KTM to file for Bankruptcy/ Self Restructuring on Friday

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grunkster wrote:

Did dealers get rebate info for feb today?

We did, most 2024 bikes have $750 rebates. 450 has $1000. 

That's in Canada anyway. 

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1/31/2025 10:12am Edited Date/Time 1/31/2025 10:13am

For those of u knowledgeable About all this, would u buy a new KTM, or avoid the brand all together ?

They'll come out the other side. The ownership of the brand will shift around with new investors. Expect Bajaj and CFMoto to own a bigger piece. I wouldn't hesitate. 

 

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1/31/2025 10:50am
I just heard today there is a stop sale and recall on Gas Gas and Husqvarna bikes with Braktec brakes. I hope this isn’t one of...

I just heard today there is a stop sale and recall on Gas Gas and Husqvarna bikes with Braktec brakes. I hope this isn’t one of the companies they owe money to.  If so, replacement parts might be hard to get.

Braketec is a line of Brembo.

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For those of u knowledgeable About all this, would u buy a new KTM, or avoid the brand all together ?

Honestly it would be based on the date of manufacture.  After bankruptcy news and layoffs came no thanks.  This sport is dangerous enough without a disgruntled worker forgetting something.

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1/31/2025 11:08am
grunkster wrote:

Did dealers get rebate info for feb today?

BH_84 wrote:

We did, most 2024 bikes have $750 rebates. 450 has $1000. 

That's in Canada anyway. 

only $750 for a 2024? Was going to buy a new bike but Im thinking $2500!

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1/31/2025 11:11am Edited Date/Time 1/31/2025 11:22am
grunkster wrote:

Did dealers get rebate info for feb today?

BH_84 wrote:

We did, most 2024 bikes have $750 rebates. 450 has $1000. 

That's in Canada anyway. 

GPrider wrote:

only $750 for a 2024? Was going to buy a new bike but Im thinking $2500!

They have $2500 on 2023 1290 Adventure R models. Not exactly what your hoping for, but.....

1/31/2025 11:46am

For those of u knowledgeable About all this, would u buy a new KTM, or avoid the brand all together ?

Team403 wrote:
Honestly it would be based on the date of manufacture.  After bankruptcy news and layoffs came no thanks.  This sport is dangerous enough without a disgruntled...

Honestly it would be based on the date of manufacture.  After bankruptcy news and layoffs came no thanks.  This sport is dangerous enough without a disgruntled worker forgetting something.

You think if you buy a KTM right now it’s possible it could grenade you? Seems like a reach of epic proportions.
 

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grunkster wrote:

Did dealers get rebate info for feb today?

My local dealer put up similar prices to what they had in December on 2024s. I have not seen a Munns email yet to see where they are at. It looks like more than $750 to me unless dealers are going in $750 plus most of the margin just to get them out the door.

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just talked to two local dealers, Rebates are less than before. They are puzzled to say the least

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Yeah, $750 / $1000 rebates on 2024s sounds off to me too. 

I say that because I bought a 2024 KTM 500 EXCF way back in August of this last summer prior to all the financial woes becoming known...it was a no haggle10,900 out the door with a local dealer in Ohio while the MSRP was 12,949.  How'd it go from about 3k off msrp to only 750/1000 rebates?

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I just heard today there is a stop sale and recall on Gas Gas and Husqvarna bikes with Braktec brakes. I hope this isn’t one of...

I just heard today there is a stop sale and recall on Gas Gas and Husqvarna bikes with Braktec brakes. I hope this isn’t one of the companies they owe money to.  If so, replacement parts might be hard to get.

Braketec is a line of Brembo.

Braketec brakes are made in Spain. Most all the trials bikes have them as well as the hydraulic clutches. When AJP went out, Braketec capiitalized and has made great trials products. 

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1/31/2025 1:11pm
I just heard today there is a stop sale and recall on Gas Gas and Husqvarna bikes with Braktec brakes. I hope this isn’t one of...

