KTM/ Husqvarna/ GasGas future ….

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When you go to a KTM shop and they have rows and rows of bikes with none for less than 10K, that is a problem. The...

When you go to a KTM shop and they have rows and rows of bikes with none for less than 10K, that is a problem. The whole "ready to race" mantra has bit them hard. Unless you are willing to spend considerable coin on setup where do they expect you to buy your wife's bike or a kid's bike if he/she doesn't race? I think Honda sells a shit load more CRF/Fs than CRF/Rs, Yamaha more TTRs than YZs, KTM has nothing like that. And it's not just about the sale, it is the traffic in the stores bikes like that bring in. Add to that legitimately shitting on street bike customers warranty claims, I was one of them, this is a recipe for implosion. I love my KTM dirt bikes, I hope they right the ship, but they really fucked me over on my street bike. The national service manager literally told me, " There is nothing wrong with my 1190 Adventurer, so nothing could be wrong with yours". Sold it with a few thousand dollar loss and a good education.

So what was wrong with the 1190?

Riding my 1190 made walking a pleasure. 15 minutes in the seat got so hot you could cook a steak on it, and the electronics were a Japanese game show in random breakdowns, not working, working.

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Doesn't Red Bull bankroll most of KTM's racing?

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My local KTM/HQ/GG dealer has 71 off-road bikes listed on their online inventory. 2024s discounted anywhere from $1000-3000+ (including factory editions). Idk how many units a dealer typically has but this just seems like an insane number of bikes to just be sitting. 

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Never understood the Husky & GasGas purchases. If they wanted to offer white or red KTM's, just offer white or red editions or plastic kits.

They could've used GasGas to fill in gaps caused by their "Ready to Race" marketing by offering CRF-F / TT-R style air-cooled GasGas trail bikes. 

Lastly, GasGas is a silly name and even sillier when they start slapping that name on ELECTRIC MTB's.

Let's not forget that KTM bought Husaberg and ultimately just dissolved it.

Bumbled decision making all around.

 

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SPYGUY wrote:
Never understood the Husky & GasGas purchases. If they wanted to offer white or red KTM's, just offer white or red editions or plastic kits.They could've...

Never understood the Husky & GasGas purchases. If they wanted to offer white or red KTM's, just offer white or red editions or plastic kits.

They could've used GasGas to fill in gaps caused by their "Ready to Race" marketing by offering CRF-F / TT-R style air-cooled GasGas trail bikes. 

Lastly, GasGas is a silly name and even sillier when they start slapping that name on ELECTRIC MTB's.

Let's not forget that KTM bought Husaberg and ultimately just dissolved it.

Bumbled decision making all around.

 

I think they bought Husaberg to get the rights to that 4stk engine then once they owned it they canned them. They also stole Husaberg's slogan of ready to race.

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8/26/2024 11:19am
wr74 wrote:
I saw that too and did a bit of research...Pierer Mobility group share price is at multi year lows.  Market cap is around 850mln.  For reference...

I saw that too and did a bit of research...

Pierer Mobility group share price is at multi year lows.  Market cap is around 850mln.  For reference, Honda Japan market cap is around 52Bln.

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Ktm is either going broke or about to be bought out, possibly both.

Honda could buy them before lunch and think about what to do with the brand in the afternoon!

 

They could buy back all their customers that went from Honda to Ktm in the 2000s.

 

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8/26/2024 11:20am

Husaberg is now the Husqvarna line at KTM

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sam hain wrote:
I think they bought Husaberg to get the rights to that 4stk engine then once they owned it they canned them. They also stole Husaberg's slogan...

I think they bought Husaberg to get the rights to that 4stk engine then once they owned it they canned them. They also stole Husaberg's slogan of ready to race.

Discontinuing the Husaberg engine/frame combo was a truly baffling decision. If you've ever ridden one of those bikes, it had the pull of a 450 with the nimbleness and feel of a 125. One of my favorite bikes ever, and I'm picky as hell. KTM's decision-makers have, without question, often engaged in some epically boneheaded behavior, and unfortunately, evidence of boneheadedness often results in a tanked stock price. 

They can turn it around, perhaps, but it would take some clever, innovative, thinking, and that ain't easy when there's wolves scratching at your door.

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I am really interested to see how this plays out. I've been surprised with how aggressive they've been in the motorsports world in the last 10 years or so, but just assumed they knew a whole lot more than I did.

KTM quality has gone down significantly despite being a "premium" brand. That reputation for premium quality is starting to wear off, it will be interesting to see how they pivot. 

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Drop those weak ass 4 strokes and offer 2 strokes only. Instant sales!

I need a Husqvarna TC500 in my life.

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8/26/2024 11:47am

You can hate them, but they have brought a bunch of innovation to the segment. 

Think we’d have electric start bikes from the japs by now if ktm didn’t bring that to market first? 
What about finger adjustment suspension clickers? I just saw the 25 Yamahas now offer that on the forks now…

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Bigoldbeef wrote:
You can hate them, but they have brought a bunch of innovation to the segment. Think we’d have electric start bikes from the japs by now if...

