WSX Rumor Round 2 canceled?

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Landonious217 wrote:
Really only have 3ish tracks worthy of it. Red Bud, Unadilla, and Washougal. But we know there just HAS to be a round on that dog...

Really only have 3ish tracks worthy of it. Red Bud, Unadilla, and Washougal. But we know there just HAS to be a round on that dog shit dirt in Southern California 🙄

As opposed to some mxgp tanks that are built in a parking lot??  Millville, Ironman, high point and southwick are all worthy of being in any premiere mx series. 

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chrisgg90 wrote:
Hopefully, too much SX as it is and too many SX only contracts. Time to get back to riders doing both series and maybe knocking a...

Hopefully, too much SX as it is and too many SX only contracts. Time to get back to riders doing both series and maybe knocking a couple of rounds off the current AMA SX as it is to give riders a few weeks off between series. Don’t quite get the fascination with SX over outdoor Motocross. 

Compare attendance between Pala and Anaheim … there’s the fascination . 

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ATKpilot99 wrote:
How many non Americans here have said very few care about Supercross outside of the US ? Maybe we're  seeing that . Not even an off-season...

How many non Americans here have said very few care about Supercross outside of the US ? Maybe we're  seeing that . Not even an off-season World SX series back in the 90s could be kept afloat and a lot of top riders participated . It's too early to tell , maybe this series is eventually successful but it doesn't look good .

They would care about it if all the US Factory riders were there, not just one. 

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Sparling wrote:
I hate to say it but going to the Vancouver one as a kid even with Carmichael in his prime there wasn’t a lot of people...

I hate to say it but going to the Vancouver one as a kid even with Carmichael in his prime there wasn’t a lot of people. They should be doing pre-sales already for Van

Its sounding like Vancouver is in jeopardy as well

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bc775 6/19/2023 9:29pm
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mb60 wrote:

Sounds like a well organized series. 

Lightning78 wrote:

I've said it quite a few times.....wsx isn't going to last

chrisgg90 wrote:
Hopefully, too much SX as it is and too many SX only contracts. Time to get back to riders doing both series and maybe knocking a...

Hopefully, too much SX as it is and too many SX only contracts. Time to get back to riders doing both series and maybe knocking a couple of rounds off the current AMA SX as it is to give riders a few weeks off between series. Don’t quite get the fascination with SX over outdoor Motocross. 

Its money. Sx is a very profitable thing to ride. Outdoors dont pay shit for the work that gets put in. 

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Sparling 6/19/2023 9:32pm
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Sparling wrote:
I hate to say it but going to the Vancouver one as a kid even with Carmichael in his prime there wasn’t a lot of people...

I hate to say it but going to the Vancouver one as a kid even with Carmichael in his prime there wasn’t a lot of people. They should be doing pre-sales already for Van

bc775 wrote:

Its sounding like Vancouver is in jeopardy as well

It’s a gamble Forsure, I feel like Montreal would have been a good choice. They have also joined with the Canadian Triple Crown Series for Vancouver so I feel like it’s not as big of a blow as some may think 

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Sparling wrote:
It’s a gamble Forsure, I feel like Montreal would have been a good choice. They have also joined with the Canadian Triple Crown Series for Vancouver...

It’s a gamble Forsure, I feel like Montreal would have been a good choice. They have also joined with the Canadian Triple Crown Series for Vancouver so I feel like it’s not as big of a blow as some may think 

They were talking on pulp that Vancouver might be in trouble tonight. Im curious if this is a ticket sale situation as well. 

Sparling 6/19/2023 9:36pm
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Sparling wrote:
It’s a gamble Forsure, I feel like Montreal would have been a good choice. They have also joined with the Canadian Triple Crown Series for Vancouver...

It’s a gamble Forsure, I feel like Montreal would have been a good choice. They have also joined with the Canadian Triple Crown Series for Vancouver so I feel like it’s not as big of a blow as some may think 

bc775 wrote:

They were talking on pulp that Vancouver might be in trouble tonight. Im curious if this is a ticket sale situation as well. 

