Roger DeCoster needs to go

lumpy790 wrote:

Roger arranged USA racers to send the very 1st USA team. 40+ years that is total commitment and determination. At Roger’s age he could have easily retired...

Roger arranged USA racers to send the very 1st USA team. 40+ years that is total commitment and determination. 

At Roger’s age he could have easily retired comfortably and completely stopped going to races but he LOVES the sport so much that he is still at every race. Who else has ever done that? Only one I can think of even being close is Mitch Payton but he still has a few years to go.

DV said it well that there is so much pressure on being the coach/manager/psychologist for the MXoN team.

I would never do it. 

Spoonguy wrote:

Roger didn't arrange America's first team, I believe Brad Lackey did.

Spoonguy wrote:

Brilliant plan, let Roger dictate who goes or doesn't indefinitely. Nobody is suggesting bloggers, I think the factory team managers, promoters, and the AMA should decide...

Brilliant plan, let Roger dictate who goes or doesn't indefinitely. Nobody is suggesting bloggers, I think the factory team managers, promoters, and the AMA should decide. Those that suggest Kawasaki still wouldn't go if Roger wasn't the manager is this a fact or opinion, serious question. I believe they have stated this is the case, there is still bad blood from one of Dungey's championships, and they do not want rival managers scrutinizing their equipment or riders is the reason I heard. Maybe someone heard different?

crusher773 wrote:

Zach Osborne for USA team manager.  I've been saying it for years.

Johnny Ringo wrote:

Say what you want about Roger and his bias but he just put Coop on the team whom he fired last summer 

Spoonguy wrote:

Roger didn't arrange America's first team, I believe Brad Lackey did.

mx317 wrote:

First winning team

Spoonguy wrote:

Brad's one team got a second, better than most of Roger's this past decade. Speaking of which Brad is probably younger than Roger.

Johnny Ringo wrote:

Say what you want about Roger and his bias but he just put Coop on the team whom he fired last summer 

Johnny Ringo wrote:

Say what you want about Roger and his bias but he just put Coop on the team whom he fired last summer 

lappedrider wrote:

This all day long.  Folks in this thread are making up a bunch of crap without any real meat behind it. 

 

Johnny Ringo wrote:

Say what you want about Roger and his bias but he just put Coop on the team whom he fired last summer 

lappedrider wrote:

This all day long.  Folks in this thread are making up a bunch of crap without any real meat behind it. 

 

soggy wrote:

Ha Roger doesn’t get the credit for Webb going. His hands were tied there was no one else to ask. 

Spoonguy wrote:

Brilliant plan, let Roger dictate who goes or doesn't indefinitely. Nobody is suggesting bloggers, I think the factory team managers, promoters, and the AMA should decide...

Brilliant plan, let Roger dictate who goes or doesn't indefinitely. Nobody is suggesting bloggers, I think the factory team managers, promoters, and the AMA should decide. Those that suggest Kawasaki still wouldn't go if Roger wasn't the manager is this a fact or opinion, serious question. I believe they have stated this is the case, there is still bad blood from one of Dungey's championships, and they do not want rival managers scrutinizing their equipment or riders is the reason I heard. Maybe someone heard different?

plowboy wrote:

Who told you that Roger picked the team?  You qualify for the team by winning or or close in each series.  If those guys can't or...

Who told you that Roger picked the team?  You qualify for the team by winning or or close in each series.  If those guys can't or won't  go...you go down the list.  The committee picks the best from the YES responses.  At most, Roger makes the actual phone call saying, "You're in".

I will say...this would make a damn fine little show.  Behind the scenes look at the committee's decisions.  Video of riders/family reactions to getting the call.  Video of those who got the call and declined.  

I'm so progressive. 🙃

Park Boys wrote:

He is an all time legend of the sport and is THE MAN. But this is beyond ridiculous now. Kawasaki will not support the MxDN with...

