Is Prado going to make it work ?

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Real question is how’s Prado feel with Sexton coming in. Is/was Prado Kawis number 1 rider, does Kawi now have two number 1 riders, or is Prado going to be the number 2 rider is Sexton does go to Kawi next year?

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Foreigners never do good in the US. I don't even know why they come over here. I don't know why US teams even hire them.

The fan's don't like em. They get booed all the time. They talk funny. They call riding gear kit instead of riding gear. They don't run laps, they run circuits of endurance. They call the one twenty five class the one two five class. 

American motocross should be for Americans.

 

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Foreigners never do good in the US. I don't even know why they come over here. I don't know why US teams even hire them.The fan's...

Foreigners never do good in the US. I don't even know why they come over here. I don't know why US teams even hire them.

The fan's don't like em. They get booed all the time. They talk funny. They call riding gear kit instead of riding gear. They don't run laps, they run circuits of endurance. They call the one twenty five class the one two five class. 

American motocross should be for Americans.

 

Losing against foreign riders must have an impact on your brain.You need therapy!

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Foreigners never do good in the US. I don't even know why they come over here. I don't know why US teams even hire them.The fan's...

Foreigners never do good in the US. I don't even know why they come over here. I don't know why US teams even hire them.

The fan's don't like em. They get booed all the time. They talk funny. They call riding gear kit instead of riding gear. They don't run laps, they run circuits of endurance. They call the one twenty five class the one two five class. 

American motocross should be for Americans.

 

That’s enough internet for you today Donald 😂

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The differences between MXGP and our MX series don't appear that significant on the surface...I mean, it's guys riding dirt bikes on dirt tracks.  But, historically...

The differences between MXGP and our MX series don't appear that significant on the surface...I mean, it's guys riding dirt bikes on dirt tracks.  But, historically very few have had great success trying their hand at the opposite series.

It'd be interesting to interview the few that have made it work to see if there's something they have in common that others don't. 

The really interesting thing about Prado is that he’s the first 250/450F GP champion to make the move since Tortelli.

Plenty of MX2 guys have come across and seen success (although curiously while the majority have picked up regional SX titles only Langston and Ferrandis have managed win outdoor titles).

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plowboy wrote:
The differences between MXGP and our MX series don't appear that significant on the surface...I mean, it's guys riding dirt bikes on dirt tracks.  But, historically...

The differences between MXGP and our MX series don't appear that significant on the surface...I mean, it's guys riding dirt bikes on dirt tracks.  But, historically very few have had great success trying their hand at the opposite series.

It'd be interesting to interview the few that have made it work to see if there's something they have in common that others don't. 

ando wrote:
The really interesting thing about Prado is that he’s the first 250/450F GP champion to make the move since Tortelli.Plenty of MX2 guys have come across...

The really interesting thing about Prado is that he’s the first 250/450F GP champion to make the move since Tortelli.

Plenty of MX2 guys have come across and seen success (although curiously while the majority have picked up regional SX titles only Langston and Ferrandis have managed win outdoor titles).

Damn you did Kenny dirty. 😂 Dude has been an american citizen for like 2 weeks and people already forgot that he came from europe aswell lmao. 😭

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Foreigners never do good in the US. I don't even know why they come over here. I don't know why US teams even hire them.The fan's...

Foreigners never do good in the US. I don't even know why they come over here. I don't know why US teams even hire them.

The fan's don't like em. They get booed all the time. They talk funny. They call riding gear kit instead of riding gear. They don't run laps, they run circuits of endurance. They call the one twenty five class the one two five class. 

American motocross should be for Americans.

 

Weak ragebait.

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4/24/2025 1:56am Edited Date/Time 4/24/2025 1:58am
ohh_454 wrote:
Real question is how’s Prado feel with Sexton coming in. Is/was Prado Kawis number 1 rider, does Kawi now have two number 1 riders, or is...

Real question is how’s Prado feel with Sexton coming in. Is/was Prado Kawis number 1 rider, does Kawi now have two number 1 riders, or is Prado going to be the number 2 rider is Sexton does go to Kawi next year?

No, if Sexton’s go there he’ll be the second rider, at least outdoors. When it comes to SX it’ll probably be the opposite.

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Foreigners never do good in the US. I don't even know why they come over here. I don't know why US teams even hire them.The fan's...

Foreigners never do good in the US. I don't even know why they come over here. I don't know why US teams even hire them.