I just heard today there is a stop sale and recall on Gas Gas and Husqvarna bikes with Braktec brakes. I hope this isn’t one of the companies they owe money to.  If so, replacement parts might be hard to get.

Braketec is a line of Brembo.

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Braketec brakes are made in Spain. Most all the trials bikes have them as well as the hydraulic clutches. When AJP went out, Braketec capiitalized and...

Braketec brakes are made in Spain. Most all the trials bikes have them as well as the hydraulic clutches. When AJP went out, Braketec capiitalized and has made great trials products. 

Brembo bought brake Tech back in 2021 I believe

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Braketec is a line of Brembo.

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Braketec brakes are made in Spain. Most all the trials bikes have them as well as the hydraulic clutches. When AJP went out, Braketec capiitalized and...

Braketec brakes are made in Spain. Most all the trials bikes have them as well as the hydraulic clutches. When AJP went out, Braketec capiitalized and has made great trials products. 

NSP139 wrote:

Brembo bought brake Tech back in 2021 I believe

Brembo is on a buying spree.. They bought OHlins last year. 

1/31/2025 1:24pm
GPrider wrote:

just talked to two local dealers, Rebates are less than before. They are puzzled to say the least

PMG has already been paid for the bikes when they invoiced.  Rebates cost the OEM additional money.  If they’re broke, the additional money for rebates is hard to come by.

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1/31/2025 1:46pm
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Braketec brakes are made in Spain. Most all the trials bikes have them as well as the hydraulic clutches. When AJP went out, Braketec capiitalized and...

Braketec brakes are made in Spain. Most all the trials bikes have them as well as the hydraulic clutches. When AJP went out, Braketec capiitalized and has made great trials products. 

NSP139 wrote:

Brembo bought brake Tech back in 2021 I believe

endurox wrote:

Brembo is on a buying spree.. They bought OHlins last year. 

It's funny because Brembo bought Braketec purely because they couldn't meet all of PMG's volume needs out of their current manufacturing facilities. More industry ripple effect in action?

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1/31/2025 2:44pm Edited Date/Time 1/31/2025 2:46pm

For those of u knowledgeable About all this, would u buy a new KTM, or avoid the brand all together ?

We just bought a new 24.5 MC250F FE. About $9000 OTD, which is a solid price given the component set that it comes with. I framed it prior to ride 1 and it was well built. Light on grease in a few areas as usual, but everything I touched was torqued to spec and well assembled. Which I expected - they only build 400 of them, all assembled in Austria. 

And it's a freaking rocket ship. Now I might have to buy a 25 GG MC250f stocker as a "spare parts" bike. That's what I'm telling the wife. Smile

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Pit Beirer, KTM sporting director, at the MotoGP team launch yesterday 

"We came into MotoGP in 2017. Within six years, we could double the turnover. I don’t want to take this glory in the race department, but the whole company showed the publicity of racing, global marketing to build up the company, developing products and bringing them to the market."

"The racing department exists as a marketing tool for KTM."

Can't be any clearer than that.

Much more info where this came from: https://motomatters.com/analysis/2025/01/31/pit_beirer_on_ktm_s_motogp_…

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On the bicycle side they were going heavily into E-bikes.  But the crazy thing is they were developing their own motors and suspension too so they...

On the bicycle side they were going heavily into E-bikes.  But the crazy thing is they were developing their own motors and suspension too so they were basically making everything but the drivetrain, wheels, and brakes.  No other brand really does that.  And the fact they were starting from scratch had to have cost a crazy amount of money.  Then theres the fact that those bikes just came out the last few months when all the big players are blowing out bikes for a fraction of retail and use motors and suspension from normal brands that people know will be around in the future if they have issues.  Proprietary stuff is always a bad thing long term, especially when you're new on the scene.

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Guess I’m out of the loop on the latest emtb - my wife GG has a yamaha motor and my kids husky has a shimano motor...

Guess I’m out of the loop on the latest emtb - my wife GG has a yamaha motor and my kids husky has a shimano motor.  

Yes, in addition to Yamaha motor, Bosch, Shimano, GasGas was also one of the key partners in the new SRAM edrive motor (Eagle Powertrain) but i've...