He is an all time legend of the sport and is THE MAN. But this is beyond ridiculous now. Kawasaki will not support the MxDN with him in power. Far too many good riders are out of consideration every year. Webb going on a MX2 is a direct result of us not having choices. Good on Webb for going I guess, but Roger has to get the hell out. We need an independent team manager not tied to a manufacturer. 
 

Paul333 wrote:

LOLBrilliant plan, let’s let Kawasaki dictate who gets the job. Kawasaki MX management who are notorious for being assclowns at times. Let’s give it to some blogger/journalist...

LOL

Brilliant plan, let’s let Kawasaki dictate who gets the job. Kawasaki MX management who are notorious for being assclowns at times. 

Let’s give it to some blogger/journalist who doesn’t know shit…but thinks he is a genius…as they all do. I am sure they will have ZERO affiliation with any companies…yeah right. Thats BS. Their sponsors will be the cat bird seat. 

DeCoster w/others have some years single-handedly kept us in the race due to their knowledge/experience/team connections..

 

Now everyone wants on the bandwagon because it’s easy again in 2025 being on American soil again..

 

Spoonguy wrote:

Brilliant plan, let Roger dictate who goes or doesn't indefinitely. Nobody is suggesting bloggers, I think the factory team managers, promoters, and the AMA should decide...

Brilliant plan, let Roger dictate who goes or doesn't indefinitely. Nobody is suggesting bloggers, I think the factory team managers, promoters, and the AMA should decide. Those that suggest Kawasaki still wouldn't go if Roger wasn't the manager is this a fact or opinion, serious question. I believe they have stated this is the case, there is still bad blood from one of Dungey's championships, and they do not want rival managers scrutinizing their equipment or riders is the reason I heard. Maybe someone heard different?

DonM wrote:

He is the winningest MXDN team manger in history....so there's that....

Herr Lich wrote:

Yes, but the vast majority of those wins happened years ago. Admittedly this isn't a precise comparison but on your logic, MC should be signed to...

Yes, but the vast majority of those wins happened years ago. Admittedly this isn't a precise comparison but on your logic, MC should be signed to HRC for the 2025 SX season because he is the winningest SX rider in history.  DeCoster is no longer up to the job. Too old, too set in his ways, too compromised, too much ego. 

Johnny Ringo wrote:

Say what you want about Roger and his bias but he just put Coop on the team whom he fired last summer 

lappedrider wrote:

This all day long.  Folks in this thread are making up a bunch of crap without any real meat behind it. 

 

Johnny Ringo wrote:

Say what you want about Roger and his bias but he just put Coop on the team whom he fired last summer 

lappedrider wrote:

This all day long.  Folks in this thread are making up a bunch of crap without any real meat behind it. 

 

TeamGreen wrote:

This thread is full of the silliest assumptions or straight up wrong shit and most things USA-MXON in here are waaaay off the rails. While I'm...

This thread is full of the silliest assumptions or straight up wrong shit and most things USA-MXON in here are waaaay off the rails. While I'm responding to lappedrider, a friend, I'll state the following to the Vital gallery...

To assume why or how Kawasaki (KMC, USA) got to the point that they aren't supporting/sending their riders to the MXON in 2024 based on the gossip from back in the day when so-n-so said he heard from his sister-in-law's baby cousin Traci...all the while I;ve never heard nor seen language to that end that had shit to do with "because Roger is the Team Mgr...blah, blah, blah...".

To think you understand why a rider doesn't go public with his injuries during his racing season...and then you can't believe he has an injury when he owns up to it...well, we'll leave that out there for the social-media gossipers. A question while we're here: how long does it take for a bone to heal and for a fastener hole to close in bone? Any orthopedic surgeons in the house? 

