Lawrences vs Mirtl Lawsuit Details Emerge

1/31/2025 9:49am
truck wrote:

Anyone have any idea how long federal criminal investigation on something like this would usually take? I'm guessing that isn't something that happens quickly. 

soggy wrote:

this isn't criminal at this point I don't believe.  This is a civil lawsuit.

Guess you didn’t read it.

the doc posted IS a civil lawsuit. Yes they are turning evidence over to the DA who would bring charges making it (obviously) a criminal suit AS WELL. 

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1/31/2025 9:50am
I watched one of his videos yesterday while I was slicing zucchini, and I believe he said he was gonna Have Mirtl on for an interview...

I watched one of his videos yesterday while I was slicing zucchini, and I believe he said he was gonna Have Mirtl on for an interview, that will be really interesting

That would be about the dumbest thing he could do. Must not have a lawyer.

but you know Cooksey is climbing up both sides of him itching to get the scoop and with Mirtl being so desperate to CYA...it'll be a match made in heaven.

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1/31/2025 9:50am
vroomvroom wrote:
Is there some alternate universe where he actually thought he was "family" and that Jett/Hunter wouldn't mind him using 600k to help himself and make future...

Is there some alternate universe where he actually thought he was "family" and that Jett/Hunter wouldn't mind him using 600k to help himself and make future money? I mean he actually wrote what the payments were for. When your talking that much money you can't just do as you please without permission. It'd be incredibly sad if he actually thought they wouldn't care. One look from anybody and there immediate thought is theft. The Astar stuff in particular is head scratching because he had to know that someone from Astars would talk to the Lawrence family eventually. It's like he knew this day was coming. Maybe it's a guy struggling thru a divorce, maybe there's some drugs/alcohol involved, or maybe it's just pure scum baggery. Regardless it's just sad. 

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No kidding!!If his scam would have kept going, he would have eventually showed up to the Lawrence compound with a briefcase full of IOU's like on...

No kidding!!

If his scam would have kept going, he would have eventually showed up to the Lawrence compound with a briefcase full of IOU's like on Dumb and Dumber, LOL!!

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1/31/2025 9:58am Edited Date/Time 1/31/2025 10:13am
TheMilkman wrote:
Maybe the Coenen bros were planning to pay them back for the RV? Much like when somebody bought the Lawrence’s an RV back in their Euro...

Maybe the Coenen bros were planning to pay them back for the RV? Much like when somebody bought the Lawrence’s an RV back in their Euro days and they paid them back. Can’t remember who bought them an RV back in the day but I remember their dad saying that somebody helped them out with that. 

It says in the filing that Mirtl agreed to "finance" the purchase, which implies there could have been a payback plan. No matter though, because the Lawrence Bros didn't agree to any of it.

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1/31/2025 10:03am
TheMilkman wrote:
Maybe the Coenen bros were planning to pay them back for the RV? Much like when somebody bought the Lawrence’s an RV back in their Euro...

Maybe the Coenen bros were planning to pay them back for the RV? Much like when somebody bought the Lawrence’s an RV back in their Euro days and they paid them back. Can’t remember who bought them an RV back in the day but I remember their dad saying that somebody helped them out with that. 

Roczens dad helped them out…

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1/31/2025 10:08am
Philly215 wrote:
Isn’t there some speculation on that though? That the translator took the fall in part to help cover up Ohtani’s gambling to keep him in the...

Isn’t there some speculation on that though? That the translator took the fall in part to help cover up Ohtani’s gambling to keep him in the MLB? Like the rumors of Jordan getting run out of the NBA because of his gambling on basketball and then he had that weird baseball stint. 

It was unfounded speculation.

Since then, an audio recording was released where he was impersonating Ohtani in order to make a wire transfer. https://www.mlb.com/news/ippei-mizuhara-impersonated-ohtani-in-recorded…

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1/31/2025 10:27am
frosty1317 wrote:

"The prosecution would like to call to the stand, Phil Nicoletti"

“…are you kidding me??” 

😂

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1/31/2025 10:28am
crowe660 wrote:

I’m on pins and needles waiting to see how Kooksey blames this on Davey Coombs

Watch for flyers posted in SoCal and at Glendale…complete with spelling and punctuation that a third grader could correct…

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1/31/2025 10:29am

One thing I have learned from reading the comments sections on Instagram regarding this is that the general fan base of MX/SX has no clue about how the legal system or even real word works. 

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1/31/2025 10:33am

Seems a little weird, why isn't Wassermann included in this civil suit.  I mean Mirtl was employed with them and seems like he did this on his own according the the civil suit.  If you look at any other lawsuit that involves companies they are responsible for there employees actions.  Im not sticking up for the guy but seems why would they target him and not Wassermann as well. Plus they are still with the company.  To me I would have cut all ties with everyone and found another agency.  This is not looking good for him but it sure seems a little sketchy all around.