You can hate them, but they have brought a bunch of innovation to the segment. 

Think we’d have electric start bikes from the japs by now if ktm didn’t bring that to market first? 
What about finger adjustment suspension clickers? I just saw the 25 Yamahas now offer that on the forks now…

I agree, KTM defiantly pushed the other brands to up their game. What they've done with the 2stks is remarkable IMO, no other brand has put the R&D in 2stks like KTM has. 

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8/26/2024 12:05pm
Bigoldbeef wrote:
You can hate them, but they have brought a bunch of innovation to the segment. Think we’d have electric start bikes from the japs by now if...

You can hate them, but they have brought a bunch of innovation to the segment. 

Think we’d have electric start bikes from the japs by now if ktm didn’t bring that to market first? 
What about finger adjustment suspension clickers? I just saw the 25 Yamahas now offer that on the forks now…

sam hain wrote:
I agree, KTM defiantly pushed the other brands to up their game. What they've done with the 2stks is remarkable IMO, no other brand has put...

I agree, KTM defiantly pushed the other brands to up their game. What they've done with the 2stks is remarkable IMO, no other brand has put the R&D in 2stks like KTM has. 

They fucked up their twostrokes big time with the TBI SX models last year. If you look at any high level 125 race here in europe, there are barely any 23-25 models. They're all on the carburated 19-22 bikes.

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Bigoldbeef wrote:
You can hate them, but they have brought a bunch of innovation to the segment. Think we’d have electric start bikes from the japs by now if...

You can hate them, but they have brought a bunch of innovation to the segment. 

Think we’d have electric start bikes from the japs by now if ktm didn’t bring that to market first? 
What about finger adjustment suspension clickers? I just saw the 25 Yamahas now offer that on the forks now…

sam hain wrote:
I agree, KTM defiantly pushed the other brands to up their game. What they've done with the 2stks is remarkable IMO, no other brand has put...

I agree, KTM defiantly pushed the other brands to up their game. What they've done with the 2stks is remarkable IMO, no other brand has put the R&D in 2stks like KTM has. 

They fucked up their twostrokes big time with the TBI SX models last year. If you look at any high level 125 race here in europe...

They fucked up their twostrokes big time with the TBI SX models last year. If you look at any high level 125 race here in europe, there are barely any 23-25 models. They're all on the carburated 19-22 bikes.

That may be true for the 125's but I've had four of the TBI's and haven't had an issue with any of them. Currently have a '24 Husky 300.

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Bigoldbeef wrote:
You can hate them, but they have brought a bunch of innovation to the segment. Think we’d have electric start bikes from the japs by now if...

You can hate them, but they have brought a bunch of innovation to the segment. 

Think we’d have electric start bikes from the japs by now if ktm didn’t bring that to market first? 
What about finger adjustment suspension clickers? I just saw the 25 Yamahas now offer that on the forks now…

sam hain wrote:
I agree, KTM defiantly pushed the other brands to up their game. What they've done with the 2stks is remarkable IMO, no other brand has put...

I agree, KTM defiantly pushed the other brands to up their game. What they've done with the 2stks is remarkable IMO, no other brand has put the R&D in 2stks like KTM has. 

They fucked up their twostrokes big time with the TBI SX models last year. If you look at any high level 125 race here in europe...

They fucked up their twostrokes big time with the TBI SX models last year. If you look at any high level 125 race here in europe, there are barely any 23-25 models. They're all on the carburated 19-22 bikes.

Same here in America! Ktm shit the bed with the small bores! don't get the there thinking! Man its getting hard to post with this shit editor on this site 😡

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8/26/2024 1:13pm Edited Date/Time 8/26/2024 1:21pm

Where did this guy get his crystal ball? 

Also, outside of his claims that GG & Husky are "gone"...and the racers being let go...(Are they, really?)... Well, what actual "news" did he throw out there? Is this Europe's Cooksey? 

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Spoonguy wrote:

Doesn't Red Bull bankroll most of KTM's racing?

As long as KTM stays in motogp while at the same time loosing billions, it shows that Pierre Mobility is not serious about the future of KTM. No big deal to exit motogp. Lots of motorcycle manufactures have exited. KTM has a few wins but is not competitive currently. They should spend some of the gp money instead on QC. Same with ford, if they spent 10% of what they wasted on ev's instead on quality, they would have not spent just shy of a billion dollars on warranty in 2023.. 

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GG121 wrote:
My local KTM/HQ/GG dealer has 71 off-road bikes listed on their online inventory. 2024s discounted anywhere from $1000-3000+ (including factory editions). Idk how many units a...

My local KTM/HQ/GG dealer has 71 off-road bikes listed on their online inventory. 2024s discounted anywhere from $1000-3000+ (including factory editions). Idk how many units a dealer typically has but this just seems like an insane number of bikes to just be sitting. 

Local Husky dealer and separate local KTM dealer both dropped the lines because they were making them stock X amount of inventory and making them buy:floor multiples models of bikes they had a history of not being able to sell. Like KTMs but hard to justify buying a new one.

