Hymas and Plessinger injured going into MXON

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I love these guys and am sure they will commit despite their injuries but is this the team we should be sending?

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This could have been a hell of a team with Haiden and Eli. It is what it is, at this point. Whoever actually does the race will try their hardest.  I'm excited to see Chase in MX1 on a European track. 

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Unfortunately the days of RJ, Johnny O, and Bailey are gone. 

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In 1982 Donnie Hansen was injured a few days before the MXDN at a practice track in Germany. David Bailey flew over last minute to fill in and this was our second win.

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Maybe this race should be every 4 years, like the olympics ….. 

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Redrcr34 wrote:
In 1982 Donnie Hansen was injured a few days before the MXDN at a practice track in Germany. David Bailey flew over last minute to fill...

In 1982 Donnie Hansen was injured a few days before the MXDN at a practice track in Germany. David Bailey flew over last minute to fill in and this was our second win.

The year that Magoo laid waste to the field for 4 straight motos!

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Instead of USA sending over 2 injured racers they should either be replaced with 2 healthy racers or do not go with a 75% team. I like both AP and Hymas just not injured. 

Hymas so injured that he can not even race playoffs is a 100% no go.

Tomac would love to go and if Star Racing team supports it Danger boy would be a damaging team for the other countries.

Go ahead flame on.

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lumpy790 wrote:
Instead of USA sending over 2 injured racers they should either be replaced with 2 healthy racers or do not go with a 75% team. I...

Instead of USA sending over 2 injured racers they should either be replaced with 2 healthy racers or do not go with a 75% team. I like both AP and Hymas just not injured. 

Hymas so injured that he can not even race playoffs is a 100% no go.

Tomac would love to go and if Star Racing team supports it Danger boy would be a damaging team for the other countries.

Go ahead flame on.

Deegan already said he’s not going even if Hymas doesn’t go due to injury. But Hymas was a bad pick to begin with, not because of his results which were good, but because of his injury. AP simply doesn’t have the MXoN record for me to have much faith in him.  

It would be nice to see Tomac and Cooper step up and fill in for AP and Hymas, but I doubt AP and Hymas will surrender their spot. 

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lumpy790 wrote:
Instead of USA sending over 2 injured racers they should either be replaced with 2 healthy racers or do not go with a 75% team. I...

Instead of USA sending over 2 injured racers they should either be replaced with 2 healthy racers or do not go with a 75% team. I like both AP and Hymas just not injured. 

Hymas so injured that he can not even race playoffs is a 100% no go.

Tomac would love to go and if Star Racing team supports it Danger boy would be a damaging team for the other countries.

Go ahead flame on.

971_Fan wrote:
Deegan already said he’s not going even if Hymas doesn’t go due to injury. But Hymas was a bad pick to begin with, not because of...

Deegan already said he’s not going even if Hymas doesn’t go due to injury. But Hymas was a bad pick to begin with, not because of his results which were good, but because of his injury. AP simply doesn’t have the MXoN record for me to have much faith in him.  

It would be nice to see Tomac and Cooper step up and fill in for AP and Hymas, but I doubt AP and Hymas will surrender their spot. 

Hymas showed both the speed, starts endurance and determination for a solid spot on the team so at least for me he was a solid pick.

AP has had a great year and was a solid pick.

Its just the recent serious injuries that are a no go.

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lumpy790 wrote:
Instead of USA sending over 2 injured racers they should either be replaced with 2 healthy racers or do not go with a 75% team. I...

Instead of USA sending over 2 injured racers they should either be replaced with 2 healthy racers or do not go with a 75% team. I like both AP and Hymas just not injured. 

Hymas so injured that he can not even race playoffs is a 100% no go.

Tomac would love to go and if Star Racing team supports it Danger boy would be a damaging team for the other countries.

Go ahead flame on.

The problem is that both Tomac and Deegan withdrew themselves from selection, not that they weren’t selected.

Biggest problem is who are your alternates?  If AP can’t go the next obvious selection is Webb but if Star are reluctant to send Tomac or Deegan then Webb falls into the same boat.  Anderson can’t go, then you’re down to Stewart, and after that it’s probably Christian Craig again.

Same in the 250’s, it’s a long way down the list to find an eligible rider who can go.

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ando wrote:
The problem is that both Tomac and Deegan withdrew themselves from selection, not that they weren’t selected.Biggest problem is who are your alternates?  If AP can’t...

The problem is that both Tomac and Deegan withdrew themselves from selection, not that they weren’t selected.