Then there's the complete A-Holes that actually talked shit on AP...? WTF? HOW do you talk shit on that dude? Did he bang your girlfriend that time he beat you on his YZ 125 back in the day? Were you not present when he took 3rd in the AMA Motocross Nationals? Do you not think the 2nd Best U.S. Rider in the Nationals should be chosen...? Did you not get the memo from Eli? Or is it that you're just an AP hatin' biotch??? Even with his injury, I hope he's able to do it...because, HE WANTS TO. The dude is just a good dude that rides a dirt bike awfully damn fast and seems to smile a helluva lot while he's doing it. Another thing, I truly love seeing a dude that OBVIOUSLY appreciates where he's at in life and the opportunities he's been given. I really like that. Ever notice that we don;t value that enough these days? 

Then there's the Roger's too old bullshit...wt-actual-f? Have you talked to the man? He's still quite up to the job and he loves doing it...so, again...WTF? Besides, there are quite a few other people involved and there's plenty of "input" from others when it comes to rider selection. But, no worries...it's just like the AP thing to me..."Some men you just can't reach" and that's obvious when this subject comes up every year. EVERY...YEAR. 

The lack of actual real knowledge, understanding and just straight-up "intellect" in some of these MXON discussions is simply a reminder...that...

This is the internet. 

But, I digress. 🤣

Press516 wrote:

Broc Glover…. And yes, I think this will be Roger’s last year.

DonM wrote:

He is the winningest MXDN team manger in history....so there's that....

Herr Lich wrote:

Yes, but the vast majority of those wins happened years ago. Admittedly this isn't a precise comparison but on your logic, MC should be signed to...

Yes, but the vast majority of those wins happened years ago. Admittedly this isn't a precise comparison but on your logic, MC should be signed to HRC for the 2025 SX season because he is the winningest SX rider in history.  DeCoster is no longer up to the job. Too old, too set in his ways, too compromised, too much ego. 

DonM wrote:

I gave no opinion either way....I just stated a fact...

Johnny Ringo wrote:

Say what you want about Roger and his bias but he just put Coop on the team whom he fired last summer 

lappedrider wrote:

This all day long.  Folks in this thread are making up a bunch of crap without any real meat behind it. 

 

TeamGreen wrote:

This thread is full of the silliest assumptions or straight up wrong shit and most things USA-MXON in here are waaaay off the rails. While I'm...

This thread is full of the silliest assumptions or straight up wrong shit and most things USA-MXON in here are waaaay off the rails. While I'm responding to lappedrider, a friend, I'll state the following to the Vital gallery...

To assume why or how Kawasaki (KMC, USA) got to the point that they aren't supporting/sending their riders to the MXON in 2024 based on the gossip from back in the day when so-n-so said he heard from his sister-in-law's baby cousin Traci...all the while I;ve never heard nor seen language to that end that had shit to do with "because Roger is the Team Mgr...blah, blah, blah...".

To think you understand why a rider doesn't go public with his injuries during his racing season...and then you can't believe he has an injury when he owns up to it...well, we'll leave that out there for the social-media gossipers. A question while we're here: how long does it take for a bone to heal and for a fastener hole to close in bone? Any orthopedic surgeons in the house? 

Then there's the complete A-Holes that actually talked shit on AP...? WTF? HOW do you talk shit on that dude? Did he bang your girlfriend that time he beat you on his YZ 125 back in the day? Were you not present when he took 3rd in the AMA Motocross Nationals? Do you not think the 2nd Best U.S. Rider in the Nationals should be chosen...? Did you not get the memo from Eli? Or is it that you're just an AP hatin' biotch??? Even with his injury, I hope he's able to do it...because, HE WANTS TO. The dude is just a good dude that rides a dirt bike awfully damn fast and seems to smile a helluva lot while he's doing it. Another thing, I truly love seeing a dude that OBVIOUSLY appreciates where he's at in life and the opportunities he's been given. I really like that. Ever notice that we don;t value that enough these days? 

Then there's the Roger's too old bullshit...wt-actual-f? Have you talked to the man? He's still quite up to the job and he loves doing it...so, again...WTF? Besides, there are quite a few other people involved and there's plenty of "input" from others when it comes to rider selection. But, no worries...it's just like the AP thing to me..."Some men you just can't reach" and that's obvious when this subject comes up every year. EVERY...YEAR. 