Tickets aren’t even on sale yet

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I'm heartbroken.    No.   Really.

 

I am.

WSX - "yawn".

 

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TheDennisSystem wrote:
Probably not too smart to start a new series when we’re still in the worst economic catastrophe since 1929. It just came out we are officially...

Probably not too smart to start a new series when we’re still in the worst economic catastrophe since 1929. It just came out we are officially worse than in the Great Recession of 2008. Not a great time for anyone right now. 

In EU economic isnt in catastrophe its US thing more I guess. Seems everything is sold out here. 

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headlightracer wrote:
As a german I'm also curious. This Supermotocross thing (can't remember the exact name) that Luongo tried a couple years ago in Germany didn't went well...

As a german I'm also curious. This Supermotocross thing (can't remember the exact name) that Luongo tried a couple years ago in Germany didn't went well.

We got Dortmund in the winter which is the heart of German SX. More like Arenacross if you look at the size but waaaay cheaper compared to WSX.

And in the Netherlands we got Zuidbroek. Same as Dortmund but IMO even better.

If a race like WSX doesn't work in France with a much bigger "SX culture" I'm sceptical about other countries like Germany. But we will see.

The German round doesn't look very promising neither as far as sales go... 

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From a Brits perspective the whole WSX thing just seems weird at the moment.

I went to the round in Cardiff in October last year, there were a lot of rumblings and rumours of seats being given away for free to fill empty seats at the last minute. It was a very mixed crowd and there were definitely people who were just there for the half way entertainment act (some shite rapper I can't even remember his name).

The Villa Park Rd.1 is less than 2 weeks away and there's hardly any talk of it at the moment, and I don't know of anyone I know that's going.

Our group isn't bothering cause we weren't that fussed about the Cardiff round and Birmingham is a bit of a sh*t hole.

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headlightracer 6/20/2023 1:50am
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headlightracer wrote:
As a german I'm also curious. This Supermotocross thing (can't remember the exact name) that Luongo tried a couple years ago in Germany didn't went well...

As a german I'm also curious. This Supermotocross thing (can't remember the exact name) that Luongo tried a couple years ago in Germany didn't went well.

We got Dortmund in the winter which is the heart of German SX. More like Arenacross if you look at the size but waaaay cheaper compared to WSX.

And in the Netherlands we got Zuidbroek. Same as Dortmund but IMO even better.

If a race like WSX doesn't work in France with a much bigger "SX culture" I'm sceptical about other countries like Germany. But we will see.

Rad76 wrote:

The German round doesn't look very promising neither as far as sales go... 

At the moment you can't even buy tickets on their website. You can only register for pre-sale. So that doesn't mean anything at the moment.

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soyMotero 6/20/2023 4:27am
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Main problem is that they don't have riders, simple as that, you are not going to convence the french motocross fanbase to watch Ken Roczen and... Vince Friese? When a few weeks ago they saw Herlings, Prado, Seewer, Febvre, De Wolf at the French GP, that they are going to see Herlings, Jett, Sexton? Deegan?, Prado, Febvre, Ferrandis? At the end of the year at MXdN and even later in the year they will see Jett, Webb, Barcia, Vialle at the París SX.

Supercross is hard to grow outside the US, at least in Spain the only way to grow a sport is to have an Spaniard winning or dominating, Jorge Prado has appeared in the TV news and newspapers because he's leading the MXGP championship, RTVE, the state-owned public TV and Radio corporation, funded by the tax-payers, bought the TV rights of MXGP in Spain, why? Because Jorge is a championship contender, otherwise they wouldn't have cared about MX.

Want to grow a Sport in a country? Have a "national hero" winning, look at the Neederlands with Verstappen. WSX doesn't have that, they only have a German hero.

