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Fairness and safety don’t exist or are so mysterious that nobody can say what they are? Are you serious? Anyone with even minimal moral sense is quite well qualified to define these concepts and recognize blatant violations of them - the idea that being ultra wealthy is necessary is utterly ridiculous.
You need to seek professional help.
Amazon is a sweat shop and meat grinder? You mean like the slaves building V2 rockets for the Germans during World War 2 or the Uyghur people in China today? That’s what you are comparing Amazon to?
How does the existence of other unjust, unfair, or otherwise negative circumstances justify not giving people bathroom breaks? Is the fallacy here really not obvious?
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Negative, unjust, or unfair circumstances ar NOT a sweat shop or meat grinder, is that not obvious?
I’m really not sure what you’re saying here, I’ve no doubt that some unjust, unfair, or otherwise negative circumstances are not sweat shops or meat grinders, but I take it that sweat shops and meat grinders are generally unfair, unjust, and negative. Why would we be using such terms if not to claim that such moral descriptions are apt? There’s several separate issues here: Are sweat shops bad? Surely it’s not a stretch to say yes. Even if they’re bad, are they sometimes justified? This is largely a meta-ethical question - eg you may think a consequentialist moral theory is correct and that the good produced outweighs the negative. Not everyone accepts consequentialist ethics and will argue that it’s never ok to exploit people, regardless of how much good comes out of it. I’m not going to try to settle that here;rather, I’ll just point out that it’s a point at which people will disagree. In addition to these questions of value, there are questions of fact: what actually goes on at these places?
Nothing I’ve said above leaves room for saying: it’s fine because others do worse. We don’t accept when our kids say “but so and so did something worse than I did” and we shouldn’t accept it from anyone else either.
Because truckers making 120.00 a day can pay for the rich kids college. Millions to pay in severance wages ? The rest of the world gets don’t let the door hit you in the azz. Co.s out here going bankrupt like never b4. The co. Shut the fuel card off & your told take the truck to the nearest dealership. Find your own way home. I would run it in the direction of home until I ran out of fuel . Then let it sit in the rd.drivers r doing this . It’s been soo bad out here since Feb 2021. But since thx giving Wow just unbelievable. I swear the laziest people in the world had to be included in my days. Jan 31 st & made nothing this yr. Just total bs of lazy idiots to Fuck up every day . Ukraine dispatcher Wow I was going to tell the boss to fire him . Sit trying to keep motivated waiting because there is no freight. And he won’t jump on cheap 1.30 shit. Last second pu that go into white out storms all winter. 1st winter ever where I know that I will die in it. All the rest of my pals from the 80,s r dead. Dispatchers r a dime a dozen but he,s part owner. I can here the fear in his voice when states ld info. Me I say there’s a 200 mi lake effect storm in Mi. Not thrilled to go die & get stranded for 2 days again with no pay. We got into it lately 1,170 , 1,200 what the fuck is this 1971. Massive pile of shit to beat the fuck out of ya. -48 with wind chill & I hv to hit the engine 4-5 times with starting fluid because dumb fuck Mexican shop doesn’t know how to change a fuel filter . Massive oil leak blowing oil all ovr the exhaust,shocks all blown , seat, door fucked up cold blowing in , I could go on forever. Fuckin cheap Jewish Eastern Europeans there sooo dangerous. I,m 3 inches shorter in the 1st 2 yrs of Russian Chicago shit. Since last Thursday-15 bunk heater stops working. Wake up & your body feels like it’s being burnt by acid vinegar. I really start loosing it freezing I my sleep. 12-29-2030 to feb 18 shorted 39,900 . 40+ hr days 7 days a week iL. Labor dept says you don’t hv any rights to get paid. Dead azz economy now no freight so there’s no 40+ hr days. Just a fight to get a rare load to run all nighters in winter storms. Rt now there is aprox 3 mil drivers leaving the industry but there is Not much out there. Massive layoffs coming in the next few months. Cheap dryer 3rd cycle to dry. I walked a 1/2 mi from petro to a pilot because the washers r bigger. To save 3 bucks on another washer . Being super poor is weird . Keep pushing to make nothing. Thursday 03.45 am get up I felt puke gonna explode I get tge door open . I,m thinking try to puke so you don’t puke your oatmeal up. That’s bad . Puke then slam the broken door shut . I look & my clean jeans 1st day wearing them we wear them a few days until there covered in grime & grease. And I hv puke on my leg. It’s all acid from muscle fatigue. I took off but we couldn’t get out because the hiaty & African drivers parked in the middle of the driveway. Common out here last sun night a black driver got hit soo hard parked the inner fender was tore off & his radiator. I asked him you ok ? He said yeah I,m not hurt . I said no mentally. He said I would like to shove my blade in the African. And pulled his switch blade . We always hv a knife on us now. We talked for a while I explained on how mentally to survive out here. It’s 100 % a 3rd world country now.
