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Motoland in casa grande (40-45 miles southeast of Phoenix area and acp on the western side of Phoenix. I think they call the area buckeye (I'm not local so 100% sure on the exact name). I lived in casa grande when there and motoland had a main track and vet track. The main track was too rough for my old ass most days and those groups training would run your ass over if you wasn't careful. The vet track was kinda tame I thought. I did like the vet track at acp better than motoland vet track.
Canyon mx I think was my favorite. Smelled just like cow shit but it was a fun track to me. Hated seeing it go away for the locals.
East Tennessee near the Knoxville, TN area could use a nice track. Not much around for MX. We have a nice little practice track about 45 minutes away, but that's about it unless you want to drive.
Is Muddy Creek closed now?
They are still going. Over 2 hours away though. Would be nice to have a nice track closer to Knoxville.
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How far is thunder valley (Livingston, tn)? I assume it's still there. Haven't been in about 4-5 years
Thunder Valley is about 2 hours from Knoxville. I do not believe they are running any longer.
Agree we are hurting in WA State. I spent a few years in Illinois and would say they are absolutely spoiled with the quality of tracks within a few hours. Sure the winter is long..but to have places like Millville, Red Bud, Motoland, Mt Carrol, Sunset Ridge, even Byron so close is incredible.
Ya man, Rocky was so sick, huge jumps, great dirt, proper watering system, huge flat parking lot, and even a little AX track at times…I live an hour+ away and I used to go every week, now we don’t have a single public track in CT, have to go to NY or MA. We need a new one bad.
You and us both pal.
Dougs in Plattsburgh NY? Fun sand track
What specific region of Washington state would you say is ideal for a new track?
Far away enough from other tracks but still in an ideal area for riders in the region ?
New owners at Motoland have made tons of improvements to the tracks. Its every bit on par with and in some ways better than ACP. I prefer the vet track at Motoland over the vet track at ACP. Same for the national track, although I do like both nationals.
Also wanted to mention there is another track in Maricopa, Maricopa Motorsports Park. They aren't open year round. Just need to follow them on social media for when they are open. They guys that own/run it do the best they can and I appreciate that. Its not the best dirt in AZ, but the jumps are fun.
The track in Eloy was Ocotillo and was my favorite track prior to closing. It had tons of potential. Rumors that I hear about Arizona are that none of the counties except Yavapi county will give a permit for new tracks. Maricopa, Pima, Pinal (All around Phoenix and Tucson) aren't allowing for any permits for racing facilities. Again, just a rumor.
That's good to hear about motoland. When did it change owners? I left July of 22. I had asked this question once before and someone answered it but farther down I8 a few miles past motoland there appeared to be remnants of an sx type track. It looked more " jumpy" and was clearly visible from the interstate where motoland is farther off the hwy.
What was that story again? Some people I worked with at Banner talked about the old ocotillo track. They lived out in Coolidge I believe and talked about it with the same feelings as you do. They were quite fond of ocotillo.
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You are talking about Highland Park. The tracks are no good there. But great place to ride trails.
But you’re right, both GA and AL have lost some great tracks. Grew up racing them all. Practically lived at Bremen MX and Mill Creek.
Calhoun, Aonia Pass, Echeconee are all still open.
I don’t even ride tracks in GA very often anymore. I’m 45 minutes from Big Springs but I’m not a big fan of the track. I typically drive the 2+ hours to Monster Mountain, War Eagle, McClarty or Sand Mountain. Cross Bone is still running.
As far as GA goes, I’ll ride echeconee or ten mile. Both well over 2hrs from me. Aonia Pass still opens up sometimes but mainly for racing from what I have seen. Lazy River, again mostly open for racing.
okefenokee mx, southern training facility are in south GA along with a few others that do practice days.
Yeah my boys raced bremen and Calhoun 04,05, 06'ish when the Kelly's had bremen and I think they were leasing Calhoun. They alternated weekends back then like 20 out of 24 weekends a year. Both boys racing 3 classes and had a shit job working 80. Hours a week to just keep going. We still race Calhoun a couple nights a year. And we were there for Bremen's last race. Seems like that was 2014'ish. But man the memories we made.
I lost my youngest a few years ago so trust me when I say every single 80 hour week I worked, all the gas I burned, all those hours of sleep lost keeping those bikes running are more than worth it now. All these old memories give my heart a peace I don't think I would have otherwise. I cherish those days. I love these memory lane threads..
Millcreek was my personal favorite track. I hated to see it go away. The best thing about it all is I get to do it all over again with the grandson. Albeit with a much better set of circumstances. Better job, newer bikes, etc
Ocotillo was a fun well laid out track. All manmade but they did create a bit of elevation. Did many a lap there 95 to 2000.
Speedworld was probably my favorite track with Canyon a close 2nd. Cottonwood was also really good daytime, nightime not so much lighting was a bit weak.
