LA ICE protest

Sully wrote:

I wonder if that bag of snacks knows that California was only part of Mexico for 27 years?

aeffertz wrote:

What I don't get by a lot of the comments is that somehow a person working on US soil, assigned a tax number, paying taxes, checking...

What I don't get by a lot of the comments is that somehow a person working on US soil, assigned a tax number, paying taxes, checking in with ICE and following the protocol appointed to them while they wait to obtain their legal paperwork somehow is negatively affecting you? Rather they continue to work and exist as they have been for years as they wait for their legal paperwork, the better option is to deport and/or send them to slave prisons rather than offer them amnesty? A lot of these people are now married to Americans and have American children. These immigrants come here looking for a better life for themselves and families and often times can't afford to wait the up to 10 years it takes to get in because our system is extremely broken.

For fucks sake, Ronald Reagan offered amnesty to undocumented migrants (IRCA). It is actually better for our economy to offer amnesty to these undocumented immigrants vs mass deportations. If you think all or even the majority of undocumented immigrants are just here committing crimes, the numbers say otherwise.

BH_84 wrote:

It’s not just that I can’t stand Trump. If he were doing good things I’d accept it. But everything he does seems to follow the same...

It’s not just that I can’t stand Trump. If he were doing good things I’d accept it. But everything he does seems to follow the same pattern. He makes promises that sound good, then attempts to implement them in the dumbest, least thought out manner possible with no regard for his fellow man. He never takes accountability, and lies about any mistakes he makes. There is PLENTY of reason for me or anyone without blinders on to not like the guy. 

We have plenty of immigrants here, I’ve had co-workers from India, Mexico, Australia and beyond. They own most of the gas stations and corner stores around here. Honestly don’t think I’d notice if more showed up. 

as for your 5% guess, you’re off the mark there. 

From here: https://theconversation.com/who-are-immigrants-to-the-us-where-do-they-come-from-and-where-do-they-live-247430#:~:text=Instead%20of%20paying%20smugglers%20or,temporary%20tourist%2C%20student%20or%20work

“Instead of paying smugglers or risking their lives in the desert, growing numbers of undocumented immigrants now either directly approach immigration officials at airports or land-border crossings and seek asylum in the U.S. Others are initially admitted to the country legally on a temporary tourist, student or work visa – but then overstay the time period for which they have permission.

Additionally, growing numbers of undocumented immigrants occupy what might be called a “liminal” or “in-between” status. The Migration Policy Institute analysis estimates this encompasses a range of groups as of the middle of 2023, including:

About 2.1 million people awaiting a decision on their asylum claims.

521,000 parolees, allowed into the U.S. for humanitarian or national security reasons, like those paroled recently from Afghanistan and Ukraine.

654,000 people who hold temporary protected status because it would be unsafe for them to return home due to armed conflict, natural disasters and other emergencies.

562,000 who are protected by the Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivalsprogram because they were brought to the United States as children by their parents.”

Sully wrote:

Just by being in the country illegally, yes, 100% of them are committing at least one crime. A much easier argument could be made for the...

Just by being in the country illegally, yes, 100% of them are committing at least one crime. A much easier argument could be made for the majority being decent hardworking people, however, that's not the issue at hand. There's a process to entering the country legally and they didn't follow it. 

aeffertz wrote:

What I don't get by a lot of the comments is that somehow a person working on US soil, assigned a tax number, paying taxes, checking...

What I don't get by a lot of the comments is that somehow a person working on US soil, assigned a tax number, paying taxes, checking in with ICE and following the protocol appointed to them while they wait to obtain their legal paperwork somehow is negatively affecting you? Rather they continue to work and exist as they have been for years as they wait for their legal paperwork, the better option is to deport and/or send them to slave prisons rather than offer them amnesty? A lot of these people are now married to Americans and have American children. These immigrants come here looking for a better life for themselves and families and often times can't afford to wait the up to 10 years it takes to get in because our system is extremely broken.

For fucks sake, Ronald Reagan offered amnesty to undocumented migrants (IRCA). It is actually better for our economy to offer amnesty to these undocumented immigrants vs mass deportations. If you think all or even the majority of undocumented immigrants are just here committing crimes, the numbers say otherwise.

aeffertz wrote:

What I don't get by a lot of the comments is that somehow a person working on US soil, assigned a tax number, paying taxes, checking...

