Where is all the hate for Antsie backing out of the MXDN…

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8/12/2024 1:29am
stewie94 wrote:
I can tell u why there isn’t any hate for max , cause some are sheep & its not popular to hate on somebody likable as...

I can tell u why there isn’t any hate for max , cause some are sheep & its not popular to hate on somebody likable as max! ppl gotta keep the same standard of praise & criticism for everybody 

DonM wrote:

Wait until the anti-American crowd wakes up….

Morning honey.

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8/12/2024 2:13am Edited Date/Time 8/12/2024 2:15am

Not that it matters, but there's a few other reasons there's not much upset.. 

First, Max isnt' even guaranteed to get picked anyway because he's barely ridden this year compared to other options. Second, this is a US-based site so there really aren't all that many Brits on here to get a decent sample size of how fans here may feel. Then there's the whole nationalism thing, the UK doesn't really do the whole flag-waving thing the way you guys do since there's four countries in the UK and three in team GB. It's far more low-key for us, I mean I'm Welsh first so you'd probably never find me waving red white and blue even though I support team GB in all sports where there is one. Plus no-one here expects us to be in with a shot at winning it given who's available, so it's not so critical we get all our high-profile guys there. 

Then of course, there's the thing about it not being him backing out but Star blocking it... 

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Didn't Anstie go to Star in order to be on a better bike for the MXdN? Or did i imagine that...

 

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8/12/2024 2:49am
DonM wrote:

Max said it is very unlikely he will race the MXDN…because Team GB won’t pay Star what they want…

So it's not max backing out. Please fix the topic title to not be clickbait and completly misleading. 

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8/12/2024 4:21am Edited Date/Time 8/12/2024 4:23am
Twigster wrote:
Not that it matters, but there's a few other reasons there's not much upset.. First, Max isnt' even guaranteed to get picked anyway because he's barely ridden...

Not that it matters, but there's a few other reasons there's not much upset.. 

First, Max isnt' even guaranteed to get picked anyway because he's barely ridden this year compared to other options. Second, this is a US-based site so there really aren't all that many Brits on here to get a decent sample size of how fans here may feel. Then there's the whole nationalism thing, the UK doesn't really do the whole flag-waving thing the way you guys do since there's four countries in the UK and three in team GB. It's far more low-key for us, I mean I'm Welsh first so you'd probably never find me waving red white and blue even though I support team GB in all sports where there is one. Plus no-one here expects us to be in with a shot at winning it given who's available, so it's not so critical we get all our high-profile guys there. 

Then of course, there's the thing about it not being him backing out but Star blocking it... 

I think Max would be one of the first guys on the list after the weekend. Especially seeing as our "top guys" are busy pissing around cherrypicking in a dead National series with empty start gates, and get their arses handed to them whenever they go to a race outside the UK bubble..

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8/12/2024 4:23am

I believe Anstie has represented his country on multiple occasions. Seems like a great guy, so there’s no reason to question him not going. 

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8/12/2024 4:26am
scott_nz wrote:

has Ansite been on the podium waving  a Union Jack saying how much he loves Great Britan?

That would require him to get a podium 

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I get Don’s OP and what he is saying. I get Max wanting to go but not wanting to pay, I get Star not wanting to front the bill, and I get team GB needing cash. 

I think the larger problem is InFront not lifting a finger to help the best riders show up at their biggest event. 

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The DonM guy is a fisherman,i admit,excellent catch.😂🤣👍

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8/12/2024 5:41am

 Never mind Antsie, is Anstie riding?

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DonM wrote:

Max said it is very unlikely he will race the MXDN…because Team GB won’t pay Star what they want…

thank you for helping us understand that a british racer depends on the ACU paying him to race, that helps us understand that it is the AMA that doesn't want to pay for a winning team......it makes the "agenda" of blaming the race a bit hallow

thank you also for letting us know that Anstie only depends on the huge price Star asked for him to race, while Deegan is waiting on knowing who the team mates will be.....it says a lot about Star and Deegan...... 

and at last......thank you for your post and the title of it, it makes us understand your purpose in this forum.......

