Honda CR ELECTRIC PROTO in All Japan Motocross Championship 2023 Round 8, Saitama

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It's a real question, but you'll rarely get the real answer because those that bought into the solar boom want to believe it pays off.  The...

It's a real question, but you'll rarely get the real answer because those that bought into the solar boom want to believe it pays off.  The reality is if you have enough solar and battery to power a home AC unit in any warm climate it would be incredibly expensive.  Lights are one things, Fridges, AC etc is another. I live in Utah where this is "pushed" and sold and the numbers just dont work.  It would take 30+ years or more to pay for itself if you want enough to hand the kwh of a home.  

I have 3 AC units, 2 pool pumps and 5 small and large refrigerators, and tons of other stuff that all run off my system.  

Some days when charging the cars and running A/C all day I do get into a deficit with my utility, but I sell so much back to them that I never get a bill and haven't since I installed the system.

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cbarber wrote:

Hey Brent, serious question- How long will it take to pay for itself?

Brent wrote:
My home utility bills used to be over 1200 a month in summer because I have a lot of shit to power at my house.  Average...

My home utility bills used to be over 1200 a month in summer because I have a lot of shit to power at my house.  Average my bill out and it was about 855 per month for the year.

Temecula gets fucking hot in summer so we have AC running 24/7 in July thru September.

Solar with 3 PowerWalls from Tesla was 47 K OTD installed. I got a 19K tax credit for the system so my net cost was 28K out of pocket.   

I charge 2 cars plus power my house for free now with a 28K net investment, so I figure Im saving an average of 1100.00 per month  between energy bills and gas that I'm not putting in the cars. 

AND it makes my home appraise for more.

And THAT is what you'd call a no brainer decision.

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It's a real question, but you'll rarely get the real answer because those that bought into the solar boom want to believe it pays off.  The...

It's a real question, but you'll rarely get the real answer because those that bought into the solar boom want to believe it pays off.  The reality is if you have enough solar and battery to power a home AC unit in any warm climate it would be incredibly expensive.  Lights are one things, Fridges, AC etc is another. I live in Utah where this is "pushed" and sold and the numbers just dont work.  It would take 30+ years or more to pay for itself if you want enough to hand the kwh of a home.  

Brent wrote:
I have 3 AC units, 2 pool pumps and 5 small and large refrigerators, and tons of other stuff that all run off my system.  ...

I have 3 AC units, 2 pool pumps and 5 small and large refrigerators, and tons of other stuff that all run off my system.  

Some days when charging the cars and running A/C all day I do get into a deficit with my utility, but I sell so much back to them that I never get a bill and haven't since I installed the system.

It sure seems to point out that we are paying a premium for energy when a a retail purchase of solar by a consumer pays for itself in a relatively short time. And PG&E is trying to claw back solar energy value from consumers whenever they can.

If we never left nuclear in CA and actually ramped up it would be a much different world. Could have been electricity energy independent in CA for cheap. 

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10/13/2023 3:53pm Edited Date/Time 10/13/2023 3:56pm
KurtJ99 wrote:
It sure seems to point out that we are paying a premium for energy when a a retail purchase of solar by a consumer pays for...

It sure seems to point out that we are paying a premium for energy when a a retail purchase of solar by a consumer pays for itself in a relatively short time. And PG&E is trying to claw back solar energy value from consumers whenever they can.

If we never left nuclear in CA and actually ramped up it would be a much different world. Could have been electricity energy independent in CA for cheap. 

...It's a damn shame that we can't get nuclear power in California - I know they dumped it partially because of the reactor core problems (thanks TOSHIBA!) they had at San Onofre - but look at France, they have a ton of nuclear reactors with no issues?

What scared me to finally get solar power is the proposal last year from So Cal Edison to charge a sliding utility rate based on customer's income! - Fuck those assholes...

 

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KurtJ99 wrote:
It sure seems to point out that we are paying a premium for energy when a a retail purchase of solar by a consumer pays for...

It sure seems to point out that we are paying a premium for energy when a a retail purchase of solar by a consumer pays for itself in a relatively short time. And PG&E is trying to claw back solar energy value from consumers whenever they can.

If we never left nuclear in CA and actually ramped up it would be a much different world. Could have been electricity energy independent in CA for cheap. 

Brent wrote:
...It's a damn shame that we can't get nuclear power in California - I know they dumped it partially because of the reactor core problems (thanks...

...It's a damn shame that we can't get nuclear power in California - I know they dumped it partially because of the reactor core problems (thanks TOSHIBA!) they had at San Onofre - but look at France, they have a ton of nuclear reactors with no issues?