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RCMartin406 wrote:
I know it’ll never happen and American motocross doesn’t want it, but I really wish MXGP and MX sports would combine and make one series for...

I know it’ll never happen and American motocross doesn’t want it, but I really wish MXGP and MX sports would combine and make one series for a true world championship, maybe have 3-4 rounds in the states. I mean F1 and MotoGP are the premier and the preferred in road racing, MXGP should be the same in motocross. Too much greed involved on America’s side I’m sad to say.

Hey at least we got NASCAR woo hoo🙄

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Your bias is showing. F1 and moto gp are the premiere series because those disciplines aren't clearly more popular in one country, as is the case...

Your bias is showing. F1 and moto gp are the premiere series because those disciplines aren't clearly more popular in one country, as is the case with motocross in the US. If you want one unified motocross world championship, a majority of the rounds and attention would still need to come from the US, and the mxgp crowd are the ones who will never go for that.

I would disagree. Both sports you mentioned are clearly more popular outside the US then in the US.

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Sparling wrote:
I hate to say it but going to the Vancouver one as a kid even with Carmichael in his prime there wasn’t a lot of people...

I hate to say it but going to the Vancouver one as a kid even with Carmichael in his prime there wasn’t a lot of people. They should be doing pre-sales already for Van

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My son moved out there back in May and as soon as he found out they were having a round he TOLD me I'm flying out...

My son moved out there back in May and as soon as he found out they were having a round he TOLD me I'm flying out to watch it with him....I really hope they don't cancel it!

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I live in the okanagan so about a 5 hour drive 100% going with the wife and kid. Parents are gonna meet us there aswell as...

I live in the okanagan so about a 5 hour drive 100% going with the wife and kid. Parents are gonna meet us there aswell as some of my uncles aswell. I hope it’s a good turnout. 

My son also lives in Okanagan Valley. 

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RCMartin406 wrote:
I know it’ll never happen and American motocross doesn’t want it, but I really wish MXGP and MX sports would combine and make one series for...

I know it’ll never happen and American motocross doesn’t want it, but I really wish MXGP and MX sports would combine and make one series for a true world championship, maybe have 3-4 rounds in the states. I mean F1 and MotoGP are the premier and the preferred in road racing, MXGP should be the same in motocross. Too much greed involved on America’s side I’m sad to say.

Hey at least we got NASCAR woo hoo🙄

truck wrote:
Your bias is showing. F1 and moto gp are the premiere series because those disciplines aren't clearly more popular in one country, as is the case...

Your bias is showing. F1 and moto gp are the premiere series because those disciplines aren't clearly more popular in one country, as is the case with motocross in the US. If you want one unified motocross world championship, a majority of the rounds and attention would still need to come from the US, and the mxgp crowd are the ones who will never go for that.

vdrsnk04 wrote:

I would disagree. Both sports you mentioned are clearly more popular outside the US then in the US.

Correct. Which is why they have their premiere series with very little input from the US. He was suggesting mx should be the same way with mxgp, but mx is far more popular in the US, so it's not a good comparison. For a unified mx series, it would have to be dominated by US interests, not mxgp with a couple US rounds thrown in. 

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c0ncEpT 6/20/2023 5:04am
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Just another "World Championship" they can't fill seats in.

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Landonious217 6/20/2023 6:58am
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Landonious217 wrote:
Really only have 3ish tracks worthy of it. Red Bud, Unadilla, and Washougal. But we know there just HAS to be a round on that dog...

Really only have 3ish tracks worthy of it. Red Bud, Unadilla, and Washougal. But we know there just HAS to be a round on that dog shit dirt in Southern California 🙄

soggy wrote:
As opposed to some mxgp tanks that are built in a parking lot??  Millville, Ironman, high point and southwick are all worthy of being in any...

As opposed to some mxgp tanks that are built in a parking lot??  Millville, Ironman, high point and southwick are all worthy of being in any premiere mx series. 