I’m not going to derail this thread further with tangents into moral assessments of Amazon or things of that sort. But yeah, I’ll agree that Pierer paying himself a big dividend while running out of money to pay workers is a scumbag move.
One of my rules is not to read super long posts. I just broke that rule. I don't think I'll make that mistake again.
I'm sure you've heard life isn't fair before. And nobody said life had to be easy. So say Bezos is evil and runs "sweat shops", why do people work for him? Shut him down, where do they work then? Who do the retirees who depend on Amazon stock have? I own a business, I know many people who own businesses. We all pay well and offer benefits, more than Amazon. Yet can get no employees. When a new Walmart opens though, they get applicants around the block, because it is mindless, easy work with no responsibility. That's the dirty little secret that everyone knows but nobody says out loud, especially the oppressed/oppresser narrative people, that people who have shitty jobs for extended periods of time in this country are most times lazy.
I’m just here for the bankruptcy stuff 😎
It sounds like you recognize the value your employees create for you as a business owner. That’s all anyone can ask of an employer.
Getting back on topic, you and I seem to agree that Pierer doesn’t recognize the value of his employees and has a severely overinflated sense of his own worth.
We can certainly agree on that friend.
Another $100k out of petty cash… If Jett’s out Chase might break KTM NA
Interesting for sure......
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=igZ-fJnIZpE
Ditto
KTM Husqvarna and GASGAS are doing fine here at the motorcycle expo
Pit Row
What appears on the outside isn’t always the same on the backside. Sometimes the illusion appears real, but not always the case. Bottom line is they are broke.
https://www.rideapart.com/news/750246/ktm-creditor-whitebox-advisors-ll…
Would be wild if they can’t come to terms and they get liquidated. The brand wouldn’t disappear but that would be a rocky ride.
I also found mention of this in several other places including Bloomberg. Uncertain times for KTM no doubt. Still a little thrown off by zero mention of this during any supercross broadcast. The brand has a chance (I'm not sure how much) of going away. Yet the race team and the media just ignore it. Weird....
For real. In any other motorsport they would definitely be talking about it at the races. Will be interesting to see what happens when MotoGP starts up soon but that I think will be after the meeting on the 25th.
To be fair we have no idea how much debt this creditor owns. They are one of thousands of creditors I believe and could be using this as a strong arm tactic to sow discontent leading up to the final meeting
Absolutely, but it definitely paints a picture. If I owed you $100, would you contently settle for $30? Granted you might only get $7 if things go badly, but the point is you loaned me money and now I refuse to even respond to your attempts to offer a "fair" settlement. I'd say fuck off too if I was the creditor. Wish borrowing money worked like this for the little man....sadly my creditors want all of their money back....
You didn’t hear everything in NA is great it’s in the budget
If anyone is sowing discontent among the creditors it’s Pierer with his lack of disclosure , lack of action and insulting offers.
Whole bicycle side now closed down in Nordic EU countries I guess in other parts of world also and guys are without jobs. Still no sales on motorbikes like US and southern Europe having they are keeping tight on prices as long as they can it seems.
Network-wide rebates until April 30th in various European countries.
From 700 to 3000€ rebates for pretty much the entire range of 2024 models and/or 2025 models.
-1500 € for the entire motocross range, -1000€ for enduro range
For instance in some countries 2025 450SXF is now 10 850€.
Deals vary from one country to another and some EU countries do not seem to carry such offers at all, sorry can't upload picture.
https://www.ktm.com/en-lt/powerdeals/Exclusive-KTM-deals-2025.html#moto…
Seems those Power Deals are just for some limited countries like Estonia/Finland KTM 2025 125sx 10350e vs Italy 8490e for just same bike.
Anyway -1000e off gets 450 sxf to same level as Honda/Yamaha/Kawasaki list prices are so not really crazy deals but right direction.
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