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1/31/2025 10:35am
shifter125 wrote:
Seems a little weird, why isn't Wassermann included in this civil suit.  I mean Mirtl was employed with them and seems like he did this on...

Seems a little weird, why isn't Wassermann included in this civil suit.  I mean Mirtl was employed with them and seems like he did this on his own according the the civil suit.  If you look at any other lawsuit that involves companies they are responsible for there employees actions.  Im not sticking up for the guy but seems why would they target him and not Wassermann as well. Plus they are still with the company.  To me I would have cut all ties with everyone and found another agency.  This is not looking good for him but it sure seems a little sketchy all around.

Wasserman is the party that filed the suit.

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1/31/2025 10:38am
Trickamoto wrote:

Who's worse...Mirtl or Rich Taylor?

Yes

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1/31/2025 10:42am
shifter125 wrote:
Seems a little weird, why isn't Wassermann included in this civil suit.  I mean Mirtl was employed with them and seems like he did this on...

Seems a little weird, why isn't Wassermann included in this civil suit.  I mean Mirtl was employed with them and seems like he did this on his own according the the civil suit.  If you look at any other lawsuit that involves companies they are responsible for there employees actions.  Im not sticking up for the guy but seems why would they target him and not Wassermann as well. Plus they are still with the company.  To me I would have cut all ties with everyone and found another agency.  This is not looking good for him but it sure seems a little sketchy all around.

Wasserman is the party that filed the suit.

Unless I'm reading the docs incorrectly, WMG is not a named party in anything that went public today. 

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1/31/2025 10:42am
yz133rider wrote:

What’s the details on the astars story? Can anyone explain it to me like I’m 3?

Separate from the brother's AStar racing contract they contracted, through their agent, to purchase custom AStar gear/memorabilia to sell through their Donught Inc. fanfest experience.  AStar began requesting payment for the product but after their agent ignored payment they withheld the amount owed from the brother's personal racing contracted payments. 

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1/31/2025 10:44am
shifter125 wrote:
Seems a little weird, why isn't Wassermann included in this civil suit.  I mean Mirtl was employed with them and seems like he did this on...

Seems a little weird, why isn't Wassermann included in this civil suit.  I mean Mirtl was employed with them and seems like he did this on his own according the the civil suit.  If you look at any other lawsuit that involves companies they are responsible for there employees actions.  Im not sticking up for the guy but seems why would they target him and not Wassermann as well. Plus they are still with the company.  To me I would have cut all ties with everyone and found another agency.  This is not looking good for him but it sure seems a little sketchy all around.

Wasserman is the party that filed the suit.

Jett and Hunter filed according to the court docs.  I think Wassermann just did an investigation.

 

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1/31/2025 10:49am Edited Date/Time 1/31/2025 11:05am
yz133rider wrote:

What’s the details on the astars story? Can anyone explain it to me like I’m 3?

Mirtl organizes the Lawrence brothers fan experience

A-Stars agrees to sell Mirtl custom merchandise (at a lower cost) to sell to fans at the fan experience (for a higher cost)

Mirtl sells all the merchandise for a profit 

A-Stars never receives their share of the agreed on percentage of said profit. 

They ask where their money is - Mirtl ignores each request. 

They recoupe their losses by witholding $240,000 of the Lawrences sponsorship money. 

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1/31/2025 10:51am
shifter125 wrote:
Seems a little weird, why isn't Wassermann included in this civil suit.  I mean Mirtl was employed with them and seems like he did this on...

Seems a little weird, why isn't Wassermann included in this civil suit.  I mean Mirtl was employed with them and seems like he did this on his own according the the civil suit.  If you look at any other lawsuit that involves companies they are responsible for there employees actions.  Im not sticking up for the guy but seems why would they target him and not Wassermann as well. Plus they are still with the company.  To me I would have cut all ties with everyone and found another agency.  This is not looking good for him but it sure seems a little sketchy all around.

Probably because the Lawrences don't feel like the Wasserman company did anything wrong.  Yeah, sometimes aggrieved people file lawsuits and name every entity within shouting distance of the crime (such as MX track owners).  Instead, the Lawrences stuck to suing the individual responsible for the fraud.

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1/31/2025 10:54am
Rickyisms wrote:
One thing I have learned from reading the comments sections on Instagram regarding this is that the general fan base of MX/SX has no clue about...

One thing I have learned from reading the comments sections on Instagram regarding this is that the general fan base of MX/SX has no clue about how the legal system or even real word works. 

That’s a good thing…

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1/31/2025 10:56am
Trickamoto wrote:

The fact he said he was "blindsided" tells you everything you need to know about his character!!

This. He’s a liar.