I'm not saying they're not, but doing 6+ rounds in the US wouldn't make sense. Hell we can't even get a round below the Mason-Dixon in our own series.

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philG 6/20/2023 7:05am
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Still loads of ticket for Villa Park.. 

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bigk218 6/20/2023 7:48am
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Hopefully Kenny took all the money up front

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psychotronBR 6/20/2023 7:57am
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This is NEVER going to draw public interest until they have riders lining up on that gate. And by riders i mean more than just Ken Roczen.

This whole WSX thing ain't gonna work folks.

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WSX was always facing a mountain to climb with no US Stadium access.

To me, the only way WSX had a chance was to bring in other promoters events like Bercy, Geneva, Montreal etc. under a "World Championship" with their Aus/NZ races. 

And I think they tried, but played hardball. 

As it stands, they served a purpose in juicing up some more money for the riders stateside, showing that theoretically a competitor is possible. But barring a miracle this thing is toast. 

 

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kxking 6/20/2023 8:02am
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I hope Kenny cashed that first check already....

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roninho 6/20/2023 10:38am
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As others have said, you are not going to attract fans when guys like Friese are 3rd in points.

I wonder if they could have gotten the top mx2 gp riders with the money they spend on roczen and Tomac. If that would have gotten them the top 6-8  from MX2 you might have something.

Unite the best 5-6 European indoor events and get the GP guys involved in mx2. Create the gp version of sx. 

 

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chrisgg90 6/20/2023 10:59am
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chrisgg90 wrote:
Hopefully, too much SX as it is and too many SX only contracts. Time to get back to riders doing both series and maybe knocking a...

Hopefully, too much SX as it is and too many SX only contracts. Time to get back to riders doing both series and maybe knocking a couple of rounds off the current AMA SX as it is to give riders a few weeks off between series. Don’t quite get the fascination with SX over outdoor Motocross. 

eddie wrote:

Compare attendance between Pala and Anaheim … there’s the fascination . 

I’m not comparing attendance. What I said was I don’t get the fascination. It’s good for maybe the first 4-6 rounds then turns becomes a bit boring to watch, with the exception of this year where there was good racing nearly every weekend. I get it brings in the average Joe and the Bro crowd with the monster hats that don’t really know much about Moto. 
I mean I still watch it because it’s racing, but it doesn’t compare to outdoor moto. 

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Tate517 6/20/2023 12:33pm
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I would like to know if all of these WSX teams got paid upfront? If they didn't, and have signed rider contracts before having the actual money from the promoters/series to pay said rider (see MDK from back in the late 2000's)... Ooo Boy! This could get NASTY quickly! I genuinely hope that is not the case for the riders sake.

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kylemenz1 6/20/2023 12:44pm
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France has such a huge Supercross market. It’s surprising that they couldn’t sell tickets.

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RACING 6/20/2023 12:50pm
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I personally don't think WSX rd2 in Lyon suffers from the Tour de France or the economic situation. 
I think it has more to do with facing tough competition. 

This Saturday, the french SX championship is taking off in Clermont-Ferrand, 100 miles from Lyon. The stadium is way smaller (15000 spectators) but it is sold out just like it was before COVID. The tickets are affordable, the atmosphere on the SX tour is always real pleasant and laid back, you get to see all the best french SX racers, including those from the WSX teams like Bud and GSM, plus guests like Jace Owen or Josh Hill...

On the other hand, in november, you can attend Paris, which has already announced the Lawrence bros, Barcia, Vialle, and there are probably more to come (heard they're considering Sexton, Webb, maybe Roczen if he's not in the Emirates ) for their 40th edition.

Both organizers know their stuff.

So maybe a huge stadium with just one star and tickets in the upper range is just not the right recipe against the french "SX Tour" and "Bercy"...

Muse or Depeche Mode put more than 70000 fans in the Lyon stadium, they obviously have more star power than WSX does.

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