Team USA will not be announced today

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9/9/2023 3:21am
Brent wrote:
I get it why some guys are reluctant to go. Riders don't get paid one euro or dollar to race in MXON; This race for no...

I get it why some guys are reluctant to go.

Riders don't get paid one euro or dollar to race in MXON;

This race for no money is a risk of injury;

Riders have to take two weeks out of their off extremely short off season to go to a country that can be difficult to get quality food and good accommodations;

Riders have to pay out of their own pocket for travel and lodging expenses sometimes - business class to CDG or AMS  and back ain't cheap, roughly 8 to 10 grand, and hotels in the summer in that part of France are rare and expensive.

And, history says there is a good chance it will rain.

 

That's not strictly true, there's a (small) minimum 23000 Euro purse that pays down to 14th place and I seriously doubt that a single US rider has ever been required to pay their own air tickets and hotel.

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9/9/2023 4:07am
Dan541 wrote:
Paging Zach Osborne. I know he doesn't ride moto atm, but if he's healthy enough to ride, he'd give his 100%. Different Yamaha team, maybe a...

Paging Zach Osborne.

I know he doesn't ride moto atm, but if he's healthy enough to ride, he'd give his 100%. Different Yamaha team, maybe a chance ?

Boomslang wrote:
Without doubt he is a great rider but being outta the gate drops for so long and without mx testing he will be severely handicapped. You...

Without doubt he is a great rider but being outta the gate drops for so long and without mx testing he will be severely handicapped. You cant come from the bush and expect to top 5 in today's times.

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I'm not saying he'd be a top 5 guy, he'd be someone wanting to be there and give it his best effort, that's all you can...

I'm not saying he'd be a top 5 guy, he'd be someone wanting to be there and give it his best effort, that's all you can ask for. I know he'd be very under prepared, but at this point it's basically grab anyone who wants to go, regardless of prep.

Exactly.  Just send a damn team even if it means ending up in the B final .

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9/9/2023 4:10am
Muzzle wrote:

This is ridiculous. Makes me not want to buy a Kawasaki or Yamaha again. If they won't support US riders why should I support them?

To be fair to Yamaha they're just covering for their most valuable asset 

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9/9/2023 4:52am

Couple things. 1 USA would be sending a team if they thought they could win. 2 Star would support the race if Deegan, Cooper or Eli wanted to go. 3 People saying it cost too much-do you really need all the people there that you are paying for? Of course it cost Eli $10k if he’s paying for 10 people to tag along. Agree in front should suck up one race to not make money off of, thus should be a non-profit event ALL teams get expenses paid, but USA could do it cheaper. 4 people complaining about racing for nothing have no qualms about Feld and MXSports requiring the back markers to pay to race and travel all over the US for nothing 

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9/9/2023 5:29am

During LL Weege interviewed a guy in charge of Des Nations fund raising for USA so do not use the excuse of "too much money" because the resources are there. This situation is the epitome of the state of our country right now, no pride, weak leadership, and entitlement mentality. I don care who goes, it could be 3 guys from C practice, but send a team. 

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9/9/2023 5:44am Edited Date/Time 9/9/2023 5:45am

If the reigning champs don't participate, I don't even know what to say. It will be satisfying when Jett dominates them all next year. And by that I mean the top guys that don't want to go.

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9/9/2023 5:49am Edited Date/Time 9/9/2023 5:57am
valveless wrote:
This has to be the only sport in the world that the top athletes are hesitant to represent their country on the biggest stage. Sad to...

This has to be the only sport in the world that the top athletes are hesitant to represent their country on the biggest stage. Sad to say the least. 

Brent wrote:
I get it why some guys are reluctant to go. Riders don't get paid one euro or dollar to race in MXON; This race for no...

I get it why some guys are reluctant to go.

Riders don't get paid one euro or dollar to race in MXON;

This race for no money is a risk of injury;

Riders have to take two weeks out of their off extremely short off season to go to a country that can be difficult to get quality food and good accommodations;

Riders have to pay out of their own pocket for travel and lodging expenses sometimes - business class to CDG or AMS  and back ain't cheap, roughly 8 to 10 grand, and hotels in the summer in that part of France are rare and expensive.

And, history says there is a good chance it will rain.

 

chrisgg90 wrote:
Can be difficult to get quality food and accommodation ? You do know France isn’t a 3rd world country don’t you ? They are known world...

Can be difficult to get quality food and accommodation ? You do know France isn’t a 3rd world country don’t you ? They are known world wide for having the best quality food, chefs and restaurants in the world. They also have good accommodation. Showing your ignorance a bit in this post.  

Don't be so harsh on him, most Americans haven't been to Europe, let alone France.

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9/9/2023 5:55am

Don't be so harsh on him, most Americans haven't been to Europe, let alone France.

Yet most americans have their roots in europe 

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9/9/2023 5:57am

Don't be so harsh on him, most Americans haven't been to Europe, let alone France.