Yes, in addition to Yamaha motor, Bosch, Shimano, GasGas was also one of the key partners in the new SRAM edrive motor (Eagle Powertrain) but i've heard or seen nothing about them developing their own. But spooner please share so we can keep this thread free of misinformation.

This was from a dealer who was selling the GG ebikes probably over a year ago.  I'm a big ebike nerd so my ears perked up for sure.  They were also talking about the plans to have a full range of WP bicycle suspension as well.  

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For those of u knowledgeable About all this, would u buy a new KTM, or avoid the brand all together ?

No chance. If you do stock up on parts. If most are on back order run away. I’d check to see if parts are in stock before I’d buy. 

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For those of u knowledgeable About all this, would u buy a new KTM, or avoid the brand all together ?

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No chance. If you do stock up on parts. If most are on back order run away. I’d check to see if parts are in stock...

No chance. If you do stock up on parts. If most are on back order run away. I’d check to see if parts are in stock before I’d buy. 

My deal with buying or not buying a KTM is ethical. These people fucked over banks, suppliers, and worse employees. Why would you support these business practices? I own a business myself and I would be God Damned if I took money from my business while laying off or not paying people who depend on me. Or made decisions to jeopardize my employee's income. No fucking way. There is a special place in hell for business owners who fuck over family's depending upon them to run the business responsibly. That is elitist, royalist, and cruel.

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The other thing is pay your bills! These sloped head college students who won't pay back their loans and want a free ride, how different is KTM, or not worse? I can't sleep nights if I owe money, what is with these people.

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For those of u knowledgeable About all this, would u buy a new KTM, or avoid the brand all together ?

j368 wrote:
No chance. If you do stock up on parts. If most are on back order run away. I’d check to see if parts are in stock...

No chance. If you do stock up on parts. If most are on back order run away. I’d check to see if parts are in stock before I’d buy. 

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My deal with buying or not buying a KTM is ethical. These people fucked over banks, suppliers, and worse employees. Why would you support these business...

My deal with buying or not buying a KTM is ethical. These people fucked over banks, suppliers, and worse employees. Why would you support these business practices? I own a business myself and I would be God Damned if I took money from my business while laying off or not paying people who depend on me. Or made decisions to jeopardize my employee's income. No fucking way. There is a special place in hell for business owners who fuck over family's depending upon them to run the business responsibly. That is elitist, royalist, and cruel.

I don’t have an argument for you on that one. Some very valid points indeed!

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Spoonguy wrote:
The other thing is pay your bills! These sloped head college students who won't pay back their loans and want a free ride, how different is...

The other thing is pay your bills! These sloped head college students who won't pay back their loans and want a free ride, how different is KTM, or not worse? I can't sleep nights if I owe money, what is with these people.

I think the main difference is entitlement (college kids) vs lack of empathy, possibly to the level of psychopathy (I think it’s obvious who I’m referring to). Psychopathy isn’t uncommon amongst CEOs of big companies. 

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1/31/2025 5:57pm Edited Date/Time 1/31/2025 5:57pm

Agreed MP, God complex or something. What the hell people, entire communities, are depending on them! How can you possibly let them down?

1/31/2025 6:27pm
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The other thing is pay your bills! These sloped head college students who won't pay back their loans and want a free ride, how different is...

The other thing is pay your bills! These sloped head college students who won't pay back their loans and want a free ride, how different is KTM, or not worse? I can't sleep nights if I owe money, what is with these people.

MPJC wrote:
I think the main difference is entitlement (college kids) vs lack of empathy, possibly to the level of psychopathy (I think it’s obvious who I’m referring...

I think the main difference is entitlement (college kids) vs lack of empathy, possibly to the level of psychopathy (I think it’s obvious who I’m referring to). Psychopathy isn’t uncommon amongst CEOs of big companies. 

The 10 largest US companies founders, which one isn't/wasn't a Psychopath?