What I don't get by a lot of the comments is that somehow a person working on US soil, assigned a tax number, paying taxes, checking in with ICE and following the protocol appointed to them while they wait to obtain their legal paperwork somehow is negatively affecting you? Rather they continue to work and exist as they have been for years as they wait for their legal paperwork, the better option is to deport and/or send them to slave prisons rather than offer them amnesty? A lot of these people are now married to Americans and have American children. These immigrants come here looking for a better life for themselves and families and often times can't afford to wait the up to 10 years it takes to get in because our system is extremely broken.

For fucks sake, Ronald Reagan offered amnesty to undocumented migrants (IRCA). It is actually better for our economy to offer amnesty to these undocumented immigrants vs mass deportations. If you think all or even the majority of undocumented immigrants are just here committing crimes, the numbers say otherwise.

Sully wrote:

Just by being in the country illegally, yes, 100% of them are committing at least one crime. A much easier argument could be made for the...

Just by being in the country illegally, yes, 100% of them are committing at least one crime. A much easier argument could be made for the majority being decent hardworking people, however, that's not the issue at hand. There's a process to entering the country legally and they didn't follow it. 

Sully wrote:

Tokyo has a "fuuuuuuck load" more people living in a considerably smaller area and there has never been riots of this scale. And before you try...

Tokyo has a "fuuuuuuck load" more people living in a considerably smaller area and there has never been riots of this scale. And before you try and counter with "Japan doesn't value corporate profits over human wellbeing," there's a Japanese word (karōjisatsu) that literally translates to "overwork suicide," so, yeah, they do. The issue with these shithead rioters is 100% Democrat politicians allowing this shit to happen in their cities/states.

Sully wrote:

Tokyo has a "fuuuuuuck load" more people living in a considerably smaller area and there has never been riots of this scale. And before you try...

Tokyo has a "fuuuuuuck load" more people living in a considerably smaller area and there has never been riots of this scale. And before you try and counter with "Japan doesn't value corporate profits over human wellbeing," there's a Japanese word (karōjisatsu) that literally translates to "overwork suicide," so, yeah, they do. The issue with these shithead rioters is 100% Democrat politicians allowing this shit to happen in their cities/states.

akillerwombat wrote:

I'm not sure you could have drawn a worse comparison as Japan does nearly everything Republicans are against; they tax at a higher rate, they have...

I'm not sure you could have drawn a worse comparison as Japan does nearly everything Republicans are against; they tax at a higher rate, they have universal healthcare, there is a major emphasis on higher education (of which most is funded by the government), they have lower wealth disparity, and the general tone amongst the people is the importance of the collective over the individual which, among many other things, can be seen through their incredibly intricate and well functioning transportation system.

It's funny how that works, when you make life less of a struggle for your citizens, your citizens riot less.

akillerwombat wrote:

I think trying to paint it as a democrat vs republican issue is a moot point – and only serves as some of "gotcha" – as these...

I think trying to paint it as a democrat vs republican issue is a moot point – and only serves as some of "gotcha" – as these problems don't exist because they are "democrat or republican", they exist because there is (as I previously mentioned) too many people living in too small of a place in a framework that prioritizes company profit over human well being. The results of this is a lot of people amassing at both ends of the financial spectrum, which then increases the need for more social services (due to the people on the bottom end of the spectrum having little to no ability to survive in the expensive ecosystem that has developed), which in turn guides the cities towards more democrat leaning policies because they're the ones that believe in chasing a world in which allows all boats to rise with the tide.

LungButter wrote:

Fair enough.

aeffertz wrote:

What I don't get by a lot of the comments is that somehow a person working on US soil, assigned a tax number, paying taxes, checking...

What I don't get by a lot of the comments is that somehow a person working on US soil, assigned a tax number, paying taxes, checking in with ICE and following the protocol appointed to them while they wait to obtain their legal paperwork somehow is negatively affecting you? Rather they continue to work and exist as they have been for years as they wait for their legal paperwork, the better option is to deport and/or send them to slave prisons rather than offer them amnesty? A lot of these people are now married to Americans and have American children. These immigrants come here looking for a better life for themselves and families and often times can't afford to wait the up to 10 years it takes to get in because our system is extremely broken.

