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Can any of you make a cogent argument for why a ceasefire is merely enough and security guarantees aren’t necessary?
Provided that a favorable minerals deal is reached (which I think the US is entitled to)
Oh Magoo, how could I forget you, you must have felt left out. Not sure what "narrative" you're referring to, I just watched the video and can see with my own two eyes how much of a small man Trump is. That's all. But thanks for adding nothing useful to the conversation as usual.
Oceania, Eurasia, Eastasia
Welcome to the new world order
Im glad orange man sent the ungrateful lil bitch packin'
All that cash sent over there and thats how the stand up comic acts?
Dont let the big white door hit you on the ass on your way out.
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Another excellent and rational MPJC post on Vital.
Just for the record. I totally agree Putin is a bad actor and completely untrustworthy. I think the same things about little-man Zalensky....but not in the same league as Putin. I have nothing against Ukraine, other than the corruption. ...but hell, we have our own corruption here in the US, one only needs to look at the damn government. I feel for the good people, the little people who pay the price for these idiotic games because of greed, ego and power.
It’s not much of a deal of no security agreements for Ukraine
Putin didn't do anything under Trump because the world was dealing with Covid. Did u notice there was very little conflict during that time? And Ya, during Obama, everyone sort of ignored what Russia did, and look where it got us. And now u suggest we do that again and just let Russia do what it wants? How many more times do we allow that?
Yes, it's always the little people that suffer while the war pigs play their games. Like Black Sabbath said "treating people like they're pawns in chess, wait til their judgment day comes".
These are leaders And they are rolling in their graves. I wanted to believe President Trump had a plan, but today proved it’s just a grift. Disappointment doesn’t begin to describe how I feel.
We can believe he is doing other things well, and call him out for being wrong here. Or are we just so partisan we have to blindly follow everything he says or does.
Scott you and I agree some things and sometimes not. We're just going to be on opposite sides on this topic.
Without the US over the last 100+ years, the world would be a very different place. That's not bragging, it's just a fact.
The US is not abandoning it's allies and friends in the world. All we're looking for is for countries to carry the load WITH us.
What about the fuckton of MY money they already got? He may not like the deal and certainly can refuse it, but cant the little shit at least be diplomatic while he is in the AMERICAN PEOPLES house after he got all my money? And I mean, a LOT of my money already?
according to your above reply to MPJC , we are not that far away on this topic either, we just differ on the way it needs to get there,
your right, the world would be very different with out USA inserting itself into may conflicts, in someways it would be better, and some worse, not all interventions have been good,
i dont have an opinion if USA leaving Nato or other security agreements is good or bad, where i live, its going to effect me the least, (its one of the good things about being at the bottom of the world, far from most the population) i can see some good things coming out of it to if it happens,
The us is turning its back on literally every country, 51st state bullshit. Sad watching the demise of the once great usa
Came home to see the msm bullshit on all of this.
As usual, lots of media parroting, word for word, being posted here.
We claim mineral or ? Has been a part of helping a country out in war. War is totally stupid. Ask the Indians they won most of the battles especially if it was even. Fort Wayne in Indiana word got out all the Military was there. A few Tribes from Wi. A couple from Mi., Ohio & Indiana. Went there and killed 80% of the military. Winning a war doesn’t promise you your country or your Land and Freedom.Politics always wins. I had copies made on the Reservation a couple hrs ago . I enter & instantly a 60+ Indian woman what can I help you with. Of course I say She^ Koli hellow when I enter . There Super cool . Pic of a chill area to take a break from computer training or ged classes . They called it Turtle Island b4 it was America.
You say Putin want to get USSR back. Can you please educate me what republics (countries) he got so far and witch ones in danger been taken over by Putin. As far as my knowledge goes :Zelenski was install ( not elected) to provoke war with Russia for money laundering purpose By globalists. Very simple: no NATO in Ukraine = no war. And please don't tell me POS who stoll millions and owns 13 houses in different countries ( bought house in Israel for his parents for 9 mmillion dollars) have his best interest in Ukranian piople . Just my HOP
Your money probably was spent on US military hardware that is being tested and perfected in Ukraine fighting what has been our enemy.