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1/31/2025 10:59am
yz133rider wrote:

What’s the details on the astars story? Can anyone explain it to me like I’m 3?

TK40_FC wrote:
Mirtl organizes the Lawrence brothers fan experienceA-Stars agrees to sell Mirtl custom merchandise (at a lower cost) to sell to fans at the fan experience (for...

Mirtl organizes the Lawrence brothers fan experience

A-Stars agrees to sell Mirtl custom merchandise (at a lower cost) to sell to fans at the fan experience (for a higher cost)

Mirtl sells all the merchandise for a profit 

A-Stars never receives their share of the agreed on percentage of said profit. 

They ask where their money is - Mirtl ignores each request. 

They recoupe their losses by witholding $240,000 of the Lawrences sponsorship money. 

Maybe I’m still not understand but the 240k was not listed in the “misappropriated” funds so doesn’t that mean it’s still in the account? So how can they sue for it when they can just transfer it to their racing or personal accounts or whatever. 

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1/31/2025 11:05am
Trickamoto wrote:

The fact he said he was "blindsided" tells you everything you need to know about his character!!

This. He’s a liar.

To reach the level he got to in his particular profession it's almost a given

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1/31/2025 11:07am
shifter125 wrote:
Seems a little weird, why isn't Wassermann included in this civil suit.  I mean Mirtl was employed with them and seems like he did this on...

Seems a little weird, why isn't Wassermann included in this civil suit.  I mean Mirtl was employed with them and seems like he did this on his own according the the civil suit.  If you look at any other lawsuit that involves companies they are responsible for there employees actions.  Im not sticking up for the guy but seems why would they target him and not Wassermann as well. Plus they are still with the company.  To me I would have cut all ties with everyone and found another agency.  This is not looking good for him but it sure seems a little sketchy all around.

Just a guess but maybe WMG is the one that discovered the improprieties, investigated, and self-reported to the Lawrences. Tipped off by an internal birdie that would know.

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1/31/2025 11:10am
bca wrote:
Breaking news, mirtle hires cooksey as his attorney. Cooksey video coming later today defending mirtle.

Breaking news, mirtle hires cooksey as his attorney. Cooksey video coming later today defending mirtle.

If so could this be the first court case where the sentence is applicable equally to the defendant AND his lawyer?... something something numbers, stones and birds.

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1/31/2025 11:12am
Trickamoto wrote:

Who's worse...Mirtl or Rich Taylor?

or Varner? The Mount Rushmore of moto-criminals.

Motocrooks hall of shame

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1/31/2025 11:12am
yz133rider wrote:

What’s the details on the astars story? Can anyone explain it to me like I’m 3?

TK40_FC wrote:
Mirtl organizes the Lawrence brothers fan experienceA-Stars agrees to sell Mirtl custom merchandise (at a lower cost) to sell to fans at the fan experience (for...

Mirtl organizes the Lawrence brothers fan experience

A-Stars agrees to sell Mirtl custom merchandise (at a lower cost) to sell to fans at the fan experience (for a higher cost)

Mirtl sells all the merchandise for a profit 

A-Stars never receives their share of the agreed on percentage of said profit. 

They ask where their money is - Mirtl ignores each request. 

They recoupe their losses by witholding $240,000 of the Lawrences sponsorship money. 

racestrong wrote:
Maybe I’m still not understand but the 240k was not listed in the “misappropriated” funds so doesn’t that mean it’s still in the account? So how...

Maybe I’m still not understand but the 240k was not listed in the “misappropriated” funds so doesn’t that mean it’s still in the account? So how can they sue for it when they can just transfer it to their racing or personal accounts or whatever. 

The Lawrences only knew that A-Stars witheld $240,000 dollars of their sponsorthip money, not that Mirtl never repayed them for their share of the merchandise. I'm sure A-Stars filled them in once they had to resort to the measure. I suppose you could assume that they ( the Lawrences ) werent out any money because that 240,000 never left their account, but A-Stars certainly was. 

So when A-Stars garnished the $240K, they can claim that was directly a result of Mirl's inaction. It could have also permanently damaged the relationship A-Stars has with the Lawrences, leading to further losses. 

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1/31/2025 11:17am
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He actually did write on some. Loans to be paid pack EOM. 

 

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1/31/2025 11:20am
bca wrote:
Breaking news, mirtle hires cooksey as his attorney. Cooksey video coming later today defending mirtle.

Breaking news, mirtle hires cooksey as his attorney. Cooksey video coming later today defending mirtle.

If so could this be the first court case where the sentence is applicable equally to the defendant AND his lawyer?... something something numbers, stones and...

If so could this be the first court case where the sentence is applicable equally to the defendant AND his lawyer?... something something numbers, stones and birds.

2 birds, both stoned.

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