The lack of actual real knowledge, understanding and just straight-up "intellect" in some of these MXON discussions is simply a reminder...that...

This is the internet. 

But, I digress. 🤣

tmphotoart wrote:

RD MX des Nations Manager Record = 21 Team Manager Wins in 41 attempts (Team USA won 23 times in 43 attempts)RD Trophy des Nations...

RD MX des Nations Manager Record = 21 Team Manager Wins in 41 attempts (Team USA won 23 times in 43 attempts)

RD Trophy des Nations Manager Record = 4 Team Manager Wins in 4 attempts 
(Team USA won the last 4 Trophy championships before the combined classes in 1985)

RD MX des Nations Race Record = 6 Wins with Team Belgium in 11 attempts

RD Trophy des Nations Race Record = 10 wins with Team Belgium in 12 attempts

tmphotoart wrote:

RD MX des Nations Manager Record = 21 Team Manager Wins in 41 attempts (Team USA won 23 times in 43 attempts)RD Trophy des Nations...

RD MX des Nations Manager Record = 21 Team Manager Wins in 41 attempts (Team USA won 23 times in 43 attempts)

RD Trophy des Nations Manager Record = 4 Team Manager Wins in 4 attempts 
(Team USA won the last 4 Trophy championships before the combined classes in 1985)

RD MX des Nations Race Record = 6 Wins with Team Belgium in 11 attempts

RD Trophy des Nations Race Record = 10 wins with Team Belgium in 12 attempts

Spoonguy wrote:

So Roger is the losingest manager in team USA history? So even if he may be a reason some teams or riders do not compete and...

So Roger is the losingest manager in team USA history? So even if he may be a reason some teams or riders do not compete and every year come fall the team is a complete cluster fuck he stays? Nobody is an alternative? Say he is competent, he is stillbnot the proper or appropriate choice for many who wish to compete.

Johnny Ringo wrote:

Say what you want about Roger and his bias but he just put Coop on the team whom he fired last summer 

lappedrider wrote:

This all day long.  Folks in this thread are making up a bunch of crap without any real meat behind it. 

 

TeamGreen wrote:

This thread is full of the silliest assumptions or straight up wrong shit and most things USA-MXON in here are waaaay off the rails. While I'm...

This thread is full of the silliest assumptions or straight up wrong shit and most things USA-MXON in here are waaaay off the rails. While I'm responding to lappedrider, a friend, I'll state the following to the Vital gallery...

To assume why or how Kawasaki (KMC, USA) got to the point that they aren't supporting/sending their riders to the MXON in 2024 based on the gossip from back in the day when so-n-so said he heard from his sister-in-law's baby cousin Traci...all the while I;ve never heard nor seen language to that end that had shit to do with "because Roger is the Team Mgr...blah, blah, blah...".

To think you understand why a rider doesn't go public with his injuries during his racing season...and then you can't believe he has an injury when he owns up to it...well, we'll leave that out there for the social-media gossipers. A question while we're here: how long does it take for a bone to heal and for a fastener hole to close in bone? Any orthopedic surgeons in the house? 

Then there's the complete A-Holes that actually talked shit on AP...? WTF? HOW do you talk shit on that dude? Did he bang your girlfriend that time he beat you on his YZ 125 back in the day? Were you not present when he took 3rd in the AMA Motocross Nationals? Do you not think the 2nd Best U.S. Rider in the Nationals should be chosen...? Did you not get the memo from Eli? Or is it that you're just an AP hatin' biotch??? Even with his injury, I hope he's able to do it...because, HE WANTS TO. The dude is just a good dude that rides a dirt bike awfully damn fast and seems to smile a helluva lot while he's doing it. Another thing, I truly love seeing a dude that OBVIOUSLY appreciates where he's at in life and the opportunities he's been given. I really like that. Ever notice that we don;t value that enough these days? 