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It all goes back to this (see pic).  If Anstie had recently stood up on the podium and made hyper nationalist comments designed to shit on...

It all goes back to this (see pic).  If Anstie had recently stood up on the podium and made hyper nationalist comments designed to shit on the Lawrences - then decided not to go the MXDN (for whatever reason) - he would have got shit.  However, leaving that aside - and if we believe the whole reason for Deegan and now Anstie not going is Star Racing - perhaps we should start shitting all over Star Racing instead.  I bet they're all about the USA in their attitudes and comments, just not when it comes to actually representing it.  And no, I'm not anti-American.  You can be anti-certain American individuals, institutions, and companies without being anti-the US.  I think the USA is an incredible country. Star Racing on the other hand is suspect. 

Haiden Deegan Talks About Washougal Sweep - Racer X

That is such a weak excuse to hide behind. Even if Haiden didn't hold that flag up, his detractors would still find a reason to shit on him. The same players (you being one of them) who show up in every thread are the same one's who disliked Haiden before he went pro. 

If Haiden wants to hold that flag up on the podium, he can do that without being beholden to race the MXdN. You, nor anyone else, gets to define his sense of patriotism or when and how he chooses to display it. 

The fans, the real fans, love his flag waving as evidenced by his huge fan base and cheers that he gets.   

 

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8/12/2024 8:59am
aees wrote:

So it's not max backing out. Please fix the topic title to not be clickbait and completly misleading. 

No, it's only backing out if it's Haiden. 

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8/12/2024 9:13am
Herr Lich wrote:
It all goes back to this (see pic).  If Anstie had recently stood up on the podium and made hyper nationalist comments designed to shit on...

It all goes back to this (see pic).  If Anstie had recently stood up on the podium and made hyper nationalist comments designed to shit on the Lawrences - then decided not to go the MXDN (for whatever reason) - he would have got shit.  However, leaving that aside - and if we believe the whole reason for Deegan and now Anstie not going is Star Racing - perhaps we should start shitting all over Star Racing instead.  I bet they're all about the USA in their attitudes and comments, just not when it comes to actually representing it.  And no, I'm not anti-American.  You can be anti-certain American individuals, institutions, and companies without being anti-the US.  I think the USA is an incredible country. Star Racing on the other hand is suspect. 

Haiden Deegan Talks About Washougal Sweep - Racer X

BRO... being a "Nationalist" or being a "Patriot" are 2 very different things...

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8/12/2024 9:25am
Magoofan wrote:

The Vital double-standard rears it's ugly head once again....  😂

Only double? LOL

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8/12/2024 9:39am

If this race is such a big deal, then why doesn't the owner of the race make it worth it to the riders to do it? In what other sport are the athletes expected to basically do a freebie at the end of the year? I'm sorry but I don't hold it against any rider who opts out for any reason.

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If this race is such a big deal, then why doesn't the owner of the race make it worth it to the riders to do it...

If this race is such a big deal, then why doesn't the owner of the race make it worth it to the riders to do it? In what other sport are the athletes expected to basically do a freebie at the end of the year? I'm sorry but I don't hold it against any rider who opts out for any reason.

Olympians get paid if they medal, just saying

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If this race is such a big deal, then why doesn't the owner of the race make it worth it to the riders to do it...

If this race is such a big deal, then why doesn't the owner of the race make it worth it to the riders to do it? In what other sport are the athletes expected to basically do a freebie at the end of the year? I'm sorry but I don't hold it against any rider who opts out for any reason.

Exactly, MX and SX get all this demand for pay to the racers and all this but the same people are chastising riders for not traveling across the world and racing for completely free while a organization makes a ton of money off of the race? All a bit under the guise of representing your country on the world stage. 

How many top MXGP guys have said they want to come to the US and prove themselves in our series? Our guys are racing this series all year, (which includes most of their biggest competitors in MXON anyways). The Americans probably don't feel like they have that much to prove, especially for free and risking an injury affecting their 9-5. 

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Olympians get paid if they medal, just saying

Yeah, but it is a paltry sum relative to the money exchanging hands. The Olympics are the biggest money grab in all of sports. It became all too obvious when they started letting professional athletes compete. I love the Des Nations but I won't get too worked up about it either one way or the other.