I was there a few weeks ago . I87 up such a beautiful area. Burlington,Vt. Was stp 2 , I wish I would hv taken the ferry across the lake. Instead of going n. & taking the last exit in the USA & doing a big loop & crossing 2 big lakes more Great scenery. Our local track has a great layout with hills & valleys. Everyone says it sucks because it’s mostly slick hard pack with clay powder on top& never worked
. I like it but it is like riding on ice, great practice on perfect form or big crashes. April pic 40 & raining. Only 200 for the yr , can ride 6 days a week
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Since there are folks from all over the country replying to this thread i would like to get a consensus on a track. Track is 5000 ft up in the Aquarius mts NW Az.
2 hours from Phx, Vegas, Lake Havasu, and Flagstaff yet too far. Whom of you would drive to ride this track if it was two hours away from you.
Looks like a fun track to me. Are you the guy that owns the track in Kingman? I have seen someone talking about it a lot. Even in an area like I live on the ga/al line and track are abundant a 2 hour ride to mix it up isn't a long haul. On a haul that far I like to drive up on a Friday night early sat. Ride Saturday sleep in trailer at the track and ride again on Sunday to make it worth our time. But not everyone is willing to do that. Lots of people bitch about no tracks then won't drive 2 hours to ride.
I don't understand it but those long drives is where I really got to spend the time with my boys. And my grandson if I can keep him off the fucking phone long enough. Luckily, there are patches without internet still available these days so I still get one on one talk
I performed both my sons birds and bees talk on long stretches of highway going to ride/race. They trapped and have to listen. Of course they know it all but you still have to have "the talk".
My grandson and I would ride your track for sure!!
motoland(casa grande) and ACP(buckeye) there's technically also the mesquite track near vegas but those are the two available in the phx metro area.
Huge state.
2 completely different areas either side of the cascades.Pick yr poison.
To be honest we have a good amount...it's our weather conditions.
None are run well.
Lots of private tracks
So basically to sum it all up, everywhere needs more tracks except CA, TX, and IL.
Everywhere needs new tracks, if only for the bullpen when other track owners cut out.
For example, Bud and Glen Helen are landmarks, but he's got to be over 80 and I have no idea what sort of succession plan there is for what I understand is a lease with the county. A lot of these are sole proprietorships where there isn't some next generation or buyers to come in and sustain the operation
This ive wondered how it works. Maybe the Sole Proprietors need to establish some contracts with somebody else they trust to take over. with verbiage that restricts them from ever selling it lol.
Is there anyway we can lobby as a collective of riders to get the big companies to provide tracks?? a Public Honda track, or Kawasaki or any other brand? for this sport specifically seems like it would be a good idea.
Switching to another sport, Hockey, the Las Vegas Golden Knights have approximately 4 sheets of ice (2 seperate buildings with 2 ice sheets each). that they're in charge of that the public can use for public skates, kids learning, adult stick times and leagues etc. so it could definitely be done for moto.
It's very common in any small business where the next generation doesn't want to keep it going or there are estate taxes that require the business to be liquidated in order to make the payments after the death of the owner (and get the secret of anyone running a track that has socked away enough profit to have an estate that triggers taxes).
The real challenge for anyone who starts a passion business is getting the value out when you want to retire and don't want to just shut down and write it all off.
For some reason the OEMs have never really stepped up on the land use/land access side.
Note on contracts; they are the substitute for trust. Everything you would want to be able to trust someone to do should be spelled out as an enforceable duty. It's less about trust in the way that we tend to think about it and more about clarifying expectations and eliminating ambiguity about issues you "trust" someone will perform in the future.
Motoland changed owners about Aug-21. So you were riding under the new owners. They have continually stepped it up and refined their track prep and layouts as they have continued to learn. They change the tracks regularly and keep it fresh. Both the owner and his son are good riders so they know what they are doing when it comes to making a track.
The other track off I-8 was Moto Grande. Both Moto Grande and Ocotillo basically died off the same way. Owners got tired of running the track or just weren't into it or the numbers weren't where they wanted it to be. So they both just kind of faded off, had a few spurts or restarts that were "hey I kinda feel like opening up tomorrow" announced on social media or word of mouth and did a day or two here or there but never really got fully back up and running again. And now they've both sat for years and years. As I've heard, the land at Moto Grande was sold and the current owner is not an MX guy.. just has it as a land investment. The original track owner still owns the land at Ocotillo but does not seem to have any intent to reopen the track and I think I saw where he said he's currently leasing the land to a solar company.
"None are run well" is an understatement. Tracks in the PNW are ran just about the worst in the country. Very sad because the group of riders up in the PNW are very strong and loyal. The tracks up there used to be epic and ran well!
I remember taking Bell Rd all the way across or carefree highway to Canyon from fountain hills in the late 80s in my friends POS pickup before the 101 was built … that was an easy 2-2.5 hours hitting traffic lights the whole way and a 50/50 it would break down usually on the way back at night 😂
I am aware. Haven’t been for a few years but love that place!
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