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I say NO to $14k dirt bikes whether they're gas or electric.
It’s been done on electric cars. An i8 with a similar exhaust note like this one passed me on the highway last year and I did a double take 😂..
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Ive seen them on some electric cars but what company makes it for bikes?
My son got on a plane this morning for philly to go ride the stark for a week. Hopefully have some video and reports how that goes.
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For me, I can get over most of the possible negatives. But, the lack of a clutch is a no go for me. In the terrain I ride mostly these days a clutch is mandatory, as it allows control of the power getting to the wheel in a way the throttle cannot. Range would be my other big concern. The idea of being able to ride in areas where noise is an issue is tempting for sure but I'll wait on my concerns being addressed.......
This is kind of what I envisioned.
You could even mimic Stew’s 125 from back in the day or if you want to sound completely different; upload a superbike profile 😂
Have you ridden one? As a chronic clutch abuser I thought the same. Now, a clutch is like a nuisance to me. No stalling is a game changer and there is no need to modulate the clutch with how responsive the throttle is. Slow speed traction cannot be matched on a gas bike.
Im in the same boat, felt weird without the clutch but I believe Stark is working on one (or was, haven’t really kept up with their updates).
Electric Motion has clutches on their ebikes so it is possible..
One can just imagine all the sounds you could upload!😆
*please let farts be an option, please let farts be an option, please let farts be an option, please let farts be an option 🤞🏼🤞🏼🤞🏼🤞🏼
No ICE.
End of the story.
Bob, I'm not a clutch abuser at all. In fact I'm over 100 hrs. on my 300SX clutch. I do ride a lot of really gnarly terrain where I use the clutch to feel for traction which is part of the reason, but having a finger on the clutch can be a lifesaver in those moments where you need an instant whack of power to get out of trouble and equally so to release drive to the wheel instantly.
You’ve already got The Real Sasquatch. Here comes Beagle in 3…2…1…
As a Tesla owner (which I love), I can see the appeal of electric bikes. The maintenance is next-to-nothing, the tech is cool, and the performance is off-the-charts insane. However, I cannot buy a Stark due to these (3) reasons (#2&3 are the bigger factors):
1) Price: $13-$14k is just too much. Everytime I sell my old bike and pay the rest in cash for a new one every couple of years. The new bike is usually $9-$10k out the door. For a Stark, I would have to put an extra $8k-$9k on top of the cash I got from selling my old bike would make me anxious. That's a lot of $$$, especially for a dirtbike.
2) Range/Charging: I only ride tracks so I could probably get 30-40 on a charge then I would have to wait 3 hours for a recharge. I usually try to ride 1.5 hours at least each time I go to the track. I would not want to sit there for hours while the track gets deteriorated. I like to get all my riding done up front as soon as I can.
3) Charging: Unless you have an electric truck (Rivian, Ford Lightning, Cybertruck), you'll have to either plug in to power or bring a generator. None of the tracks I ride have pedestals, so I'd have to bring my own generator which is just silly. That's an extra $1000 and can only charge at 120V.
Until the price comes down to the normal ICE motorcycle price range and the range is increased to (2) hours of track time or charging time is improved I cannot buy one. But would always bring my 2 stroke to the track even if I did.
what are the negatives? Bro u just listed all of them in this post
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People on here tell me I cant say anything about them because I don't own one. Yet they are saying they dislike them without even riding one. If You go out and ride one and say it will not work for you, I'm not going to argue. For me its like I found an amazing track to ride and I want to share it with as many people as I can.
People ride for so many reasons . What I have fun on might not be fun for somebody else. I've just talked to so many people that have had a positive experience with a Varg . And I myself have had a lot of fun with electric vehicles and a little on a Varg I've had people who said they would never ride and electric bike, come back and tell me how amazing the Varg was at many things. Not all of them went out and bought one . But some have and most say that electric will be the future and when whatever brand they favor makes one they will have one. I feel like I found something that is a ton of fun and just want to share the fun with others.
In the lower power setting I can see the issue with quick blipping not being similar to an ICE bike. I found myself reaching for a clutch by instinct . I think for an older guy that is very set in their ways , it might be difficult to learn the different way of controlling the power. So for some people it might not work. I have had multiple friends ride a Varg or Alta and tell me I was right about not needing a clutch and gears. But every riding style is different. And most of them have been Moto guys.