The fan's don't like em. They get booed all the time. They talk funny. They call riding gear kit instead of riding gear. They don't run laps, they run circuits of endurance. They call the one twenty five class the one two five class. 

American motocross should be for Americans.

 

Pretty sure this is sarcasm!  😉  I would like to see Prado do well, I want more top euro riders to come here, though I do enjoy watching MXGP as well.  

Also curious to see how it works out at Kawi if Prado and Sexton are both there, dang, that would be quite the combo, at least outdoors.  Really worried we lose Sexton for future MXON races though if Kawi keeps their stance on not doing Nations if Decoster is manager.

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Has anyone that is based and trains in california won the 450 championship in the last 10 years ? is it possible even ? seems like...

Has anyone that is based and trains in california won the 450 championship in the last 10 years ? is it possible even ? seems like you would be in a huge disadvantage against a compound with good tracks and no slow riders to dodge all day long. Seems like a odd move from his side but maby he needs to be there for the ease of testing with the team close by.

I don’t know if you have been at a normal practice track in Holland or Belgium but they are really crowded and filled with small bikes, quads, sidecar bikes, VET’s and GP riders.


There are no training facilities to hide in when it comes to European ground, and he became a multi-time world champion training on those tracks and conditions. 

I don’t have all the stats in my head but I’m pretty sure that he beat most or all the American riders at a American MXdN on his 250f while training that way in Europe.


So no, I doubt that not being on a training facility will be his main issue here. And often times those facilities seems to create another type of problem. A false secure or what I should call it.

They ride on the same track each day more or less with the same riders. They get their bike to work great there and then all of a sudden when they go and race on a track that don’t have the perfect dirt the practice track have all of a sudden the bike setup is out of the window. So I think he can actually benefit from riding at real tracks.


The heat and humidity will be his biggest enemy during the summer.

And considering the broad span of different tracks the GP riders ride and races on in different countries and conditions, both GP’s and national championships they race on the off weekends I would say that adapting to new tracks is something a GP rider have a easier way to do than a AMA rider.

Just look at Herlings Ironman ride what a GP rider can be capable of.


Now, do I think that Prado will be at the same level as Jett? No… no rider in the world is that over a whole season if the kid is healthy, but when the season is done and if Prado don’t hurt him self I could see him having a 3rd place as his average moto finishes over the season. 

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plowboy wrote:
The differences between MXGP and our MX series don't appear that significant on the surface...I mean, it's guys riding dirt bikes on dirt tracks.  But, historically...

The differences between MXGP and our MX series don't appear that significant on the surface...I mean, it's guys riding dirt bikes on dirt tracks.  But, historically very few have had great success trying their hand at the opposite series.

It'd be interesting to interview the few that have made it work to see if there's something they have in common that others don't. 

ando wrote:
The really interesting thing about Prado is that he’s the first 250/450F GP champion to make the move since Tortelli.Plenty of MX2 guys have come across...

The really interesting thing about Prado is that he’s the first 250/450F GP champion to make the move since Tortelli.

Plenty of MX2 guys have come across and seen success (although curiously while the majority have picked up regional SX titles only Langston and Ferrandis have managed win outdoor titles).

Mavetism wrote:
Damn you did Kenny dirty. 😂 Dude has been an american citizen for like 2 weeks and people already forgot that he came from europe aswell...

Damn you did Kenny dirty. 😂 Dude has been an american citizen for like 2 weeks and people already forgot that he came from europe aswell lmao. 😭

Damn, I’d noted Ken when looking up the results but forgot to add him!

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Foreigners never do good in the US. I don't even know why they come over here. I don't know why US teams even hire them.The fan's...

Foreigners never do good in the US. I don't even know why they come over here. I don't know why US teams even hire them.

The fan's don't like em. They get booed all the time. They talk funny. They call riding gear kit instead of riding gear. They don't run laps, they run circuits of endurance. They call the one twenty five class the one two five class. 

American motocross should be for Americans.

 

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ohh_454 wrote:
Real question is how’s Prado feel with Sexton coming in. Is/was Prado Kawis number 1 rider, does Kawi now have two number 1 riders, or is...

Real question is how’s Prado feel with Sexton coming in. Is/was Prado Kawis number 1 rider, does Kawi now have two number 1 riders, or is Prado going to be the number 2 rider is Sexton does go to Kawi next year?

Rickard21 wrote:

No, if Sexton’s go there he’ll be the second rider, at least outdoors. When it comes to SX it’ll probably be the opposite.