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HonDawg17 wrote:

BRO... being a "Nationalist" or being a "Patriot" are 2 very different things...

Ah yes....the latest political narrative buzzword...."nationalist".                 Anyone who loves Old Glory is now labeled a villain for waving their flag and being proud of their country.

You're wasting your time responding to Hair Licker....

 

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8/12/2024 9:57am

If Star is the hang up, how do you expect Max to go without any support. It sounds like it's on Star. Wasn't this the problem with Deegan last year?

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From a British point of view 

A. He’s barely rode outdoors for the last 2 seasons so I don’t think anyone was expecting him to ride it anyway 

B. He doesn’t wave a flag around claiming to be captain American ( or uk in this case ) acting like a tool 

C . Doesn’t have a camera following round that  would of made enough from vlogs and YouTube to cover the cost .

 D. Sadly our best team currently wouldnt be near the top 6. 

E. He’s represented us enough times to know his hearts in it , and even won his class 2017 I believe (maybe 18) 

 

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8/12/2024 10:24am
Elliot wrote:

He could easily source a YZ in the UK to ride but I'm guessing that his contract says he can only ride a Star bike.

I think with his style of riding, he could blow up a stock engine. 

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I think with his style of riding, he could blow up a stock engine. 

A stock engine is often more reliable than a race engine.. 

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8/12/2024 11:14am

I think with his style of riding, he could blow up a stock engine. 

Tumic wrote:

A stock engine is often more reliable than a race engine.. 

Didn’t know that, interesting.

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Didn’t know that, interesting.

A race engine have smaller margins, revs higher, creates more heat and needs parts replaced in a shorter period of time.

A stock engine is close to bullet proof and the only weak link is the clutch. So with another clutch, the stock engine will always be more reliable.

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8/12/2024 11:40am
Tumic wrote:
A race engine have smaller margins, revs higher, creates more heat and needs parts replaced in a shorter period of time.A stock engine is close to...

A race engine have smaller margins, revs higher, creates more heat and needs parts replaced in a shorter period of time.

A stock engine is close to bullet proof and the only weak link is the clutch. So with another clutch, the stock engine will always be more reliable.

Ah ok, thanks for the explanation.

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8/12/2024 11:45am

I would love to see the Budgets of the different teams competing.

Exclude the home team obviously.

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Team Canada budget for Ernee 2023.

Team Canada budget for Ernee 2023.

TC 0

What was the total head count for the team, riders, mechanics, managers, trainers, hangeroners?

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If this race is such a big deal, then why doesn't the owner of the race make it worth it to the riders to do it...

If this race is such a big deal, then why doesn't the owner of the race make it worth it to the riders to do it? In what other sport are the athletes expected to basically do a freebie at the end of the year? I'm sorry but I don't hold it against any rider who opts out for any reason.

AMetts wrote:
Exactly, MX and SX get all this demand for pay to the racers and all this but the same people are chastising riders for not traveling...

Exactly, MX and SX get all this demand for pay to the racers and all this but the same people are chastising riders for not traveling across the world and racing for completely free while a organization makes a ton of money off of the race? All a bit under the guise of representing your country on the world stage. 

How many top MXGP guys have said they want to come to the US and prove themselves in our series? Our guys are racing this series all year, (which includes most of their biggest competitors in MXON anyways). The Americans probably don't feel like they have that much to prove, especially for free and risking an injury affecting their 9-5. 

i get what you are saying, i have said it here a couple of times also, MXdN does not need the teamUSA to be the greatest race of the year in the world of motocross, teamUSA is an important team, but not relevant anymore,it would be a lot worst for the race if teamAustralia were to not go.......

like the ACU has to decide if they pay Star what they are asking to race Anstie, its up to AMA to decide if they want to send a team and how much they should pay the racers and teams, its up to AMA to decide which results they pretend, but like any other team, if you dont pay for the top racers you cant expect to win, so if they dont care to win it, why even send a team at all....

as for what american racers feel they have to prove, i dont really know, i am not a racer and i am not american, but i would say that if you dont even win at home, its kind of sketchy to talk worldwide.......

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