For fucks sake, Ronald Reagan offered amnesty to undocumented migrants (IRCA). It is actually better for our economy to offer amnesty to these undocumented immigrants vs mass deportations. If you think all or even the majority of undocumented immigrants are just here committing crimes, the numbers say otherwise.

Sully wrote:

Just by being in the country illegally, yes, 100% of them are committing at least one crime. A much easier argument could be made for the...

Just by being in the country illegally, yes, 100% of them are committing at least one crime. A much easier argument could be made for the majority being decent hardworking people, however, that's not the issue at hand. There's a process to entering the country legally and they didn't follow it. 

aeffertz wrote:

Couple of things... Being in the US illegally is considered a civil offense. So deportation as a punishment is a valid option, imprisonment shouldn't even be...

Couple of things... Being in the US illegally is considered a civil offense. So deportation as a punishment is a valid option, imprisonment shouldn't even be considered unless its a repeat offender or has other prior criminal charges. A huge portion of illegal immigration is people coming into the US via legal, temporary means and then just not leaving. (See: Elon or Melania for famous examples)

The other thing is to know that you and the other poster's similar positions is the unpopular position in the US, regardless of the fearmongering being fed to you.

"When framed as a choice, voters prefer a pathway to citizenship over mass deportation by a large margin. Providing a pathway to citizenship remains the far more popular approach to handling undocumented immigrants. On behalf of the Immigration Hub, Global Strategy Group and BSP Research recently conducted a poll in battleground states and found that by a 22-point margin, voters prefer a pathway to citizenship over mass deportation. Among the Hispanic sample, that margin is 64 points and even a majority of Republican Hispanics prefer the pathway to citizenship approach.

These findings are validated by a recent Pew Research poll, showing similar results. Pew Research found very similar numbers in their April 2024 poll showing that 59% of voters believe that undocumented immigrants “should be allowed to stay in the country legally, if certain requirements are met” vs. 41% who say “they should not be able to stay in the country legally.”

- https://theimmigrationhub.org/article/voters-overwhelming-support-pathway-to-citizenship-over-mass-deportation/ 

So it's almost like when the majority of the population is against mass deportations, people will get upset and protest when the administration kicks mass deportations into high-gear. 

aeffertz wrote:

What I don't get by a lot of the comments is that somehow a person working on US soil, assigned a tax number, paying taxes, checking...

What I don't get by a lot of the comments is that somehow a person working on US soil, assigned a tax number, paying taxes, checking in with ICE and following the protocol appointed to them while they wait to obtain their legal paperwork somehow is negatively affecting you? Rather they continue to work and exist as they have been for years as they wait for their legal paperwork, the better option is to deport and/or send them to slave prisons rather than offer them amnesty? A lot of these people are now married to Americans and have American children. These immigrants come here looking for a better life for themselves and families and often times can't afford to wait the up to 10 years it takes to get in because our system is extremely broken.

For fucks sake, Ronald Reagan offered amnesty to undocumented migrants (IRCA). It is actually better for our economy to offer amnesty to these undocumented immigrants vs mass deportations. If you think all or even the majority of undocumented immigrants are just here committing crimes, the numbers say otherwise.

truck wrote:

None of that drivel changes the fact that the city in question fits your original criteria quite well...... "I do believe there is a single common denominator...

None of that drivel changes the fact that the city in question fits your original criteria quite well...... 

"I do believe there is a single common denominator between all these big cities that have their problems, it's that there are a fuuuuuuuck load of people living in a very small space in a system that is designed to prioritize corporate profits over human wellbeing."

Sully wrote:

In the link you gave (which didn't have a date attached), two of the polls that were cited came from 2024 (Axios & Pew), and the...

In the link you gave (which didn't have a date attached), two of the polls that were cited came from 2024 (Axios & Pew), and the third (Newsweek, dated yesterday) actually shows the exact opposite of what you're saying. So does this CBS article dated yesterday: https://www.cbsnews.com/news/deportation-immigration-opinion-poll/

akillerwombat wrote:

Because we were having a solid back and forth...I just got back from the protest I planned on attending and it was super chill. There were...

Because we were having a solid back and forth...

