and only rider just riding sight laps for 20min+2 laps.

Dan F has said he doesn't want to do interviews, he "has nothing constructive to say". 

Compare that openess with Lars or Ian.

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M.B. wrote:

At this point I am believing even if Prado gets back to mxgp his results will be same bad.

Do you relly believe he is so mentally worn out? If so it would be career ending. He is still young but it’s definitely a huge and unexpected bump on the road.

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7/25/2025 5:56am
rumors bouncing around online that Kawi/Prado are in talks to just call it a day and sever the deal. If we hear of a "practice injury"...

rumors bouncing around online that Kawi/Prado are in talks to just call it a day and sever the deal. If we hear of a "practice injury" during this break, I'd bet the rumors might be true and he's gonna jump the next plane home. No "evidence" yet, just rumors....

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He wants out, but needs to buy himself out.  Lots of $$ for Prado to get out of his contract.  Along with these rumors, i heard...

He wants out, but needs to buy himself out.  Lots of $$ for Prado to get out of his contract.  Along with these rumors, i heard he's not going to buy himself out the remaining 2 years (too much $$) as Kawi requires $$ for Prado to walk away early

Kawi could just let him walk and then he wouldn’t need to buy it out. 

Thats all well and good but JT has said all the seats are filled in the GPs. 

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7/25/2025 7:13am
Sparkey wrote:
He wants out, but needs to buy himself out.  Lots of $$ for Prado to get out of his contract.  Along with these rumors, i heard...

He wants out, but needs to buy himself out.  Lots of $$ for Prado to get out of his contract.  Along with these rumors, i heard he's not going to buy himself out the remaining 2 years (too much $$) as Kawi requires $$ for Prado to walk away early

Kawi could just let him walk and then he wouldn’t need to buy it out. 

Thats all well and good but JT has said all the seats are filled in the GPs. 

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7/25/2025 7:32am Edited Date/Time 7/25/2025 7:35am
Larry450 wrote:
Is there any interviews with team manager or somebody in the team? What they have to say?Bad look for kawi for sure. The one and only...

Is there any interviews with team manager or somebody in the team? What they have to say?

Bad look for kawi for sure. The one and only rider just riding sight laps for 20min+2 laps.

aees wrote:

Dan F has said he doesn't want to do interviews, he "has nothing constructive to say". 

Compare that openess with Lars or Ian.

In all fairness, neither Jett nor Chase openly bash the bike/team in the media when they don’t get the results they are looking for.  I don’t blame Dan for not wanting to talk about their situation.

If you don’t have anything nice to say, sometimes it’s best not to say anything at all.

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7/25/2025 8:36am
Larry450 wrote:
Is there any interviews with team manager or somebody in the team? What they have to say?Bad look for kawi for sure. The one and only...

Is there any interviews with team manager or somebody in the team? What they have to say?

Bad look for kawi for sure. The one and only rider just riding sight laps for 20min+2 laps.

aees wrote:

Dan F has said he doesn't want to do interviews, he "has nothing constructive to say". 

Compare that openess with Lars or Ian.

In all fairness, neither Jett nor Chase openly bash the bike/team in the media when they don’t get the results they are looking for.  I don’t...

In all fairness, neither Jett nor Chase openly bash the bike/team in the media when they don’t get the results they are looking for.  I don’t blame Dan for not wanting to talk about their situation.

If you don’t have anything nice to say, sometimes it’s best not to say anything at all.

I was thinking that I'd love to hear Kawi's side of this, but "has nothing constructive to say" says a lot more than any interview he could have done.

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7/25/2025 8:50am
Indy mxer wrote:

He seems to speak fluent english from the interviews I've seen. I don't think a language barrier has anything to do with it.

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One thing is being fluent in conversational topics and another one is being fluent in communicating complex ideas that require domain specific knowledge.

But it's already said that he is not mechanically knowledgable. Dude speaks near-perfect English and probably doesn't really know the technical terminology in any language.

I'm pretty sure they mostly speak English since there staff and racers on the team from so many different countries.