Sexton is defending 450 MX champ and even if he doesn't win SX this year he has 5 wins. How could he possibly be #2 to Prado? 1A and 1B maybe.

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We are honored to have Prado here racing in USA!  Now with that out of the way… can we get an updated photo of the sister 👌

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ohh_454 wrote:
Real question is how’s Prado feel with Sexton coming in. Is/was Prado Kawis number 1 rider, does Kawi now have two number 1 riders, or is...

Real question is how’s Prado feel with Sexton coming in. Is/was Prado Kawis number 1 rider, does Kawi now have two number 1 riders, or is Prado going to be the number 2 rider is Sexton does go to Kawi next year?

Rickard21 wrote:

No, if Sexton’s go there he’ll be the second rider, at least outdoors. When it comes to SX it’ll probably be the opposite.

TAUTOG wrote:
Sexton is defending 450 MX champ and even if he doesn't win SX this year he has 5 wins. How could he possibly be #2 to...

Sexton is defending 450 MX champ and even if he doesn't win SX this year he has 5 wins. How could he possibly be #2 to Prado? 1A and 1B maybe.

It will be interesting to see Sexton's speed and endurance in outdoors vs Prado's starts.

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ohh_454 wrote:
Real question is how’s Prado feel with Sexton coming in. Is/was Prado Kawis number 1 rider, does Kawi now have two number 1 riders, or is...

Real question is how’s Prado feel with Sexton coming in. Is/was Prado Kawis number 1 rider, does Kawi now have two number 1 riders, or is Prado going to be the number 2 rider is Sexton does go to Kawi next year?

Rickard21 wrote:

No, if Sexton’s go there he’ll be the second rider, at least outdoors. When it comes to SX it’ll probably be the opposite.

Chase is a champ outdoors as well, I don’t think Prado walks from Chase outdoors. 

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Has anyone that is based and trains in california won the 450 championship in the last 10 years ? is it possible even ? seems like...

Has anyone that is based and trains in california won the 450 championship in the last 10 years ? is it possible even ? seems like you would be in a huge disadvantage against a compound with good tracks and no slow riders to dodge all day long. Seems like a odd move from his side but maby he needs to be there for the ease of testing with the team close by.

Tumic wrote:
I don’t know if you have been at a normal practice track in Holland or Belgium but they are really crowded and filled with small bikes...

I don’t know if you have been at a normal practice track in Holland or Belgium but they are really crowded and filled with small bikes, quads, sidecar bikes, VET’s and GP riders.


There are no training facilities to hide in when it comes to European ground, and he became a multi-time world champion training on those tracks and conditions. 

I don’t have all the stats in my head but I’m pretty sure that he beat most or all the American riders at a American MXdN on his 250f while training that way in Europe.


So no, I doubt that not being on a training facility will be his main issue here. And often times those facilities seems to create another type of problem. A false secure or what I should call it.

They ride on the same track each day more or less with the same riders. They get their bike to work great there and then all of a sudden when they go and race on a track that don’t have the perfect dirt the practice track have all of a sudden the bike setup is out of the window. So I think he can actually benefit from riding at real tracks.


The heat and humidity will be his biggest enemy during the summer.

And considering the broad span of different tracks the GP riders ride and races on in different countries and conditions, both GP’s and national championships they race on the off weekends I would say that adapting to new tracks is something a GP rider have a easier way to do than a AMA rider.

Just look at Herlings Ironman ride what a GP rider can be capable of.


Now, do I think that Prado will be at the same level as Jett? No… no rider in the world is that over a whole season if the kid is healthy, but when the season is done and if Prado don’t hurt him self I could see him having a 3rd place as his average moto finishes over the season. 

Yes Prado did beat all the US riders at the RedBud MXdN, although one of his competitors this summer finished in front of him in one moto, but that was Hunter Lawrence. 
Imo another thing of note from that event is the difference in the lines that developed, as mentioned by @blockhead17 on page 1. However no doubt Prado’s been in the US long enough to adapt. 
But I still think it’s an interesting and often understated variation.

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My favorite part of this thread is all the discourse from someone misinterpreting "parking lot tracks" as meaning "flat, smooth tracks". 

The original poster obviously meant how GPs race on man made tracks in car parks, as well as legendary tracks. Prado will adapt just fine to the new tracks over here.

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Prado will  be fine !!!

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I see prado has the same patented kawi squeaky brakes that eli used to have, anyone know why its just 450 factory kawis that do this?

 


 

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There's always a learning curve stateside, world champion or not.  Bayle came in and won a bunch right away but that's the list.