What scared me to finally get solar power is the proposal last year from So Cal Edison to charge a sliding utility rate based on customer's income! - Fuck those assholes...

 

Same here in Germany. We shut down our last three nuclear plants this year, not because of safety, but because of ideological reasons. Now they have to fire up old coal plants because of the war and the bombing of the Nordstream pipeline.

That‘s what happens when a bunch of lawyers and economists run the country. 

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10/14/2023 3:16am

I’m looking forward to seeing the Honda in action. Also cool to see Trey race again. 

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10/25/2023 12:26pm Edited Date/Time 10/25/2023 12:28pm

Alright Honda, this weekend it's time to shine, show us what you got!

After so many years lurking in the shadows we will finally see what this electric prototype of yours is made of.

Can it beat he ICE competition with such a great rider onboard? Can it hold a candle to the Varg? We shall see. Exciting times indeed.

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Can't wait. I'm litterally jumping up and down on my couch.

 

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10/25/2023 12:40pm

Just wanna see if its Stark level yet.. before getting Stark if Honda is not ready. 

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Kidding, I'm just here for the guy who instantaneously downvotes every post in the electric threads. I admire your dedication to your task you poor soul.

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Under 2 min, that's world level commitment right here folks Laughing 

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10/25/2023 3:32pm

 They have loaded placeholders for the live feed, parts 1 and 2.  

Here is the race day schedule.  Race is Sunday in Japan, 16 hrs ahead of USA Pacific Time.  Livefeed should start 5:30 PM Saturday, USA PT.

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Livefeed Part 1:

 

 

Livefeed Part 2:

 

 

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10/25/2023 4:21pm
There is no way the big manufacturers were going to allow Stark to take market share. They all are worried somewhat.    Just think eMX is...

There is no way the big manufacturers were going to allow Stark to take market share. They all are worried somewhat. 
 

Just think eMX is the future. Almost baffled on the new Triumph and Beta entering the market and not waiting for ePower releases. But I’m on Vital so don’t much of that at all. 🙃

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Don't agree with that statement, they walked away from 2 strokes and KTM sells a TON of them! I can never understand being Suzuki can't sell...

Don't agree with that statement, they walked away from 2 strokes and KTM sells a TON of them!

I can never understand being Suzuki can't sell 4 strokes why they just don't come out with a brand new 2005 RM250. Probably sell a bunch more than they do thumpers, what the heck they wouldn't have to change much of anything and I would buy one!

No doubt all the tooling is long gone.

New, old design tooling would be just as expensive as a modern bike.

Their easiest route would be to develope a new motor that bolts into a 2024 RMZ250 rolling chassis.

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10/25/2023 5:19pm
tek14 wrote:

Just wanna see if its Stark level yet.. before getting Stark if Honda is not ready. 

Stark won't be competing in Japan, so it will be difficult to compare.

Motocross is 90% rider, 10% bike, if the Honda is down on power, Trey Canard should still be able to perform like Johnny O'Mara did in 1986...

 

 

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15 Min + 1 Week is some long ass motos !!  Laughing

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15 Min + 1 Week is some long ass motos !!  

15 Min + 1 Week is some long ass motos !!  Laughing

and no refueling, recharging allowed!

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FGR01 wrote:
15 Min + 1 Week is some long ass motos !!  

15 Min + 1 Week is some long ass motos !!  Laughing

and no refueling, recharging allowed!

Laughing Honda must really be onto something 

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10/26/2023 12:53am
FGR01 wrote:
15 Min + 1 Week is some long ass motos !!  

15 Min + 1 Week is some long ass motos !!  Laughing

and no refueling, recharging allowed!

Beagle wrote:
Honda must really be onto something 

Laughing Honda must really be onto something 

Zero point module?

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10/27/2023 7:37pm Edited Date/Time 10/27/2023 7:38pm

Saturday qualifying is underway.

From Dirt Sports Japan.

May be an image of 4 people, dirt bike, motorcycle and text

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^^white with red trim makes a nice looking bike

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Trey said "helping with production testing"....

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ksithumper wrote:

Trey said "helping with production testing"....

That was more with all Honda bikes not just E-bike i guess. New 450f coming also. 

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Sounds like he's having fun on the bike Cool

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IMG 1434

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10/28/2023 2:29am

Not too bad for a start, I guess getting used to the bike and to the track he can put it on the rostrum.

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10/28/2023 2:38am

AMA - we need tire manufacturers on the board too

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That bike looks pretty sweet!

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