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The chosen US team has my full support. I'm not questioning or debating '23, but moving forward...
Shouldn't guys like (example): Ken Roczen be considered for Team USA? He became a US citizen by choice, not some random act of the cosmos, being born here. To me, that carries more weight. National pride? He chose this Country. How many of us chose our citizenship?
DeCoster has done an admirable job representing the USA for many years, has he not?
If you need to consider foreign riders with citizenship, then I’d question the national pride of your home born riders.
National pride is such a weird concept... Nobody can choose his birthplace, so why bother ? I'm French, but i didn't do anything to be, i was just born there.
Maybe true. It does seem that we do not have an abundance of top US riders stepping forward, saying, "pick me, I want to go".
They might be considered, but I guess they still feel from their home country, and therefore, they choose to race for their home country
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Kenny isn't a US citizen.
Germany doesn't let him, or he'd have to forfeit his German citizenship. But Germany is planning to make a change to that rule in January, so maybe soon he will be a dual citizen
Trampas Parker raced for Italy in 1989 - he topped the 500 class with Italy in 2nd overall behind the USA. Billy Liles may have done so, too - perhaps another country though (Luxemburg? - though, it may have just been he raced under another countries license in the GPs at times), besides when he was on the 92 winning USA team ?
I'm pretty sure quite a few riders have raced for countries other than their place of birth. I think most often say, Belgians, during their years of dominance in World Motocross . Having so many high end riders, they'd have limited chances of riding for Belgium, and ride for somewhere like Luxemburg. That became a factor too for riders wanting to do a World Championship series - there would be a limit on competitors per country in each class, at times.
I think it came down to your international license - the country your racing license was under.
Then, it was changed (once again, I think,) for the MXdN at least, to your country of origin, or passport(?) being required . See Deano racing for Britain, for an example.
But, I have to say, when a Country / Their Supporters, claim ( and, they are , to a point, right with regards to the US Motocross scene) that they are / have the best of the best, well, they should be able to Always form a National Team from their own birth / early in their years emigrant riders.
Mind you, in so many Sports, it seems that nearly every Country has on their Nations Teams (eg the Olympics / World Championships) non 'native' born representatives. We here in OZ have done rather rapid 'Citizenship' alterations for sportspeople at times........ As have many Countries. Watching the recent World Athletics Championships, I saw many new citizens, in many Countries teams. It's how it is, Citizenry is a fluid thing.
Silly. I dont think has anything to due with Natiinal Pride. Say you've been building houses all year and you need a vacation. Your boss gives you the option to build one more house during that vacation but it's really far away and you need to find a way to pay for your own travel. After the build is done you wont get paid but the house will look good and is going to make someone a bunch of money. You take alot of pride in your work so you suck it up and do it for free because it's going to make some people you dont know happy? It's a job and they want a break, I wouldnt look into deeper than that....
Maybe... Because this same time of year, for the past 75 years or so, the same thing has happened, so before next year, you tell your boss that you'd like this extra house put in as bonus...
How sensible would that be?
When it comes to representing your nation in a sport, once you compete as a pro or adult for a nation then you should not be able to switch teams (as long as that country still exists). In Roczen's case he has already represented Germany in MXoN, so its wouldnt be right in my opinion for him to ride for another nation.
I thought I remembered KR posting on instagram, about getting his citizenship. My mistake, I must have confused it with somebody else. Maybe Marv? Doesn't matter... anyway, it was someone that was quite proud of becoming a US citizen. My point stands.
If you’ve got dual citizenship then I think you should get to race for whichever country you want. I think that is how it currently is, too. I’m sure if Kenny was a citizen and he wanted to race for the US, the team would love to have him.
You sure about that? My wife lived in Germany as a child and has several friends with dual citizenship.
https://www.germany.info/us-en/service/03-Citizenship/-/2124886
Is somebody who lives here and created a family here really a foreigner? The US is a nation of immigrants. Hell, half my neighborhood wasn’t born here but they’re all American.
Most teams are much more concerned with the costs of sending their riders to go than with national pride or patriotism. Most riders that are at a high-enough level to be asked to go either give the “long season” excuse, or just simply aren’t motivated to go. Sad state of affairs, when not too many years ago, riders were excited about being chosen to ride for the USA, and wanted to prove themselves on an international stage.
I am fully behind our team and they have my full support. I’m feeling 1981 MXDN, “B Team” vibes!”
Roczen shouldn’t be able to rep the USA. He’s German. I love the guy and wish he could…but that wouldn’t be right, imo.
The Man has my full support too. What he has accomplished as a racer AND manager is quite admirable. Respect!
I have never needed to know who's on our team to "support" them.
It's kind of an automatic thing...ain't it?
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How do you not understand national pride? It's team pride, on a... national scale. These are my people, this is the way we do things, and i sew into my country and am pleased to be a part of it - for better or worse. I look at the accomplishments and culture of my country and am glad to be one of the "threads in the flag."
I have no idea how a self-loathing country can produce anything of value when it sees itself and the culture it contains as not having value to begin with. You're watching the preview for this move in real time in the world today.
But that's not the situation we have... Many riders wanted to go, but their team situation left them "out". Let's put the blame where it belongs. #1 on my list is Kawasaki USA. Anderson is perfect example, he is all in for MXoN.
If my memory is correct,there were 8 riders per country allowed?Indeed,a lot of riders from belgium,… rode under luxemburgish licence in the GP‘s.Jacky Martens was one of them.It could be that Greg Albertyn rode for Luxembourg at the beginning of his career too,he had a huge fan base in Luxembourg.
Yeah the way you describe works easily. But the other way round is tough.
There are all kinds of people that come from other countries like Turkey and can get Germany as a second citizenship. But if you're born German and want to apply for a second citizenship elsewhere it's almost impossible (especially outside of Europe) with very few exceptions. Same issue for Dirk Nowitzki. He'll probably become US citizen next year if they pass the new law
As a Canadian. Ive always cheered for the US team. Im embarrassed to say I rarely pay attention to my own team.I admire American patriotism and admit I have very little canadian patriotism in any way .shape . Or form.
Pretty sure anderson knew that about kawy before he signed the contract.
AP, RJ, Osborne all raised their hands and have been vocal about wanting to go and it's important.
I live in the Dallas area and am a huge Dirk fan which is the only reason why I know anything about his situation specifically. He got his green card after retiring from the NBA in 2019 stating that he already considers himself a Texan and his kids have citizenship in the US, Germany and Sweden so it’s time for him to make it official here. He has to have a green card for 5 years before he can apply for citizenship. He just recently told the local newspaper that next year he should get his citizenship after that 5 year mark. It’s not the German government he’s waiting on.
Hmmm. That's a shame Bud. I never met a Canook I didn't like. They don't brag, they don't get the red ass very often. And if you need 'em...they don't shirk.
I'll take a rock solid dude/dudette every day of the week. Their love of bacon and beer is a huge plus.
No B Team vibe at all. Too bad you choose to interpret it that way.
We struggled to put together a team in a timely manner, did we not? We obviously have people willing to go, but that desire doesn't necessarily match their funding, schedule, personal life events, or their employers wishes, does it?
My hypothetical is simply to expand our potential pool of people that can and would be willing.
How many times was Marv excluded from Team France? I would have welcomed him to ride for the US, his new home. I don't see what the big deal is.
Just throwing it out there that Jeff Ward was born in Scotland and he raced for the USA in the des nations.
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