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Say what you will about Ryno but he is a riding technique savant. Most people, me included think of Deegs as just a hammerhead who rides harder than everyone else, but Ryno made me pay a bit more attention and during Saturday's race I didn't see one time where Haiden wasn't in optimal body position. I can't wait for the Chase, Jett and Deegan battles.
I’m probably in the minority here, but to me it feels like everyone overanalyses technique.
Eli, Jett, RC, Stew, RV etc all have VERY different riding styles yet are insanely fast on a bike..
Obviously having a proper terchnique is important but I don’t believe there is only one correct way..
Most experts I've heard do agree with you otherwise you would never have a guy like Zacho winning 450 mx championships just like Jett or Chase. Lots of ways that it can be done. That being said I (Random Internet Jackass) think as the sport matures riding technique will get better defined and perfected. Most physical acts have one perfect way to do it.
The funny thing with Deegan is with his technique as described by Ryno, Haiden also looks much more race-ready than many others. As he is stretched out on the bike, low in a race position it's almost like some guys that he pass riding with their butts tucked in look like they are from a different decade.
I remember was it Moto4/5 which movie, there was segment with Ryno coaching Deegs in Pala, playing Skid Rows youth gone wild
Yes and no. If you take two riders with identical fitness, genetics, will to win and what ever variables that comes to mind, the one with the best technique will win.
RC could compensate his lack of finess with fitness and will. But if he had been up against a rider with the same amount of will and fitness but could ride like Everts, Windham, or a guy like Jett he would have a harder time to win.
In some eras the technique weight more than other eras just because how good or bad your main competition were.
Think about how much fitter you have to be than Jett today if you are going to ride around and waste 20-30% more energy than what he does on the track.
And for each generation that comes up now they train harder and harder, and the riders are more at a same level when it comes to fitness than in the RC/JS/Reed days so the riding technique play a big role right now.
But remove Haiden from the 250’s and Jett, Hunter and Sexton from the 450’s other things could be a larger decider all of a sudden.
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Like Matthes said, every riding coach points at who’s winning right now and says this is what they have been preaching, after Jett people thought riding like Deegan wouldn’t work anymore
Technique can make a huge difference, but some guys I think rely on it too much. Deegan has good technique, but I think his height limits him in some ways. Then you look at Shimoda and Kitchen, who have such nice technique, but they just don't fucking send it. I don't know how you can watch Deegan push past you and think it's okay to just sit there and fall back on your smooth style. At some point, if you don't like the track, your bike, too bad, fucking push past it. Yes, this is a dangerous sport, and if you don't want to risk hurting yourself then that's understandable, but then admit to yourself that you don't really want to do whatever it takes to win. Deegan irritates me to no end with his attitude and interviews, but it's undeniable that the guy will do whatever it takes to win and it's pathetic to me that so many other riders don't have that kind of commitment. You can do all the cardio and training facilities but put it on the damn line when it counts.
Okay this discussion inspired some kind of rant in me lol.
As someone who has been told that they have a smooth riding style their entire life, I can guarantee you that those guys do not feel as if they are riding smooth and playing it safe. It does not feel smooth and safe. That’s just how they look when they ride. Saying they need to push harder and get injured or accept that they won’t do anything it takes to win is beyond foolish. Deegan is simply faster. Were you saying the same about Deegan before he started winning?
Exactly. Just like how there can be more than one fast line. Look at Tomac at Seattle in '23. In the first rhythm section he was rolling over the first single and then jumping a completely different line. It looks slow in the first 2 jumps, but then its faster in the middle.
Little detour but ... How would Pourcel's technique get analyzed? Cuz gawd damn that guy was smooth.
Imagine a coach saying 'ride like Carmichael, Hannah, and magoo'.
Yep, those gents never won any races...LOL.
Exactly. Different weight, sizes, and everything affects a riders technique. Larry Ward looked a bit unorthodox but he was tall. Fast forward to today's riders and someone like Deegan is smaller so he's going to adapt his size to his style and technique.
Can the riding coaches in here tell me what is wrong with this photo? Looks fine to me
Agree big time, Heart and Agressiveness! Just race the freaking motorcycle, sick of hearing the new catchword "Comfort" out of everyones mouth.
Stewart, Carmichael, Mcgrath didnt talk all the time about comfort.
Ryno, hmmmmm and his protoge' Cantazaro, how many races they won riding with theyre butt out like a girl racing mx?
The brute guys will beat the smooth guys until the smooth guys figure out how to go faster...
Which will then force the brute guys to go faster until the smooth guys figure out how to go faster...
And so on and so on.
It's just like every other sport; there isn't a perfect technique, there is just the next technique to beat the last one which only lasts until the next one evolves.
I don't know if Kitchen necessarily has the best technique. He's one of the main guys that I notice has the hunched shoulder look when he rides - his back is often arched and knees bent forward. I'm not saying it's "bad" - he's one of the best dirt bike riders in the world. But, from a "by the books" standpoint, he has some flaws. I would argue the two guys in the 250 class with the best technique are Deegan and Hymas. People often associate aggressiveness with a lack of technique, but they are not mutually exclusive. Just because Deegan rides the bike hard and "sends it" doesn't mean his technique is lacking.
Jeremy and RC had nothing in common riding wise aside from both being men on a dirtbike. Their approaches to racing couldn't be more different.
I always thought Larry ward looked incredible on the bike
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In my opinion, which doesn't mean shit. Technique becomes more important on a 450. The power of the bike exacerbates any technical flaw.
I think Deegan is more like a Tomac and less like a Barcia. In other words, I think he'll be okay.
Thats the point, all that set up shit (hell carmichaels bike set up noone couldve rode) the point is they fucking hot after it, no excuses, no unlocking their fucking hips they just plainly got after it. Comfort? They just got after it and won
To run wide open for 30 +2 on a 450 you need technique to have the energy to do that.
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Magoo gets alot of crap for his hi profile crashes, but I got to see him ride both at professional and local races. His technique was awesome, standing up, head forward, totally in command of the motorcycle. I once saw him pass another pro in a hairpin riding on the outside edge of the same berm the other guys was in. Standing up on the outside edge of a 180 turn berm. Blew my mind how anybody could do that.
Me as well, but he is so tall that he hung off the back a bit. His technique was spot on though and a very stylish rider.
Why wasn’t Ryno pointing at Deegan 12 months ago?
Because Crying Ryan is a bandwagon jumper. As soon as he sees the band wagon moving then he hops on board and acts like he invented what ever the bandwagon is carrying . Ryno is a kook.
Seems like everyone has great technique now. All the kids at LL look incredible. If everyone has amazing technique, what's going to separate them from each other? Maybe the ability to step out of their comfort zone and send it like Deegz?
To say RC would have a hard time with anyone, as if he wouldn’t win, is a hot take. I mean a steaming hot take.
If you haven't noticed his massive progression you must be blind.
" Ol' Ryno" seems to be "pissed off" a lot.
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