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7/25/2025 8:51am
M.B. wrote:

At this point I am believing even if Prado gets back to mxgp his results will be same bad.

themrtoad wrote:
Do you relly believe he is so mentally worn out? If so it would be career ending. He is still young but it’s definitely a huge...

Do you relly believe he is so mentally worn out? If so it would be career ending. He is still young but it’s definitely a huge and unexpected bump on the road.

Doesn’t want to? Isn’t that part of being a critical member of a team? Moto media is so soft…

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7/25/2025 8:51am Edited Date/Time 7/25/2025 8:53am
Larry450 wrote:
Is there any interviews with team manager or somebody in the team? What they have to say?Bad look for kawi for sure. The one and only...

Is there any interviews with team manager or somebody in the team? What they have to say?

Bad look for kawi for sure. The one and only rider just riding sight laps for 20min+2 laps.

aees wrote:

Dan F has said he doesn't want to do interviews, he "has nothing constructive to say". 

Compare that openess with Lars or Ian.

In all fairness, neither Jett nor Chase openly bash the bike/team in the media when they don’t get the results they are looking for.  I don’t...

In all fairness, neither Jett nor Chase openly bash the bike/team in the media when they don’t get the results they are looking for.  I don’t blame Dan for not wanting to talk about their situation.

If you don’t have anything nice to say, sometimes it’s best not to say anything at all.

They are the factory team and face of Kawasaki in USA. It comes with the job to not only highlight the positive when sun i shining. Everyone can do that job.

But this has always been the case with Kawi. Eli struggle, not a word. AC and Anderson struggle and dont like the bike, not a word. And now Prado.

Its poor culture. They are not alone, but definitely bottom of the list of open teams.

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7/25/2025 9:32am

Maybe he thought it was going to be a walk in tje park winning in America? If these guys can feel the difference one click makes on their suspension, they can damn sure tell how a bike reacts to the one they just got done racing. I still say he thought he was going to come over and dust everyone on the bike he test rode before signing his contract.

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7/25/2025 9:52am

How can anyone believe the bike don't have enough power when he obviously is not turning it till it stops.

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7/25/2025 11:12am

On one of the podcasts they had an interesting idea, which would never happen even though it should. Tomac is going to ktm and prado is unhappy at kawi. What if kawi and ktm traded so tomac goes back to kawi where he has prior experience and prado goes back to ktm where he has prior experience. Seems like itd be a win win for everybody. Its probably going to take eli a year to get used to the ktm and this late in his career he doesnt have the time. Prado is lost at kawi and wasting time also. Prado at ktm and tomac at kawi would put both riders on brands their comfortable on without wasting time getting used to the bike. Was a cool idea but will obviously never happen.  

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Pop Shmoke wrote:
On one of the podcasts they had an interesting idea, which would never happen even though it should. Tomac is going to ktm and prado is...

On one of the podcasts they had an interesting idea, which would never happen even though it should. Tomac is going to ktm and prado is unhappy at kawi. What if kawi and ktm traded so tomac goes back to kawi where he has prior experience and prado goes back to ktm where he has prior experience. Seems like itd be a win win for everybody. Its probably going to take eli a year to get used to the ktm and this late in his career he doesnt have the time. Prado is lost at kawi and wasting time also. Prado at ktm and tomac at kawi would put both riders on brands their comfortable on without wasting time getting used to the bike. Was a cool idea but will obviously never happen.  

Have you seen the movie face off? Maybe they do something like that?

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7/25/2025 11:59am Edited Date/Time 7/25/2025 1:32pm
zippytech wrote:

How can anyone believe the bike don't have enough power when he obviously is not turning it till it stops.

Would be cool if Kawi shared the data for % throttle used while he’s riding. Said riding not racing as clearly he’s not trying that hard…

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7/25/2025 1:05pm
Pop Shmoke wrote:
On one of the podcasts they had an interesting idea, which would never happen even though it should. Tomac is going to ktm and prado is...