For me, and my size I have never been able to get a foot brake and shifter setup to be as comfortable as I was in 15 minutes of riding the Varg. But I have a missing ACL in my right leg, a fused left foot and I'm 6'9" tall.
I keep seeing them advertised for $10K . Here is a place in FL that is selling them online for $10K well 11K I went all the way up to the payment part and it never asked for any other fees etc. I don't know the shop. But I did find it on google earth and confirm it is real and in the US in FL.
No sound... (other than the clacking chain)
No smell...
No range..
No soul...
Not a chance in hell.
Can they audio sound like an old V10 F1 car? That would be cool!
Will see how the environment treats these bikes. The longevity of the battery and motor in the harsher setting (Heat, water, jumps (power washer!) and all will determine the next steps.
To be honest, the challenge is the closing of places to ride. While noise is one issue, riding areas will continue to be the challenge
Noise is just the top of the slippery slope.....
Yamaha has a clutch like device on the electric they are working on. It can be done. They started out with a multiple speed trans but went with just the spring like device that will be like slipping the clutch to get that pop.
With an electric You can just charge a little at a time and its not going to impact the total lifespan or runtime. If You are able to get 45 minutes of runtime and are doing 20 minute moto's. You can charge for a little bit in between. Its just a different way of thinking if your riding allows for it. I'm not 100% sure about this with the Varg, but often batteries will charge the first 80% faster than the last bit to top it off. If the runtime is an issue that is not able to be worked around , or worth a workaround for somebody than I agree the Varg is not right for You.
Around me everybody has a generator so I always laugh that people bring that up. With a Varg You will never need a new exhaust system $ 1 -2K , clutch if You go with a recluse or Hinson setup another $500 to 1000+ depending on how far you go . Never mind never having to buy air or oil filters, mod a motor or buy race gas. You'll even save money on gear and engine oil changes. 1 quart will do almost 500 hours worth of oil changes.
Like anything on Dirt You'll spend money to keep it going, its just going to be in different places . I'm sure some other things will pop up that are not great. Like any bike.
I would say some of the drawbacks I've seen or heard about that I agree are drawbacks without a possible positive
Are the soft hardware that was posted about.
Being unable to race AMA races. and maybe not as many classes as an ICE bike right now.
For some guys the lack of sound is a negative but a positive for others .
The range if You ride off road at high speed like desert stuff . Or multiple day long rides.
Maybe some places. But Its crazy to think it would be everyplace. Sound is easy to get support behind a movement. Who wants to listen to bikes all day if You are not riding them?
I can see Dust being an issue , water use like it is with a water park or watering a lawn, etc. But those issues are easier to solve than the noise is.
And luckily not everybody is a miserable person that just wants to make everybody else miserable . There are a lot of people who will not care if it is not impacting them.
It sounds like we are all doomed anyway. So everybody should just ride whatever is the most fun.
Every time one of these stark/electric bike debate posts pop up I always think of it like this. In the surfing world there are many diferent size/shapes of boards and each one has a different strength suited to a type of riding. The stark to me is just another option to get out and have the best possible experience in a given situation. That being said I’m gonna hold out until the range goes up and the price comes down.
I also giggle at the generator thing. Literally no one Ive talked to (at least in moto) cares about the environmental impact of gas vs. electric. Families run generators anyway and what could potentially happen is local tracks update their facilities and we get some outlets to plug into. Even if I didn’t have an ebike, I’d pay an extra (lets say $20 for arguments sake) to have electricity on a race weekend. Once the tech catches up, this will just be a no brainer. Im going to hang onto my 2 stroke as long as humanly possible but its pretty cool our dumb little sport is on the forefront of this technology.
You can charge 220 off of a generator. I do it every weekend.
There is no gas to put the oil into
I've seen motors go into 100K hour territory. Granted, different applications (same RPM for the life of the motor), but I'd put money on the frame being sacked before the motor becomes an issue. If a motor at work only lasts 5k hours or so, it's an anomaly usually caused by something (motor was too small for the application or the gearbox locked up, burning the motor up).
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