Then there's the Roger's too old bullshit...wt-actual-f? Have you talked to the man? He's still quite up to the job and he loves doing it...so, again...WTF? Besides, there are quite a few other people involved and there's plenty of "input" from others when it comes to rider selection. But, no worries...it's just like the AP thing to me..."Some men you just can't reach" and that's obvious when this subject comes up every year. EVERY...YEAR. 

The lack of actual real knowledge, understanding and just straight-up "intellect" in some of these MXON discussions is simply a reminder...that...

This is the internet. 

But, I digress. 🤣

GrapeApe wrote:

DC went on record with the Kawasaki/Roger thing in the midst of last year's annual MXdN debacle. From Racerhead:Kawasaki seems to have reached a point...

DC went on record with the Kawasaki/Roger thing in the midst of last year's annual MXdN debacle. From Racerhead:

Kawasaki seems to have reached a point where they are not sending anyone either, despite both Jason Anderson and Adam Cianciarulo both being healthy, as well as the 250 riders on the Monster Energy/Pro Circuit Kawasaki squad. Kawasaki's problem appears to be threefold: the FIM, the cost of sending their riders and mechanics and engineers, and what appears to be some reluctance with working so closely with Team USA Manager Roger De Coster. De Coster of course runs the KTM North America racing group, which Kawasaki competes against every weekend in AMA Supercross and Motocross and now SuperMotocross. 

https://racerxonline.com/2023/09/08/racerhead-36

 

Park Boys wrote:

He is an all time legend of the sport and is THE MAN. But this is beyond ridiculous now. Kawasaki will not support the MxDN with...

He is an all time legend of the sport and is THE MAN. But this is beyond ridiculous now. Kawasaki will not support the MxDN with him in power. Far too many good riders are out of consideration every year. Webb going on a MX2 is a direct result of us not having choices. Good on Webb for going I guess, but Roger has to get the hell out. We need an independent team manager not tied to a manufacturer. 
 

GrapeApe wrote:

DC went on record with the Kawasaki/Roger thing in the midst of last year's annual MXdN debacle. From Racerhead:Kawasaki seems to have reached a point...

DC went on record with the Kawasaki/Roger thing in the midst of last year's annual MXdN debacle. From Racerhead:

Kawasaki seems to have reached a point where they are not sending anyone either, despite both Jason Anderson and Adam Cianciarulo both being healthy, as well as the 250 riders on the Monster Energy/Pro Circuit Kawasaki squad. Kawasaki's problem appears to be threefold: the FIM, the cost of sending their riders and mechanics and engineers, and what appears to be some reluctance with working so closely with Team USA Manager Roger De Coster. De Coster of course runs the KTM North America racing group, which Kawasaki competes against every weekend in AMA Supercross and Motocross and now SuperMotocross. 

https://racerxonline.com/2023/09/08/racerhead-36

 

davistld01 wrote:

IMHO...Kawasaki needs to grow the hell up. They come off as immature whiney babies by refusing to work with RD simply because he's with KTM...if that's...

IMHO...Kawasaki needs to grow the hell up. They come off as immature whiney babies by refusing to work with RD simply because he's with KTM...if that's indeed their hangup. I doubt seriously that Roger is at all interested in stealing ideas from Kawasaki, especially seeing as how KTM has been handing them their asses for the last few seasons. 

tmphotoart wrote:

RD MX des Nations Manager Record = 21 Team Manager Wins in 41 attempts (Team USA won 23 times in 43 attempts)RD Trophy des Nations...

RD MX des Nations Manager Record = 21 Team Manager Wins in 41 attempts (Team USA won 23 times in 43 attempts)

RD Trophy des Nations Manager Record = 4 Team Manager Wins in 4 attempts 
(Team USA won the last 4 Trophy championships before the combined classes in 1985)

RD MX des Nations Race Record = 6 Wins with Team Belgium in 11 attempts

RD Trophy des Nations Race Record = 10 wins with Team Belgium in 12 attempts