Tumic wrote:

Yet most americans have their roots in europe 

And all humans have roots in Africa!

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9/9/2023 6:01am

Isn't it logical for pro teams not to want an opposing teams manager involved with their riders, bikes, and mechanics? It has taken Star, and Kawasaki years and millions upon millions to build these teams only to have a competitor have them and interact with them for a week? Almost sounds like blatant industrial espionage. Do you think the Cowboys would bring a 49ers coach in for a week to help out? The owner of Star had car dealerships, does he invite competitors sales managers in for a week to check things out? Roger has been a liability to the team for years, both KTMs and the desNations. Reference any of Austria's 250 teams stateside, the mishandling of Caorili and Dungey's comebacks. I am 58 and not as sharp as I used to be, he is 80 years old. It would be like Gerritt Wolsink or Kees van der Ven managing a team, the sport and it's athletes have moved on. How many of us 50+ years old can relate to 20 somethings we work with?

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9/9/2023 6:02am

Don't be so harsh on him, most Americans haven't been to Europe, let alone France.

Tumic wrote:

Yet most americans have their roots in europe 

And all humans have roots in Africa!

Haven’t been overseas, so all my roots have been in Australia……never mind I’ll see myself out 

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9/9/2023 6:06am
Tumic wrote:

Yet most americans have their roots in europe 

And all humans have roots in Africa!

CPR wrote:

Haven’t been overseas, so all my roots have been in Australia……never mind I’ll see myself out 

You need to get out more, experience the world!

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9/9/2023 6:08am

So is the USA sending a fucking team or not? bunch of wussies man. American pride my ass. Here's your captain america .eba9b840-4736-4bdd-8470-32c5a0c1081b

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9/9/2023 6:16am
truck wrote:
I really hope this year is a fluke. Injuries, weddings, new series, bike changes, etc and it all just snowballed. The most pathetic thing to me...

I really hope this year is a fluke. Injuries, weddings, new series, bike changes, etc and it all just snowballed.

The most pathetic thing to me is factory teams just saying no. That should not be. That needs to be fixed. At a minimum I would like team managers to be asked pointed questions about it with a camera and microphone in their face. I'd also like to see the riders on those teams say unequivocally that they aren't going because their team said no. Let's just shine some light on this and see how long these teams keep it up. 

Yeah, some decent questioning of the teams would be good, but with moto 'journalism' such as it is, that is not going to happen.  

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9/9/2023 6:18am

Pretty sad state of affairs for USA MX.

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9/9/2023 6:23am Edited Date/Time 9/9/2023 7:41am
Dirt_Dawg wrote:
So is the USA sending a fucking team or not? bunch of wussies man. American pride my ass. Here's your captain america .

So is the USA sending a fucking team or not? bunch of wussies man. American pride my ass. Here's your captain america .eba9b840-4736-4bdd-8470-32c5a0c1081b

Yep, bangs in about USA blah blah, but is to scared to come over and represent. 

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9/9/2023 6:38am
truck wrote:
I really hope this year is a fluke. Injuries, weddings, new series, bike changes, etc and it all just snowballed. The most pathetic thing to me...

I really hope this year is a fluke. Injuries, weddings, new series, bike changes, etc and it all just snowballed.

The most pathetic thing to me is factory teams just saying no. That should not be. That needs to be fixed. At a minimum I would like team managers to be asked pointed questions about it with a camera and microphone in their face. I'd also like to see the riders on those teams say unequivocally that they aren't going because their team said no. Let's just shine some light on this and see how long these teams keep it up. 

Herr Lich wrote:

Yeah, some decent questioning of the teams would be good, but with moto 'journalism' such as it is, that is not going to happen.  

Double edged sword for both riders and media personnel. If they speak up, they get the cold shoulder. It comes off extremely unprofessional and childish. 

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9/9/2023 6:46am

Cheer for the Canadian team!

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9/9/2023 6:47am
yak651 wrote:

Deegan go on record why he won’t go?

Yeah I'd like to hear why he passed. Not to beat a dead horse but pretty weak after the way he propped himself up as the American hero this summer 

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9/9/2023 6:54am

Whats even more fucked up to me is how fans seem fine with the state of affairs. Not Vital but we're on an island over here. I see all over social media how the race doesn't matter and these guys gotta get ready for sx. What?! What happened to national pride? We're all in though when the race is in the US and we have a team that can win. Then it's shit talking and chest thumping all over Instagram and FB

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9/9/2023 7:00am
yak651 wrote:

Deegan go on record why he won’t go?

Yeah I'd like to hear why he passed. Not to beat a dead horse but pretty weak after the way he propped himself up as the...