I just got back from the protest I planned on attending and it was super chill. There were a few public officials talking about plans and goals and needs, a few people handing out flyers for lawyers that are offering pro bono services to folks should they need it, and a few folks handing out waters and snacks. Not sure how many people there were though I'd guess somewhere south of a thousand but higher than five hundred. The general energy was overwhelmingly positive. I've only been to church a few times in my life but it gave me moments of "church like" vibes with people being loud, positive, and in unison. A bunch of cars driving by were honking, the police were chilling inside, and it all went down without any violence or destruction on either side.

That's not to say all protests are that way (clearly) but it feels worthwhile to share my first hand non-violent experience with you.

And with that, BBQ time. Have a good one!

LungButter wrote:

Do you feel as though there is a single common denominator between all these big cities that have their problems?

🤔

akillerwombat wrote:

I do believe there is a single common denominator between all these big cities that have their problems, it's that there are a fuuuuuuuck load of...

I do believe there is a single common denominator between all these big cities that have their problems, it's that there are a fuuuuuuuck load of people living in a very small space in a system that is designed to prioritize corporate profits over human wellbeing. 

truck wrote:

None of that drivel changes the fact that the city in question fits your original criteria quite well...... "I do believe there is a single common denominator...

None of that drivel changes the fact that the city in question fits your original criteria quite well...... 

"I do believe there is a single common denominator between all these big cities that have their problems, it's that there are a fuuuuuuuck load of people living in a very small space in a system that is designed to prioritize corporate profits over human wellbeing."

akillerwombat wrote:

It's amazing the length you guys will go to justify the insane shit that gets peddled around this place yet you can't (or wont)...

It's amazing the length you guys will go to justify the insane shit that gets peddled around this place yet you can't (or wont) take a swing at assuming I'm talking in extremes.

"I do believe there is a single common denominator between all these big cities that have their problems, it's that there are a fuuuuuuuck load of people living in a very small space in a system that is designed to drastically prioritize corporate profits over human wellbeing."

Better?

TeamGreen wrote:

Damn

They really got to you with the Marxist-Leninist shit. 

akillerwombat wrote:

My views were shaped by a bunch of red blooded rural Americans that sent my generation to die in a pointless war, saddled us with crippling...

My views were shaped by a bunch of red blooded rural Americans that sent my generation to die in a pointless war, saddled us with crippling student debt, allowed healthcare costs to run rampant, made housing insanely unaffordable, were dumb enough to believe in the concept of "give to the rich so they can choose to share it with the poor... if they want", "corporations are people", "gay marriage is for the devil", were terrified of the world outside our walls (even more so of their policies) and have decided to dedicate their remaining years on this planet to punching down, bitching about, and blaming literally everyone but themselves for the problems they created.

I forget, is that Marxist or Leninist?

Last2Stroke wrote:

How many US citizens carry their birth certificate, passport, or citizenship certificate on their person?You are stopped by ICE, they ask to see your documents, you...

How many US citizens carry their birth certificate, passport, or citizenship certificate on their person?

You are stopped by ICE, they ask to see your documents, you show them your driver's license, they say that is not proof of citizenship, you are detained and put on a plane to El Salvador, enjoy your flight!

LOOnatic wrote:

You Sir very eloquently make the case of why it's so dangerous that liberal democrats have caused us by issuing state ID'S to ilegals. It sows confusion...

You Sir very eloquently make the case of why it's so dangerous that liberal democrats have caused us by issuing state ID'S to ilegals.

 

It sows confusion when it comes to accountability. 

 

Thank you for connecting the dots of  Captain Obvious 

Last2Stroke wrote:

Blockbuster membership cards, Costco membership cards, Credit cards, driver's license, FAA pilot license, state ID's are not accept forms of proof of citizenship!Don't forget to always...

Blockbuster membership cards, Costco membership cards, Credit cards, driver's license, FAA pilot license, state ID's are not accept forms of proof of citizenship!

Don't forget to always carry you birth certificate, or passport, or citizenship certificate on your person, ready to present to ICE when requested.

LOOnatic wrote:

You Sir very eloquently make the case of why it's so dangerous that liberal democrats have caused us by issuing state ID'S to ilegals. It sows confusion...

You Sir very eloquently make the case of why it's so dangerous that liberal democrats have caused us by issuing state ID'S to ilegals.

 

It sows confusion when it comes to accountability. 

