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There not going to go to gps because the American lifestyle is easier and more money I don’t blame them either id do exactly the same , my point is there will be more coming through Mxgp is going nowhere ( I do agree the series is run shit ) but even if you take the brothers there still plenty or talent in mx2 and more coming through from the emx 250 it will be fine there’s a good feeder class in place 👍
Foreigners that come to the USA do usually very well; US racers that go to MXGP have a much harder time!
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A woman rider has a much better chance of scoring points in the GPs. So they are great from a equality of the sexes standpoint.
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Villo won at his third GP didn't he? American powerhouses like Trampas Parker, and Bobby Moore won championships?
It’s a lot of things. These kids can come here, make really good money, live in a beautiful home, live in an area with beautiful weather and plenty of beautiful women all while being very safe. Instead of traveling to China they get to travel to Florida, Michigan, Maryland, Pennsylvania, New York, etc. they don’t have to worry about learning every other countries laws, language barriers, eating shady food, crime rates, customs, etc. You can fly out of Los Angeles into Pittsburgh and feel exactly the same.
Go to a GP anywhere in Europe on a "regular" track (i.e. not Cozar, Switzerland, etc) and your question will answer itself
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We aren't talking about what country the talent is coming from. We are talking about where that talent wants to race
I've been into tis sport since the seventies and I respect the races run on the real traditional tracks. This topic is more complex than whether or not the GP's still have some awesome tracks or not.
It’s convenient that you don’t want to talk about where the talent is coming from, because it seems increasingly apparent that it largely isn’t the USA. As long as Europe produces talent on the level it has done, MXGP will always be relevant
Ok sure. It's a big world out there and the most talented guy on the planet isn't from Europe is he now? Being a Brit (assuming) you can't tell me you are happy with how the series is structured these days. Between the half filled gates and the bastard tracks they run half the series on I can't see how that would give you a warm fuzzy. When American MX and SX joined forces and then created this SMX playoff it was a stroke of genius. Our series is nothing short of amazing now. The GP's not so much imho.
I agree.
I wasn’t stating whether MXGP guys or AMA guys are better. I was just stating the fact that way more MXGP guys go to AMA versus the other way for many reasons that end up making the AMA a more premiere series for more people to be a part of.
Isn't it already?
However, MXGP is relevant just like Minor League Baseball is relevant, there has to be a lesser series to develop talent to jump up to the big leagues.
I don't really mean the tracks. There's multiple classes packed full of talent. The atmosphere, the tens of thousands of fans lining the tracks, etc.
It would take more than one guy in about half a decade leaving the series to make it irrelevant. Before Vialle who was the last one to leave? Dylan in 2017? Can't really count the Lawrences because Europe was always just a gateway to the US for them.
But I feel like that is a different conversation than your original point about ‘talent base’. Talent wise I think MXGP will be fine, because it always has been when top talents have left.
Some of the tracks they race on in MXGP are really not of the level you would expect at that level, that much is clear, but can you honestly say that the SMX playoff tracks were any better or any more inspiring than the MXGP of Turkey for example? Because I certainly didn’t think so. Rider numbers on the gate has always been a topic of conversation over the years, but in the last couple of years rider numbers in the European rounds have largely been pretty good. Let’s not forget that we’ve seen LCQ’s in SX late in the season in recent years with only 10 or so on the gate. The last SMX round took 8 from 9 in the 250 LCQ, so it’s not a purely MXGP issue.
Infront get a lot wrong, but it’s not all bad, and the series is far from irrelevant. The level of racing and fan support tells you that. MXGP maybe losing some top talent, but they have created a system where there is a pipeline of young talent to take their places, and when they are gone, the next man up will get their shot
I think my comment about talent base was relative to many of best guys ultimately wanting to come here. Secondly SMX isn't pretending to be MX . Look at the venues they were held at anf the attendance they had not to mention riders fighting for a piece of the pie. I'm not saying it's perfect here either. I think the riders and teams all deserve a bigger slice of the pie than they're currently getting here as well.
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Its a great series that could use a few changes, like ours over here. The fly away events are cool, but the current governing body should be helping the smaller teams get to these races. TM should be racing every round, same as fantic. One American round, and one Canadian round back to back for ease of travel.
GPs need a USGP round each year and rotate it to one of the Nationals track each year (does NOT need to coincide with USMX schedule)
Pretty sure that will get full gates and increase fan base.
Poor marketing not having a USGP.
Of course the most talented rider isn't from the "everyone get's a participation trophy" USA. But there is many reasons the talent comes here or at least wants to. The shame about both series, especially GPs, it seems pretty obvious diamond in the rough talent from meager means will find it harder and harder to make it as a pro or be "discovered".
To get over the fear check the stats on how many plane crashes there was yesterday VS car crashes
...If they had an MXGP in the United States during the season again, it would have to be an AMA SMX points and purse money paying event.
If not, few if any top American riders would show up, as they are professionals and like to make money. Gotta pay the bills...
The GP series isn't going anywhere..... Unless a much larger portion of their talent leaves. At the top, the 2 series are pretty close, with a slight advantage to AMA. Don't believe me? Watch Jett and the other AMA riders this weekend. Move Kay, Jorge, the Coenen Bros, and more and it's a shock to the GP system... Get more superstars like Herlings giving the series a little beatdown and it hurts a little more. When it adds up to enough to impact the $$ coming in (eventually it will if it continues) then you will see massive change in the organization (it's needed).
Just curious, who on your opinion is the most talented guy on the planet?
MXGPs are sanctioned by the governing body in the country hosting the race, a USGP would need to be AMA sanctioned.
Some may argue MXGP has more younger talent coming through than the current american Amateur system...
Take Deegan out of it.. and its been pretty sub par last few years for the 250's compared to what USA has been producing in the past.
I’d agree more young talent coming up in MXGP world, who once going premier class moves to the AMA series, or at least seems to be the past few years. I think that’s the point of the thread.
Bottom line, there's only five or six good guys in each class in the. That's not enough to make them a great series. And the tracks are so fucking terrible it's a joke. You've got to fight for 15th in the 250 class over here. The very top couple of guys in each class over there would be relevant here but after that, it's a bunch of garbage.
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