Yeah I'd like to hear why he passed. Not to beat a dead horse but pretty weak after the way he propped himself up as the American hero this summer 

Almost like it was just a dog whistle the whole time…. Who would’ve thought 

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9/9/2023 7:12am

They should ask this kid, he's very Pro-American, as you can read in his helmet, I'm sure he would give 110% in the event for his country, his Blood is Red, White and Blue.

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His team is also very Pro-American, and they also value this event, as you can see in the following photo, look at the trailer door.

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9/9/2023 7:17am

Pretty fuckin lame if Star won't let anyone go if Deegan said no.

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Like I said previously this is history repeating itself, in the late 70's to 1980 the US teams didn't support the MXDN and TDN and wouldn't send riders. In 1981 Honda sent their whole team to compete and the rest is history until now....The US teams think the world revolves around them in this sport and with Kawi starting the trend of refusing to let their riders go and when they did go to Red Bud in 18 their main purpose was to test the 2019 bike, they separated themselves from the team to the point they used their own headset and had zero communication with Team USA. Now it appears that Star has decided to take the same position as Kawi and with the majority of the best riders on those two teams it will make it difficult at best as we will only have the KTM group to chose from. Where do we go from here? I have no idea but it is a very sad and frustrating place to be in US MX. It's not a money thing, money is not the issue it's a culture and emphasis on SX issue that the US teams have adopted over the last number of years and if it wasn't for races being held at Red Bud we would have seen this sooner. 

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9/9/2023 7:19am

It seems the guys running the teams have way too much influence in this decision. This should be a riders decision and should be asked from an unbiased group that picks the team. Set aside $1-$2 on every ticket sale to help fund it. Don’t allow any team manager or any higher up from any team to be involved in the decision to avoid conflict of interest. We have plenty of knowledgeable people in this sport that can come together to form a USA MXDN committee of sorts that aren’t team personnel. 
 

MAKE MXDN GREAT AGAIN GOSH DANG IT!!!!

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9/9/2023 7:20am
davis224 wrote:

Pretty fuckin lame if Star won't let anyone go if Deegan said no.

That's not true...

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9/9/2023 7:23am

It did feel as though there was real unity last year and a new leaf had been been turned, but it appears it was just more convenient to work together due to the location. 

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9/9/2023 7:26am

At this point, Sexton would still be far and away the best pick if he threw a leg over a KTM for the first time at practice that morning, or Kitchen on a PC bike.

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9/9/2023 7:27am
DonM wrote:
Like I said previously this is history repeating itself, in the late 70's to 1980 the US teams didn't support the MXDN and TDN and wouldn't...

Like I said previously this is history repeating itself, in the late 70's to 1980 the US teams didn't support the MXDN and TDN and wouldn't send riders. In 1981 Honda sent their whole team to compete and the rest is history until now....The US teams think the world revolves around them in this sport and with Kawi starting the trend of refusing to let their riders go and when they did go to Red Bud in 18 their main purpose was to test the 2019 bike, they separated themselves from the team to the point they used their own headset and had zero communication with Team USA. Now it appears that Star has decided to take the same position as Kawi and with the majority of the best riders on those two teams it will make it difficult at best as we will only have the KTM group to chose from. Where do we go from here? I have no idea but it is a very sad and frustrating place to be in US MX. It's not a money thing, money is not the issue it's a culture and emphasis on SX issue that the US teams have adopted over the last number of years and if it wasn't for races being held at Red Bud we would have seen this sooner. 

Still blows my mind Kawi wasn’t talking to anyone at MXdN in 2018. Truly goes against everything the race is about. Bruce must be a very miserable individual to be that petty. 

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9/9/2023 7:28am
DonM wrote:
Like I said previously this is history repeating itself, in the late 70's to 1980 the US teams didn't support the MXDN and TDN and wouldn't...

Like I said previously this is history repeating itself, in the late 70's to 1980 the US teams didn't support the MXDN and TDN and wouldn't send riders. In 1981 Honda sent their whole team to compete and the rest is history until now....The US teams think the world revolves around them in this sport and with Kawi starting the trend of refusing to let their riders go and when they did go to Red Bud in 18 their main purpose was to test the 2019 bike, they separated themselves from the team to the point they used their own headset and had zero communication with Team USA. Now it appears that Star has decided to take the same position as Kawi and with the majority of the best riders on those two teams it will make it difficult at best as we will only have the KTM group to chose from. Where do we go from here? I have no idea but it is a very sad and frustrating place to be in US MX. It's not a money thing, money is not the issue it's a culture and emphasis on SX issue that the US teams have adopted over the last number of years and if it wasn't for races being held at Red Bud we would have seen this sooner. 

Still blows my mind Kawi wasn’t talking to anyone at MXdN in 2018. Truly goes against everything the race is about. Bruce must be a very...

Still blows my mind Kawi wasn’t talking to anyone at MXdN in 2018. Truly goes against everything the race is about. Bruce must be a very miserable individual to be that petty. 

It's more that Bruce its the teams culture.

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