Biggest problem is who are your alternates?  If AP can’t go the next obvious selection is Webb but if Star are reluctant to send Tomac or Deegan then Webb falls into the same boat.  Anderson can’t go, then you’re down to Stewart, and after that it’s probably Christian Craig again.

Same in the 250’s, it’s a long way down the list to find an eligible rider who can go.

If he's not injured, I would send Justin Cooper over Webb. He's been racing all summer and he had great results. 

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9/15/2024 1:11pm Edited Date/Time 9/15/2024 1:43pm

Lots of injuries this year. I sure wish we could replace them. 

I love both of those dudes but if they’re hurt, it’s just not a good idea to race. 

 Stewart and Beaumer 

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lumpy790 wrote:
Instead of USA sending over 2 injured racers they should either be replaced with 2 healthy racers or do not go with a 75% team. I...

Instead of USA sending over 2 injured racers they should either be replaced with 2 healthy racers or do not go with a 75% team. I like both AP and Hymas just not injured. 

Hymas so injured that he can not even race playoffs is a 100% no go.

Tomac would love to go and if Star Racing team supports it Danger boy would be a damaging team for the other countries.

Go ahead flame on.

ando wrote:
The problem is that both Tomac and Deegan withdrew themselves from selection, not that they weren’t selected.Biggest problem is who are your alternates?  If AP can’t...

The problem is that both Tomac and Deegan withdrew themselves from selection, not that they weren’t selected.

Biggest problem is who are your alternates?  If AP can’t go the next obvious selection is Webb but if Star are reluctant to send Tomac or Deegan then Webb falls into the same boat.  Anderson can’t go, then you’re down to Stewart, and after that it’s probably Christian Craig again.

Same in the 250’s, it’s a long way down the list to find an eligible rider who can go.

Webb would get his arse handed to him.  He'd barely crack the top ten. 

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9/15/2024 2:11pm
sandman768 wrote:

Maybe this race should be every 4 years, like the olympics ….. 

MXers tend to have a fairly short shelf life.  I'd work on eliminating the financial stumbling block before anything else.  Just eliminate money from the equation.

I sound like a broken record but .25 or .50 cents from every SX/MX ticket sold would not hurt the series operators and would not only fund the team but provide some decent purse money for the boys.

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9/15/2024 2:14pm

In the post race press conference Deegan reiterated he’s not going. They do need to replace Hymas at least. The kids got heart, but the body isn’t ready. It was marginal before SMX. 

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Levi crashes less than RJ.

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9/15/2024 3:44pm

Didn’t I hear Lars in his post race interview say something along the lines of Hymas is sitting out SMX so he will be ready for the MXDN? And that it was very important to him and the team.  

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ando wrote:
The problem is that both Tomac and Deegan withdrew themselves from selection, not that they weren’t selected.Biggest problem is who are your alternates?  If AP can’t...

The problem is that both Tomac and Deegan withdrew themselves from selection, not that they weren’t selected.

Biggest problem is who are your alternates?  If AP can’t go the next obvious selection is Webb but if Star are reluctant to send Tomac or Deegan then Webb falls into the same boat.  Anderson can’t go, then you’re down to Stewart, and after that it’s probably Christian Craig again.

Same in the 250’s, it’s a long way down the list to find an eligible rider who can go.

-MAVERICK- wrote:

If he's not injured, I would send Justin Cooper over Webb. He's been racing all summer and he had great results. 

Of course, don’t why I overlooked him!  Still the same Star problem though

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ando wrote:
The problem is that both Tomac and Deegan withdrew themselves from selection, not that they weren’t selected.Biggest problem is who are your alternates?  If AP can’t...

The problem is that both Tomac and Deegan withdrew themselves from selection, not that they weren’t selected.

Biggest problem is who are your alternates?  If AP can’t go the next obvious selection is Webb but if Star are reluctant to send Tomac or Deegan then Webb falls into the same boat.  Anderson can’t go, then you’re down to Stewart, and after that it’s probably Christian Craig again.

Same in the 250’s, it’s a long way down the list to find an eligible rider who can go.

-MAVERICK- wrote:

If he's not injured, I would send Justin Cooper over Webb. He's been racing all summer and he had great results. 

Saw a photo on Instagram yesterday of him getting on a plane with his arm in a sling, so I don't think he's in any shape to go either. Hope I'm wrong and he's good to go for next weekend (and possibly MXdN if he's needed).

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9/15/2024 4:50pm
lumpy790 wrote:
Instead of USA sending over 2 injured racers they should either be replaced with 2 healthy racers or do not go with a 75% team. I...

Instead of USA sending over 2 injured racers they should either be replaced with 2 healthy racers or do not go with a 75% team. I like both AP and Hymas just not injured. 