 

Thank you for connecting the dots of  Captain Obvious 

Last2Stroke wrote:

Blockbuster membership cards, Costco membership cards, Credit cards, driver's license, FAA pilot license, state ID's are not accept forms of proof of citizenship!Don't forget to always...

Blockbuster membership cards, Costco membership cards, Credit cards, driver's license, FAA pilot license, state ID's are not accept forms of proof of citizenship!

Don't forget to always carry you birth certificate, or passport, or citizenship certificate on your person, ready to present to ICE when requested.

Cool_Hand_Luke wrote:

You make this too easy, Captain Kangaroo. Per California DMV. Went into effect May 7, 2025https://www.dmv.ca.gov/portal/driver-licenses-identification-cards/real-id/what-is-real-id/

You make this too easy, Captain Kangaroo. Per California DMV. Went into effect May 7, 2025

https://www.dmv.ca.gov/portal/driver-licenses-identification-cards/real…

TeamGreen wrote:

Damn

They really got to you with the Marxist-Leninist shit. 

akillerwombat wrote:

My views were shaped by a bunch of red blooded rural Americans that sent my generation to die in a pointless war, saddled us with crippling...

My views were shaped by a bunch of red blooded rural Americans that sent my generation to die in a pointless war, saddled us with crippling student debt, allowed healthcare costs to run rampant, made housing insanely unaffordable, were dumb enough to believe in the concept of "give to the rich so they can choose to share it with the poor... if they want", "corporations are people", "gay marriage is for the devil", were terrified of the world outside our walls (even more so of their policies) and have decided to dedicate their remaining years on this planet to punching down, bitching about, and blaming literally everyone but themselves for the problems they created.

I forget, is that Marxist or Leninist?

Sully wrote:

Tokyo has a "fuuuuuuck load" more people living in a considerably smaller area and there has never been riots of this scale. And before you try...

Tokyo has a "fuuuuuuck load" more people living in a considerably smaller area and there has never been riots of this scale. And before you try and counter with "Japan doesn't value corporate profits over human wellbeing," there's a Japanese word (karōjisatsu) that literally translates to "overwork suicide," so, yeah, they do. The issue with these shithead rioters is 100% Democrat politicians allowing this shit to happen in their cities/states.

akillerwombat wrote:

I'm not sure you could have drawn a worse comparison as Japan does nearly everything Republicans are against; they tax at a higher rate, they have...

I'm not sure you could have drawn a worse comparison as Japan does nearly everything Republicans are against; they tax at a higher rate, they have universal healthcare, there is a major emphasis on higher education (of which most is funded by the government), they have lower wealth disparity, and the general tone amongst the people is the importance of the collective over the individual which, among many other things, can be seen through their incredibly intricate and well functioning transportation system.

It's funny how that works, when you make life less of a struggle for your citizens, your citizens riot less.

EVH4Ever wrote:

What stage of TDS is this?

What stage of TDS is this? pic.twitter.com/Gb2gSbYJGp

— Breaking911 (@Breaking911) June 10, 2025

akillerwombat wrote:

Because we were having a solid back and forth...I just got back from the protest I planned on attending and it was super chill. There were...

Because we were having a solid back and forth...

I just got back from the protest I planned on attending and it was super chill. There were a few public officials talking about plans and goals and needs, a few people handing out flyers for lawyers that are offering pro bono services to folks should they need it, and a few folks handing out waters and snacks. Not sure how many people there were though I'd guess somewhere south of a thousand but higher than five hundred. The general energy was overwhelmingly positive. I've only been to church a few times in my life but it gave me moments of "church like" vibes with people being loud, positive, and in unison. A bunch of cars driving by were honking, the police were chilling inside, and it all went down without any violence or destruction on either side.

That's not to say all protests are that way (clearly) but it feels worthwhile to share my first hand non-violent experience with you.

And with that, BBQ time. Have a good one!

vet323 wrote:

Not for nothing, but Tokyo is probably the most racially homogeneous large city in the world. Most societies that have successful large-scale social programs are similar...

Not for nothing, but Tokyo is probably the most racially homogeneous large city in the world. Most societies that have successful large-scale social programs are similar in their lack of diversity. 

I'm sure you probably don't want to copy that part of their culture, though, do you?