On one of the podcasts they had an interesting idea, which would never happen even though it should. Tomac is going to ktm and prado is unhappy at kawi. What if kawi and ktm traded so tomac goes back to kawi where he has prior experience and prado goes back to ktm where he has prior experience. Seems like itd be a win win for everybody. Its probably going to take eli a year to get used to the ktm and this late in his career he doesnt have the time. Prado is lost at kawi and wasting time also. Prado at ktm and tomac at kawi would put both riders on brands their comfortable on without wasting time getting used to the bike. Was a cool idea but will obviously never happen.  

Larry450 wrote:

Have you seen the movie face off? Maybe they do something like that?

HAAHAA!

7/25/2025 1:22pm
Pop Shmoke wrote:
On one of the podcasts they had an interesting idea, which would never happen even though it should. Tomac is going to ktm and prado is...

On one of the podcasts they had an interesting idea, which would never happen even though it should. Tomac is going to ktm and prado is unhappy at kawi. What if kawi and ktm traded so tomac goes back to kawi where he has prior experience and prado goes back to ktm where he has prior experience. Seems like itd be a win win for everybody. Its probably going to take eli a year to get used to the ktm and this late in his career he doesnt have the time. Prado is lost at kawi and wasting time also. Prado at ktm and tomac at kawi would put both riders on brands their comfortable on without wasting time getting used to the bike. Was a cool idea but will obviously never happen.  

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7/25/2025 1:39pm

Honestly yes the 19th was horrific, but being on the fence at Washougal Jorge wasn’t trying at all, which was so surprising considering he yanked 2 wonderful starts both moto’s. It’s easy to get caught up in the now, but he was better in supercross than people were giving him credit for and I truly believe although it looks bad now, he’ll have the bike sorted much better by next year. I bet he grabs a top 3 at Unadilla in one of the moto’s and the tone here dramatically shifts

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zippytech wrote:

How can anyone believe the bike don't have enough power when he obviously is not turning it till it stops.

yak651 wrote:

Would be cool if Kawi shared the data for % throttle used while he’s riding. Said riding not racing as clearly he’s not trying that hard…

No shit!

 

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How many 250’s had faster laps than #70?  I know a little lighter bike but its not all about hp.  

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7/25/2025 2:50pm
zippytech wrote:

How can anyone believe the bike don't have enough power when he obviously is not turning it till it stops.

yak651 wrote:

Would be cool if Kawi shared the data for % throttle used while he’s riding. Said riding not racing as clearly he’s not trying that hard…

zippytech wrote:

No shit!

 

You dont think Roczen and Tomac has vastly different looking curves for how they use the throttle? 

Same with Herlings and Prado, opposite side when it comes to how they ride the bike. 

It won't tell you shit. Other than at the start.

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7/25/2025 3:50pm
yardsailor wrote:

How many 250’s had faster laps than #70?  I know a little lighter bike but its not all about hp.  

The laptimes paint an ugly picture.

450 Moto1

Chase Sexton 2:14.090

Eli Tomac.       2:14.447

Jett Lawrence 2:13.613

Jorge Prado    2:18.006

250 Moto 1 Only 2 guys faster than Prado

Haiden Deegan 2:16.599

Jo Shimoda        2:17.288

450 Moto 2

Jett Lawrence    2:13.911

Jorge Prado      2:24.546

250 Moto 2 Top 11 guys faster than Prado

Jo Shimoda      2:18.710

Dilan Schwartz  2:22.703

 

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7/25/2025 3:53pm
yak651 wrote:

Would be cool if Kawi shared the data for % throttle used while he’s riding. Said riding not racing as clearly he’s not trying that hard…

zippytech wrote:

No shit!

 

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You dont think Roczen and Tomac has vastly different looking curves for how they use the throttle? Same with Herlings and Prado, opposite side when it comes...

You dont think Roczen and Tomac has vastly different looking curves for how they use the throttle? 

Same with Herlings and Prado, opposite side when it comes to how they ride the bike. 

It won't tell you shit. Other than at the start.

I’ve heard Prado at Pala damn near on the track by himself and he rides a super high gear but you’d think they could get him what he wants simply by changing gearing but looks like it’s not that easy. 