Hymas so injured that he can not even race playoffs is a 100% no go.

Tomac would love to go and if Star Racing team supports it Danger boy would be a damaging team for the other countries.

Go ahead flame on.

ando wrote:
The problem is that both Tomac and Deegan withdrew themselves from selection, not that they weren’t selected.Biggest problem is who are your alternates?  If AP can’t...

The problem is that both Tomac and Deegan withdrew themselves from selection, not that they weren’t selected.

Biggest problem is who are your alternates?  If AP can’t go the next obvious selection is Webb but if Star are reluctant to send Tomac or Deegan then Webb falls into the same boat.  Anderson can’t go, then you’re down to Stewart, and after that it’s probably Christian Craig again.

Same in the 250’s, it’s a long way down the list to find an eligible rider who can go.

Herr Lich wrote:

Webb would get his arse handed to him.  He'd barely crack the top ten. 

No way he'd even be top 10 on that track. He was 8th first moto at Unadilla this year. Add in the GP guys and he'd be lucky to be 14th

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This is getting ridiculous. AP seems like a nice guy and an enthusiastic racer, but judging from past international results he might be good for one top ten of the two motos he races in the MXoN. Sorry, but as far as pro mx riders go he is soft and happy just to be there, again sorry. Hymas is destined to be a career 250 rider in the states, no where near the level of Coenens, Adamo, Everts and the like, if he gets one top fifteen I will be surprised. As far as beating Carson Mumford and Cam Mac Adoo he may very well be your guy though. Sexton might get one top five, he is racing Prado, Gajser, Herlings, Fevre, Coldenhoff, on and on fast serious dudes. Not like the states where he is beating dudes like Malcolm, Craig, and Ferrandis going through the motions to get paid. We are in for a serious curb stomping, team USA might get fourth. Be prepared for Sexton to be a cry baby about bike set up as well. After all he has only had a year and a half on the bike with unlimited resources.

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9/15/2024 5:54pm Edited Date/Time 9/15/2024 6:11pm

We’re screwed. AP finished just about where he started in Moto 1, he can’t race forward if he doesn’t get a start. 

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This is getting ridiculous. AP seems like a nice guy and an enthusiastic racer, but judging from past international results he might be good for one...

This is getting ridiculous. AP seems like a nice guy and an enthusiastic racer, but judging from past international results he might be good for one top ten of the two motos he races in the MXoN. Sorry, but as far as pro mx riders go he is soft and happy just to be there, again sorry. Hymas is destined to be a career 250 rider in the states, no where near the level of Coenens, Adamo, Everts and the like, if he gets one top fifteen I will be surprised. As far as beating Carson Mumford and Cam Mac Adoo he may very well be your guy though. Sexton might get one top five, he is racing Prado, Gajser, Herlings, Fevre, Coldenhoff, on and on fast serious dudes. Not like the states where he is beating dudes like Malcolm, Craig, and Ferrandis going through the motions to get paid. We are in for a serious curb stomping, team USA might get fourth. Be prepared for Sexton to be a cry baby about bike set up as well. After all he has only had a year and a half on the bike with unlimited resources.

lol, you might have missed it with you hater blinds on but Hymas was one of the only guys to be able to put it to Deegs on a 250. Oh yeah AP is also one of the guys putting it to the 450 field the last half of outdoors, but yeah keep hating on the guys that volunteered to go represent the USA

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9/15/2024 6:21pm
Spoonguy wrote:
This is getting ridiculous. AP seems like a nice guy and an enthusiastic racer, but judging from past international results he might be good for one...

This is getting ridiculous. AP seems like a nice guy and an enthusiastic racer, but judging from past international results he might be good for one top ten of the two motos he races in the MXoN. Sorry, but as far as pro mx riders go he is soft and happy just to be there, again sorry. Hymas is destined to be a career 250 rider in the states, no where near the level of Coenens, Adamo, Everts and the like, if he gets one top fifteen I will be surprised. As far as beating Carson Mumford and Cam Mac Adoo he may very well be your guy though. Sexton might get one top five, he is racing Prado, Gajser, Herlings, Fevre, Coldenhoff, on and on fast serious dudes. Not like the states where he is beating dudes like Malcolm, Craig, and Ferrandis going through the motions to get paid. We are in for a serious curb stomping, team USA might get fourth. Be prepared for Sexton to be a cry baby about bike set up as well. After all he has only had a year and a half on the bike with unlimited resources.

So you didn't watch outdoors this summer? 

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9/15/2024 6:43pm Edited Date/Time 9/15/2024 6:44pm
Spoonguy wrote:
This is getting ridiculous. AP seems like a nice guy and an enthusiastic racer, but judging from past international results he might be good for one...