Raw speed wise Tortelli was probably the fastest to ever come over, and he won races, but had some injury issues as well.  Just never know.

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New tracks, different prep, one day format, different bike set up, fuel spec on and on. He'll be fast for sure but Vialle most recently didn't come over and dominate and how many world titles does he have? He'll get there for sure but I'll bet he's good for 2 wins this season.

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Foreigners never do good in the US. I don't even know why they come over here. I don't know why US teams even hire them.The fan's...

Foreigners never do good in the US. I don't even know why they come over here. I don't know why US teams even hire them.

The fan's don't like em. They get booed all the time. They talk funny. They call riding gear kit instead of riding gear. They don't run laps, they run circuits of endurance. They call the one twenty five class the one two five class. 

American motocross should be for Americans.

 

"Foreigners never do good in the US."

cough *Jett Lawrence* cough

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Prado will be training at ClubMX in May. He’s not limited to California.

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Foreigners never do good in the US. I don't even know why they come over here. I don't know why US teams even hire them.The fan's...

Foreigners never do good in the US. I don't even know why they come over here. I don't know why US teams even hire them.

The fan's don't like em. They get booed all the time. They talk funny. They call riding gear kit instead of riding gear. They don't run laps, they run circuits of endurance. They call the one twenty five class the one two five class. 

American motocross should be for Americans.

 

"Foreigners never do good in the US."

cough *Jett Lawrence* cough

dylan , Kenny , marv , pourcel, tyla rattray , reedy , brett metcalfe & the list go on & on on 😂😂

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Foreigners never do good in the US. I don't even know why they come over here. I don't know why US teams even hire them.The fan's...

Foreigners never do good in the US. I don't even know why they come over here. I don't know why US teams even hire them.

The fan's don't like em. They get booed all the time. They talk funny. They call riding gear kit instead of riding gear. They don't run laps, they run circuits of endurance. They call the one twenty five class the one two five class. 

American motocross should be for Americans.

 

"Foreigners never do good in the US."

cough *Jett Lawrence* cough

stewie94 wrote:

dylan , Kenny , marv , pourcel, tyla rattray , reedy , brett metcalfe & the list go on & on on 😂😂

In the last five years of the Nationals, of a total of 30 overall podium positions that have been decided in the 250s and 450 standings:
16 have been American riders and 14 foreigners.

Big Boring can wallow in his ignorant bliss while the rest of us enjoy the racing that’s made better by the inclusion of the internationals.

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"Foreigners never do good in the US."

cough *Jett Lawrence* cough

stewie94 wrote:

dylan , Kenny , marv , pourcel, tyla rattray , reedy , brett metcalfe & the list go on & on on 😂😂

CPR wrote:
In the last five years of the Nationals, of a total of 30 overall podium positions that have been decided in the 250s and 450 standings:16...

In the last five years of the Nationals, of a total of 30 overall podium positions that have been decided in the 250s and 450 standings:
16 have been American riders and 14 foreigners.

Big Boring can wallow in his ignorant bliss while the rest of us enjoy the racing that’s made better by the inclusion of the internationals.

I think you guys are all being trolled

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stewie94 wrote:

dylan , Kenny , marv , pourcel, tyla rattray , reedy , brett metcalfe & the list go on & on on 😂😂

CPR wrote:
In the last five years of the Nationals, of a total of 30 overall podium positions that have been decided in the 250s and 450 standings:16...

In the last five years of the Nationals, of a total of 30 overall podium positions that have been decided in the 250s and 450 standings:
16 have been American riders and 14 foreigners.

Big Boring can wallow in his ignorant bliss while the rest of us enjoy the racing that’s made better by the inclusion of the internationals.

I think you guys are all being trolled

Oh no doubt, nobody’s that stupid……..are they?

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CPR wrote:
In the last five years of the Nationals, of a total of 30 overall podium positions that have been decided in the 250s and 450 standings:16...

In the last five years of the Nationals, of a total of 30 overall podium positions that have been decided in the 250s and 450 standings:
16 have been American riders and 14 foreigners.

Big Boring can wallow in his ignorant bliss while the rest of us enjoy the racing that’s made better by the inclusion of the internationals.

I think you guys are all being trolled

CPR wrote:

Oh no doubt, nobody’s that stupid……..are they?

I could give the guy a run for his money I am sure

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It’s recent trend for riders to train in Florida or southeast. But Tomac does well in Colorado. Prado is a badass at moto so I’m sure he will adjust as necessary. 

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