AMA Penalty PALA 250 Class - Let's hear it, Why 16 and NOT 38?

Facts.

I'm actually shocked they penalized anyone for this.

Dudes have been going wide open off the side of the track pretty much every race in recent memory and I can't really remember anyone besides Anderson being penalized previously.

I don't really have an opinion on if Deegs shoulda been penalized or not cause I only watched highlights, but if they are going to police this going forward they need to have a "hard & fast" way to say who gets penalized and who doesn't.

I agree with others, simplest thing is if you leave the track then you re-enter at the same spot.  Period.  You are supposed to lose time if you make a mistake, going off the track is a big mistake.  Don't wanna lose time...stay on the track.

To me the only incident in question would be Deegan in the 2nd moto while leading. He re-entered going fast enough to clear the next jump that Levi and everyone else had to hit at full speed to clear. I thought for sure a penalty was coming for that one. 

More like Monster Energy vs Red Bull, with a splash of Deegan family marketing campaign....BOTS, Paid to Post accounts, paid social media marketing campaigns, etc. All the things "Influencers" do. 

I agree 100%.

RV nailed it. 

Not sure why everyone keeps trying to justify tom’s incident, that isn’t what’s in question. The question also isn’t the first baby deegs off track where he raised his hand, the question is why wasn’t he penalized for the second incident in moto 1 and the incident in moto 2… he should have lost a position for both based on 1. the rule as stated and 2. the ruling on tom in moto 1. 

Exactly. How does one jump that jump, when off track, without accelerating? The ama is a ball-less organization.

I agree 100 % But ... Why is everyone saying Deegan should have been docked 1 position ? Really if it was equal to Tom , It should be 1 position each moto . 38 was off the track both motos on the gas . That would have shaken it up allot .. I am not a Deegan hater the kid has mad skill and is the real deal . But that said the rules need to be the same for all .  I bet the 21 is looking for some refund checks after the 38's weekend haha 

The decision to not penalize Deegan was made because one of the most popular riders was hefting the first place trophy and they didn’t want to reverse that and take it away.  Brian, or Star, whining about it only reinforced what they wanted to do anyway.  PERIOD!!!  It had absolutely nothing to do with it being less of an infraction, or any other bullshit be spewed by the AMA, or any garglers.  I wish they were just man enough to say it.  

I don't think he ever lifted. Thus no "acceleration"...

Why does the AMA insist on docking full race positions for seconds gained or lost? Dock the time spent off track from the overall race time. If that puts you behind the guy that is behind you so be it. Losing full positions for maybe a second gained is ridiculous at this level with the data we have available. 

Losing the actual time spent off track is a brilliantly simple idea. I guess part of the problem will be guys accelerating to get back on to minimize the penalty, but then maybe just add in extra penalty if they do accelerate. Would it also encourage them to re-enter so quickly they won't look for a safe gap?

So you’re saying that if a rider is off the track for 3 seconds, then they get docked 3 seconds? In other words, you lose all of the time you’re not on the track? 
 

Add: “Off the gas when you’re off the track” (zero roost) and you have a winner!

One is Red Bull the other monster 

I agree... I think this pressures them to get back on the track sooner.

I don't think there should have been any penalties.  But if they say they reviewed the data and that's how they came up with the penalty, the only way to get credibility back is to share the data.  Let everyone see what they based their decisions on.

Chase handled it correctly late in the 2nd 450 moto; he slowed down, safely reentered, and then gave it his all to chase Jett back down.  Tom and DB should've both been penalized, end of story.  

At the 3:45 mark. 

I understand the players involved though it would be a great idea to push this over but if the AMA doesn’t fix this mess it’s going to haunt them and the Deegan’s for decades.

Didn't the rule used to be re-enter where you went off ? Hasn't been that way for some time now but that should be the rule . If it's not possible to enter at the same spot like off the side of a jump the rider should have to go back and re-enter before that obstacle .

Can the AMA change the “official” results? Legitimately curious if there is anything in the rules that prevents them from an “after further review” admission that they really messed this up and do the honorable thing by applying the same penalty to Haiden that they did to Tom?

That seems a little dramatic.

The same way Reed’s black flag did?  As much as I think neither or both should be penalized, at this point I bet the only thing they would do is take points but not the win.

Did they post the penalty report yet?

Has the Reed black flag situation haunted him and the AMA for decades?

Doesn't seem like it had even been mentioned on here until Hunter pulled the same kind of move and didn't get a penalty....so maybe it is haunting them?

Hell, I dunno.

I just think it's a little dramatic to say an incident like this, that happens basically every single race with no penalty, is going to haunt the AMA and the Deegan's for DECADES.

However, ol' MXAddic also thinks he's stopping child slavery by not buying a Stark so I guess I should remember the level of brain power we're working with here.....

It is dramatic. I agree with you. 
 

In my opinion the real reason Vialle was penalized and not Deegan is this right here. 

This is a good idea, maybe to discourage the time spent off track you double it, so if your off track for three seconds it's a six second violation. Maybe that will encourage riders to try harder to stay on the track, and it's a simple easy to follow policy. This arbitrary stuff is for the birds.

I assume the team's can appeal?  Not reasonable to ding one guy, while another is on the gas to clear a 75ft jump.

This has been an ongoing issue for years now. It is time everyone put their heads together and come up with some sort of viable solution.

As has been pointed out before, there’s a reason the ‘re-enter where you left the track’ rule went away. It’s not practical or safe in some situations.
So as others have said I think the best solution is to make it so the rider has to come to a complete stop at some stage while off the track before safely re-entering. 

So you are against the decision, but will listen to the ama's evidence without consideration to others evidence... doesn't add up man... the eye test as eluded too in this thread that vialle lost time is probably the best evidence available to the public right now. If the ama posts their evidence I could change my mind but I'm seeing what others are seeing... oh and ps I am of the few that like deegs and think he's good for the sport. I'm not fully on board with his comments and I think he's got a bit of an entitlement complex but his give a f*** attitude I do happen to like. I think it is a nesessity in sports phsycology. The f*** everything, give it your all, attitude has made greats in all sports. Mentality is everything. P.s. I think vialle has it too.