This is getting ridiculous. AP seems like a nice guy and an enthusiastic racer, but judging from past international results he might be good for one top ten of the two motos he races in the MXoN. Sorry, but as far as pro mx riders go he is soft and happy just to be there, again sorry. Hymas is destined to be a career 250 rider in the states, no where near the level of Coenens, Adamo, Everts and the like, if he gets one top fifteen I will be surprised. As far as beating Carson Mumford and Cam Mac Adoo he may very well be your guy though. Sexton might get one top five, he is racing Prado, Gajser, Herlings, Fevre, Coldenhoff, on and on fast serious dudes. Not like the states where he is beating dudes like Malcolm, Craig, and Ferrandis going through the motions to get paid. We are in for a serious curb stomping, team USA might get fourth. Be prepared for Sexton to be a cry baby about bike set up as well. After all he has only had a year and a half on the bike with unlimited resources.

Well when you just race on flat sand or supermoto tracks all season, no one gets injured very badly. 😏

9/15/2024 8:11pm

Please father in heaven, please send Eli and Jcoop (250) with Sexton. Amen. 

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Please father in heaven, please send Eli and Jcoop (250) with Sexton. Amen. 

JCoop didn;t race moto 2 at SMX2 due to a crash in moto 1.  He stood by me during moto 2 in the pits with his left arm in a sling and said my shoulder is banged up.

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9/15/2024 8:22pm

Please father in heaven, please send Eli and Jcoop (250) with Sexton. Amen. 

kennyc wrote:
JCoop didn;t race moto 2 at SMX2 due to a crash in moto 1.  He stood by me during moto 2 in the pits with his...

JCoop didn;t race moto 2 at SMX2 due to a crash in moto 1.  He stood by me during moto 2 in the pits with his left arm in a sling and said my shoulder is banged up.

Well fk us then. The only other choice is Chef. 

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Spoonguy wrote:
This is getting ridiculous. AP seems like a nice guy and an enthusiastic racer, but judging from past international results he might be good for one...

This is getting ridiculous. AP seems like a nice guy and an enthusiastic racer, but judging from past international results he might be good for one top ten of the two motos he races in the MXoN. Sorry, but as far as pro mx riders go he is soft and happy just to be there, again sorry. Hymas is destined to be a career 250 rider in the states, no where near the level of Coenens, Adamo, Everts and the like, if he gets one top fifteen I will be surprised. As far as beating Carson Mumford and Cam Mac Adoo he may very well be your guy though. Sexton might get one top five, he is racing Prado, Gajser, Herlings, Fevre, Coldenhoff, on and on fast serious dudes. Not like the states where he is beating dudes like Malcolm, Craig, and Ferrandis going through the motions to get paid. We are in for a serious curb stomping, team USA might get fourth. Be prepared for Sexton to be a cry baby about bike set up as well. After all he has only had a year and a half on the bike with unlimited resources.

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lol, you might have missed it with you hater blinds on but Hymas was one of the only guys to be able to put it to...

lol, you might have missed it with you hater blinds on but Hymas was one of the only guys to be able to put it to Deegs on a 250. Oh yeah AP is also one of the guys putting it to the 450 field the last half of outdoors, but yeah keep hating on the guys that volunteered to go represent the USA

With what sort of regularity are you talking? Of course, for a race or two, perhaps several, but week in and week out I stand by what I have said. Certainly, Plessinger did well in the Nationals, but the Nationals did prove Hunter was faster than him most days, now add Gasjer, Prado, Herlings, Febvre, Coldenhoff, Roczen, etc.., he is in for a long day. Like I said, he might get one top ten, which is his normal at the des Nations based on the past times he went. It is not hating to simply base your opinion on past results. As far as Hymas, his results were erratic this season and he is injured, this statement is not hating at all, it is just stating the obvious. As far as Sexton, he will get a top five perhaps, but Jett gives him problems so expect Prado and Gasjer to give him problems as well. Hey, it's great these guys volunteered, we live in a world where participation trophies matter now, but if you think they have a chance in hell of winning you are naive. This is obviously why Deegan isn't going, he races to win, this team doesn't have a chance. Ready for the chime in with "I would rather have guys that want to go", or "Yeah well they are faster than you" narrative, logically this thinking still won't increase this team's chances. If Roger is the reason some teams won't release riders to go, he needs to go. If money is the reason some riders can't go, we need fund raisers. Why can't anyone think of this shit sensibly until the month we are supposed to go. If you love racing in this country our best riders have to go to this race to win, not to just be present.

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