And for all the MAGA saying they're sick of the US protecting everyone. This is by design, look at our military spread around the entire planet. Its not just in Ukraine , it's everywhere. Most of these countries didn't beg us for those military bases, or weapons, the US wanted it and benefited from it. Now Trump seems to want to end that, but I don't think he has a plan for the ramifications of doing that so abruptly.
Hobbes I believe to be incorrect in his assessment of humanity. However I will admit it will take a leap of faith so to speak in order to strive towards utopia as you say (please take note that I say strive towards, as I don’t necessarily think it’s achievable, but it should be the goal). The leap of faith will involve us to know without doubt that we (plants, animals, humans, and soil) all share a common fate and that what is good for you is also good for me. Which is to say; we are only as good as our weakest link. Which is to say; do unto others as you would have done onto yourself. I am not a believer in science as the end all but I do believe science (quantum mechanics?) pretty much proves this point that we are all connected on an energetic level. All forms of life (and even forms which most do not consider life) effect and influence eachother. That is the “leap of faith” needed, which truly is not such a leap.
Also, before I digress to much, let me just say that Anarchy is the mother of order. Once authority is stripped from those that rule from above and taken back by the individual, great responsibility will come with that as now, coupled with our “leap of faith”, I as much as any man has the power to shape the world.
What the world looks like then I think is hardly imaginable. It is like asking a blind man to describe a color he’s never seen. Though I think even a blind man can see the modality we’ve structured our lives around is not sustainable one and must be drastically altered.
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Not that it will change your mind, but he never bought house in Israel. He was a wealthy man before he became president with apartments in Italy and Black Sea area. He owns a lot of entertainment companies. He was elected with 75% support.
What Putin want`s is Russian empire back. Head of russian church publically called him czar.
What he wants is Russian empire borders. That`s to Karpatian mountains to prevent from attacks or as a natural defense line. That means Ukraine, Moldova. Poland as a buffer zone. Control of the Baltic sea is a must, that mean he has to take Latvia Lithuania and Estonia.
Oh, and war started in 2014. Zelensky was elected in 2019.
Yeah, I’ll admit, I’m a cynical, pessimistic old cuss. But human nature is very difficult to nail down because humans are capable of both great good and tremendous evil. The real problem if we are only as good as our weakest link is we’ve got way too many weak links.
The difference between man and monkey isn’t a light switch, it’s a dimmer, and it’s turned way the fuck down.
The phrase, “Don’t bite the hand that feeds you” comes to mind…
I think that the biggest issue was in something that Vance said about Zelensky meeting with ‘the opposition’ before our election.
Z, s wife bought a billion dollar car last yr. According to a Ukraine driver at my last co I was the only 1 that knew English. The co is operated from Ukraine & all the drivers but me are from there. There crooks just like all the Eastern European co.s. I go home for time off & they bagged all my stuff & dumped a stew type of food all ovr it in the summer heat 200+ degrees in the cab. Smelt like dead bodies. I had to throw a lot of stuff& cloths out. Crook said a truck broke down . He called a driver put him in the truck no drug test or paper work done & ran loads on my 4 days off. F ing dick move to give you an idea of how they do buisness here. And he charges me 300 bucks. A lot of Me 1st with Eastern Europeans . I 1st I More important. A 6,6 guy said I 1st when I,m texted hit the dock next by my co.s dock. He got in my face & acted like he wanted kick my azz. I said u want to fight because your gonna get a welcome to America beating . They shove a phone in the face of our women to pu a load & say load. Ts personal say they all act like they want to kill us. Etc.
Human nature I don’t believe to be so difficult to pin down. When you remove mechanisms of our current system like profit and private property (not personal property), you then remove the incentive for doing harm against man and nature. When we take back our responsibility and our self reliance we also remove the ability to profit from doing harm.
Yes, Z basically campaigned for Biden in October. Went to a campaign rally if I recall correctly.
This was all theatre for MAGA. Vance was clearly there to provoke a reaction out of Zelensky in front of cameras. It was an ambush. They even had social media posts ready to be posted afterwards. It's kind of a disgrace, but not really surprising.
Ummm. At that time, the Biden/Harris administration was fully supporting Ukraine. Did you expect Z to campaign against them, and instead campaign for Trump? Use your brains people.
Poland, South Korea and Japan will be seriously considering joining the nuclear club.
good ol' left hand circle jerk in here, lol
a month of being quiet little gremlins but they found a snack after midnight
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