However, “they say” Prado is terrible at setting up a bike. Did GasGas just get lucky throwing something out there that he liked?  I find it hard to believe that Prado can’t communicate what he wants and Kawasaki can’t get remotely close.  Befuddling to say the least. 

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I’ve heard Prado at Pala damn near on the track by himself and he rides a super high gear but you’d think they could get him...

I’ve heard Prado at Pala damn near on the track by himself and he rides a super high gear but you’d think they could get him what he wants simply by changing gearing but looks like it’s not that easy. 

However, “they say” Prado is terrible at setting up a bike. Did GasGas just get lucky throwing something out there that he liked?  I find it hard to believe that Prado can’t communicate what he wants and Kawasaki can’t get remotely close.  Befuddling to say the least. 

Actually you could say Gas Gas did get lucky. I’ve read/heard it mentioned multiple times that Cairoli helped  with bike set up across the KTM group. 

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7/25/2025 5:13pm
zippytech wrote:

No shit!

 

aees wrote:
You dont think Roczen and Tomac has vastly different looking curves for how they use the throttle? Same with Herlings and Prado, opposite side when it comes...

You dont think Roczen and Tomac has vastly different looking curves for how they use the throttle? 

Same with Herlings and Prado, opposite side when it comes to how they ride the bike. 

It won't tell you shit. Other than at the start.

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I’ve heard Prado at Pala damn near on the track by himself and he rides a super high gear but you’d think they could get him...

I’ve heard Prado at Pala damn near on the track by himself and he rides a super high gear but you’d think they could get him what he wants simply by changing gearing but looks like it’s not that easy. 

However, “they say” Prado is terrible at setting up a bike. Did GasGas just get lucky throwing something out there that he liked?  I find it hard to believe that Prado can’t communicate what he wants and Kawasaki can’t get remotely close.  Befuddling to say the least. 

Its been stated it doesnt have the torque of the other factory bikes. 
No idea if that means part /half / full throttle low rpm torque. 

Not many riders can master the Eli BamBam high rpm bashing throttle stop technique. 
And im sure its only part of the equation in Prados poor performances. 

Lots of ducks to get in a row before he is in the top 3 end of raceday.

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That's of course attitude and expectation management from riders perspective. People make it sound like Webb could have built a Star bike himself at factory Yamaha...

That's of course attitude and expectation management from riders perspective. People make it sound like Webb could have built a Star bike himself at factory Yamaha, or fixed the new KTM himself and be fine with racing it (which he wasn't, KYB susp). It's up to the rider to fix the bike, right? 

Webb left Yamaha because of the bike. He also told KTM the 2023 bike sucked (said this himself in interviews) and finally also left KTM to get on the Star Yamaha. Eli took a paycut to get on the Star Yamaha.

The point is Factory bikes is not a guarantee that anything can be fixed, independent of results.

I've never said it's up to the rider to fix the bike. They are somewhat responsible for their own setup. And yes factory's are not guaranteed to fix all problems. Nothing is guaranteed.

My example of Webb etc was that even when they had less than ideal setups they still made it work ok. They as a rider made up for the lack in bike ability. 

The things that are in Prados control, his own bike setup and his mental attitude towards each race, seem to be severally lacking. Who's responsible for that? Prado. 

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7/25/2025 11:43pm

i feel like the fans over there are starting to feel disillusioned with prado and hes in danger of loosing his fan base.

As a fan its frustrating and bewildering to watch, but i will still support him, until i know the full facts, which no one on here actually does 

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7/26/2025 4:50am

When’s the last time someone did what everyone’s expecting Prado to do on a green bike ? 

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7/26/2025 4:59am Edited Date/Time 7/26/2025 5:00am

When’s the last time someone did what everyone’s expecting Prado to do on a green bike ? 

Motocross wise, Jason Anderson 2022 or Adam Cianciarulo 2020-21

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7/26/2025 5:05am

When’s the last time someone did what everyone’s expecting Prado to do on a green bike ? 

When was the last time anyone won anything on a Honda until the Huntah Bros came along?  Motocross ain’t about the bike.

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