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I have a Kwaka. It go fast in the powerbands.
1896 has exceptional talent. Maybe Honda Japan R&D is a bit more emotionally and financially invested? The other riders? Clearly obvious they’re not willing to make the sacrifices during the week and take the risks on Saturday to compete for the top step of the podium. Where’s the rage? Where’s the anger? Where’s the “I’d rather watch my son duel leukemia for 10 years” than lose? These riders are just accepting mediocrity!
Listen to this clip and whenever you hear Perdue, insert 1896. Whenever you hear a person’s name, insert 3rd through 10th place in 450 point standings.
https://youtu.be/Chdg7wEGfYw?si=URKFWVV4pq466lwv
Cant be bothered typing this again
Using a reverse hemispheric gyroscopic balance module (made from kangaroo sinew), the bike manipulates time perception, making the rest of the field look slower while the Lawrence brothers flows through corners like they warping spacetime.
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You didn't listen to the interviews? He basically took a second because he changed the shock settings for moto 1 and bike was not good. He gave Hunter credits but you could hear he fucked up the setup and he couldn't push.
Went back for second moto and all was good again. Have he not fiddled with the setup for moto 1 there is no way Hunter wins.
No one is immune to wrong bike setup.
This! To not single out the OP, I'm seeing more of this sentiment in other places like Facebook. "Honda is cheating!" Ok, how? They running big bores? Because we all know the more horsepower the better right? Aware us to how they could cheat.
Read what I wrote again 👍
I have 👍 He did make bike changes. And if he wasn't that sensitive he would have just kept the bike as is right? He was just 8 sec behind Hunter and good for a second in that race.
My point is, he as anyone depend on hitting the window and its a small window or you dont end up outside it between practise and moto 1. Knowing how good the bike is they dont normally swing at bike setup but instead tune. And they ended up with something he couldn't win on that moto.
You have to read a bit into it but how disappointed he was with the setup is pretty clear at least for me it was the one thing that kept him back. JT also said he hasn't seen Jett before being as active dibriefing/not happy talking to the mechanics directly after race one.
So, are you saying there is cheating going on in professional motocross?
I am SHOCKED——simply shocked!
ML, in early and running tail cover with the tinfoil hat slam. This topic is verboten on the VIitals!
The only comedy that turned into a documentary.
Did you not watch the Simpsons?
Not remotely the same.
I have to agree. I’ve read some pretty idiotic threads on here through the years, but this one is at the top of the list.
Wildest takes I’ve read this year…
1) Honda paid officials at High Point to have the race called once Jett was in position to take the overall
2) Honda paid officials at Spring Creek to not penalize Jo for jumping on the Red Cross flag
Anddddd..
3) This post
If I could just get on one of the Honda's I could win this thing. I would be so much faster than everyone else in the world. If I just one of them bikes.
1. Lawrence Brother are the top and likely second or third best rider in the class.
2. Honda has more money to spend than every other team.
3. go back to the 80's and see the same thing from this team
4. In almost any motorsport when Honda gets really serious they do not lose much
Small electric motor in front hub? People were busted in road cycling for it. Examined bike with infrared camera and saw heat buildup in odd places.
I don't think Honda or any other teams are cheating, though. Back years ago when Sebastian Loeb was dominating the FIA world rally championship they analyzed his driving style and determined he simply used his brakes less than anyone else and kept momentum up. Smooth equals fast and uses less mental and physical energy.
Pit Row
To me it's not how fast they are going, its more so, how slow the field is....
like 3 rounds ago, maybe 4... i was on the back section of the track... an area with little tv coverage, few fans... i saw Prado come through maybe riding 50% through that area... I COULD HAVE RIDDEN faster.... but he wasn't the only one "taking the section off".... there were lots of doods at essentially a trail riding pace in that area.... Jett and Hunter were riding full race pace there... to me, that's the difference... most of these guys are hurt, tired, and aint getn paid any extra if they finish 4th, or 34th....
Ok then....
Fill us in on some theories of how they could be cheating that would lead to them beating the field so badly.
I wouldn't go so far as to accuse any specific team of cheating, but at the top level of any sport cheating happens. If a team found a sneaky way to gain an advantage, they'd use it if they thought they had a good chance of getting away with it. That's not tin foil hat shit (interesting that was the first response), it's a fact borne out by the history of sports.
Motocross is no exception and it is not the squeaky clean sport a lot of you want it to be.
Ok then....that seems plausible for sure.
So fill us in on some theories of how they could be cheating that would lead to them beating the field so badly.
What does everyone think they can do to cheat? More power, more this , more that? You still have to ride the damn thing.
It's something Jett picked up during his time in Germany.
https://time.com/5752114/nazi-military-drugs/&ved=2ahUKEwic2_TU0MSOAxVwATQIHd76HAkQFnoECBkQAQ&usg
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Dudes just mad red is on top again like prime McGrath in the 90s
Every manufacturer has their periods of greatness, when they find riders that just jive with the machin and can make it happen every weekend.
The technical side of motor racing is and always will be about trying to find a mechanical advantage. Whether that means bending the rules, outright cheating, or doing something the rules don't cover, that's just the name of the game.
We happen to be fans of a sport where the machine doesn't play as large of a part. This isn't F1 or Moto GP. I'll bet you Jett and Hunter would be strong top 5 possible podium on showroom stock machines.
Could they be using some weird modern recovery techniques that really blur the line between what is PED and what isn't? Absolutely. The gypsy episode with doc G had some really interesting parts in that regard.
I don't believe that any of the major teams are cheating in a significant way, but I would be shocked if they weren't doing little things. That's just racing. At the end of the day there aren't an insane amount of rules governing what can and can't be done.
I agree with what you're saying pretty much fully.
I'm sure every rider on every Factory 450 Team is pushing the envelope as far as they are comfortable within the rules and what their resources will allow.
However, I don't think there is just something that the Lawrences specifically are doing that is allowing them to decimate the field like the OP is alluding to.
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