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Most of those people retirees can depend upon them for dividends or retirement income. Many of those people you list made ordinary citizens millionaires, especially Buffett and Bezos. I know people that those two helped make millionaires. KTM, it is entirely different. KTM is a deadbeat. Your comparison holds no water, you don't know what you are talking about.

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1/31/2025 6:49pm
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Most of those people retirees can depend upon them for dividends or retirement income. Many of those people you list made ordinary citizens millionaires, especially Buffett...

Most of those people retirees can depend upon them for dividends or retirement income. Many of those people you list made ordinary citizens millionaires, especially Buffett and Bezos. I know people that those two helped make millionaires. KTM, it is entirely different. KTM is a deadbeat. Your comparison holds no water, you don't know what you are talking about.

Bezos, LOL, you don't know what you are talking about, how well does Amazon treat it's employees!

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Most of those people retirees can depend upon them for dividends or retirement income. Many of those people you list made ordinary citizens millionaires, especially Buffett...

Most of those people retirees can depend upon them for dividends or retirement income. Many of those people you list made ordinary citizens millionaires, especially Buffett and Bezos. I know people that those two helped make millionaires. KTM, it is entirely different. KTM is a deadbeat. Your comparison holds no water, you don't know what you are talking about.

Bezos, LOL, you don't know what you are talking about, how well does Amazon treat it's employees!

Nice, the old oppressed/oppresser narrative. A real call back to the 60s. How fucking over done. None of Bezos employees have to work for him, they can get other jobs if they are so abused. And who do you want to make things "fair" or "safe" or any other thing you've been told exists that really doesn't, who decides that? You? You are that wise? You did just question how Amazon treats their employees, so obviously you feel you know "fairness", how many do you employ, how many square feet of warehouse space do you rent, or semis that you run, how many millions of commerce run through you? How much a year do you spend on just fuel tax compared to Amazon? What is your contribution that gives you the right to criticize others, honest question? You probably make more money than 90% of people in the world, yet obviously you ride a dirt bike, why is that fair? You didn't earn your money to buy a dirt bike fairly either, there are many third world people who work harder than you, with so much of the world oppressed, there are starving children everywhere, where is your shame? Why can you have a cell phone or microwave when so much of the world doesn't? And how about all the millionaires Bezos made, the independents making money off him, the retirees living off his stock. How many millionaires have you made, how many retirees live off your stock, how many employees do you have, how much diesel do you buy a year?The whole bullshit that success is a oneway street is proven wrong again and again, your hippy bullshit of someone succeeding is a zero sum game is passe. Just imagine all the home bound seniors without drivers licenses who depend on him, or loser 20 somethings without drivers licenses too that need Amazon for deliveries. Imagine a world without Amazon, the people who say life is so " unfair" would lose the most. The thing about your whole oppressed/oppresser bullshit is it is easy to spout bullshit platitudes about how someone else or the system is so "unfair" to make yourself feel all high and mighty, but it is just words, and most who spout this shit do nothing to hire or engage in commerce let alone acknowledge the cruel fact no matter who succeeds in this world there will always be underachievers who eke by and some feel deserve pity, basically because the only thing they can contribute to society is opinion. You can never change that, losers always bitch about winners. Sorry to run on, sore point....

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1/31/2025 7:58pm Edited Date/Time 1/31/2025 7:59pm
Spoonguy wrote:
Most of those people retirees can depend upon them for dividends or retirement income. Many of those people you list made ordinary citizens millionaires, especially Buffett...

Most of those people retirees can depend upon them for dividends or retirement income. Many of those people you list made ordinary citizens millionaires, especially Buffett and Bezos. I know people that those two helped make millionaires. KTM, it is entirely different. KTM is a deadbeat. Your comparison holds no water, you don't know what you are talking about.

Bezos, LOL, you don't know what you are talking about, how well does Amazon treat it's employees!

Amazon is a sweat shop. I know numerous people that work there and it's just a meat grinder. They give no fvcks about their people. I work at Adobe which is entirely the other end of the scale. Amazon has been after me for years to run their data centers and I keep saying no. Money isn't everything,

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