8/26/2024 2:27pm
GG121 wrote:
My local KTM/HQ/GG dealer has 71 off-road bikes listed on their online inventory. 2024s discounted anywhere from $1000-3000+ (including factory editions). Idk how many units a...

My local KTM/HQ/GG dealer has 71 off-road bikes listed on their online inventory. 2024s discounted anywhere from $1000-3000+ (including factory editions). Idk how many units a dealer typically has but this just seems like an insane number of bikes to just be sitting. 

yak651 wrote:
Local Husky dealer and separate local KTM dealer both dropped the lines because they were making them stock X amount of inventory and making them buy:floor...

Local Husky dealer and separate local KTM dealer both dropped the lines because they were making them stock X amount of inventory and making them buy:floor multiples models of bikes they had a history of not being able to sell. Like KTMs but hard to justify buying a new one.

That sounds like the same problem we ran into with every manufacturer when I worked at the dealership. Especially those god awful Suzuki VanVans and Yamaha V-Star 250s. 

8/26/2024 2:54pm
yak651 wrote:
Local Husky dealer and separate local KTM dealer both dropped the lines because they were making them stock X amount of inventory and making them buy:floor...

Local Husky dealer and separate local KTM dealer both dropped the lines because they were making them stock X amount of inventory and making them buy:floor multiples models of bikes they had a history of not being able to sell. Like KTMs but hard to justify buying a new one.

That’s a very common problem amongst dealers of the Austrian brands, from what I read/hear. 

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Spoonguy wrote:

Doesn't Red Bull bankroll most of KTM's racing?

that's what the video said

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TeamGreen wrote:
Where did this guy get his crystal ball? Also, outside of his claims that GG & Husky are "gone"...and the racers being let go...(Are they, really?)... Well...

Where did this guy get his crystal ball? 

Also, outside of his claims that GG & Husky are "gone"...and the racers being let go...(Are they, really?)... Well, what actual "news" did he throw out there? Is this Europe's Cooksey? 

🤣

As usual, your making too much sense.  

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Hopefully the dealers are stacked to the gills with 300XC-Ws. A few more months there could be some big rebates...and I'll happily roll a new one right into my garage.

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BobPA wrote:
Hopefully the dealers are stacked to the gills with 300XC-Ws. A few more months there could be some big rebates...and I'll happily roll a new one...

Hopefully the dealers are stacked to the gills with 300XC-Ws. A few more months there could be some big rebates...and I'll happily roll a new one right into my garage.

Fingers crossed!

8/26/2024 7:07pm

Moto GP is a worldwide sport and is very popular in Indonesia and throughout Asia. So the majority of KTM's future sales will come from this part of the world and Moto GP is the best vehicle to showcase your brand. Plus Red Bull pays for most if not all of it. I think KTM will be fine in the long term but I do remember them just about going bankrupt before. Do you vitards not remember McGrath on a KTM and how embarrassing that was? Now look at the brand and their status in MX here in the states.

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8/26/2024 8:22pm
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KTM needs to go back to their core. Wasting tens of millions every year on motogp is insane. Drop the 50 state off road emissions models...

KTM needs to go back to their core. Wasting tens of millions every year on motogp is insane. Drop the 50 state off road emissions models and Move their US facility out of Ca. Drop the chinese manufacturing of KTM. Why buy an orange chinese bike for 12k when you can buy something else for much less. KTM should shed WP.    Pierre needs to step down as well as the board of directors. These dictators have run KTM into the ground. The US economy is going to take a few years to turn around. Hope the dealers can survive. And stop updating the chassis every 3 years. Get it right and stick with it for 5 years.

Didn’t we debunk the whole China made thing in that other thread? Thought the only stuff being made there was going to China or India?

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8/26/2024 8:22pm

So the only thing im getting out of this is to buy Pierre shares while they are in the shitter. Gotcha.

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8/26/2024 8:56pm

Didn’t we debunk the whole China made thing in that other thread? Thought the only stuff being made there was going to China or India?

There are several KTM motorcycles being made by CFMoto in China, that are on the dealers floors, the Adventure 790 is one of them. But just know that there are lots of parts on the current SXF, SX, XC and XCF bikes. Radiator’s on all of them are made in China. 
The quality is good, but that’s not the issue with me. 

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8/26/2024 9:12pm
Moto GP is a worldwide sport and is very popular in Indonesia and throughout Asia. So the majority of KTM's future sales will come from this...

Moto GP is a worldwide sport and is very popular in Indonesia and throughout Asia. So the majority of KTM's future sales will come from this part of the world and Moto GP is the best vehicle to showcase your brand. Plus Red Bull pays for most if not all of it. I think KTM will be fine in the long term but I do remember them just about going bankrupt before. Do you vitards not remember McGrath on a KTM and how embarrassing that was? Now look at the brand and their status in MX here in the states.

People forget that KTM's biggest market is not the US, it is Europe, India has the highest growth potential...

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