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...they start at 50k even for a base model
So do you think an extra 10hp on a bike that weighs less isn't that much better?
'13 sxf 250: 42.9 hp, 227 lbs
'23 sxf 250: 47.0 hp, 224 lbs
13 yzf 450: 55.2 hp, 245 lbs
'23 yzf 450: 58.95 hp, 231 lbs
Not saying they aren't better, as I agree they are, just examples.
The weight loss from the Japanese bikes has been impressive, chasing down the Orange ones.
MTB industry is stupid with prices.
All the bike manufacturers only build frames.
Everything else is bolt on from other companies.
Yes I spent more on my YT than my Hondas. Crazy really. 😬😬
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On a side note…… Honda does offer the CRF450RS that is cheaper with it being the old design.
Yep, I don't even want to say what I paid for my Santa cruz tall boy carbon fiber mountain bike.
I wont spend that much again even though its one trick bicycle and I love carbon fiber. 
Along with weight (which is a huge improvement), the biggest changes have come from ECU and component upgrades, making the power more manageable and tweakable, and hydraulic clutches. Suspension has also gotten a lot better across the board for OEM bikes.
All of which come from testing and development by factory race teams and filtered down to production bikes
Trucks are expensive but worth it. Love my newest RAM but will probably keep it another year because I only have 42K miles on it and I have had it over three years. I usually get a new one every 3 years or when I get 70k to 80k miles on it. It rides like a Cadillac it so comfortable and the best thing is I can see everything on the screen without needing my reading glasses.
Masterpools bike is far from stock.
Just because it has a “stock” engine in it doesn’t mean the rest of the bike is heavily massaged.
The stock engine is still powered by an expensive ecu and breathes through an expensive exhaust.
That doesn’t effect the price of the bike, except maybe KTM.
All the major brands have an advertising budget based on overall company sales, race teams gets a percentage of that pie.
Suzuki doesn’t pay for it because they don’t care about the North American market, they’re to busy selling a bejillion cars and scooters in Asia.
In my original example I went back 20 years. YZ450 in 2003 vs 2023 is roughly 10HP. At that timeline the price difference is actually worth talking about. 2013 to 2023 is the price of a pipe. I really don't see the gripe on the price of bikes. It's not just R&D contributing to the price of bikes. Do we not all make more money then we did 20 years ago?
47k for a base line Chevy 2500.
Far from stock?
He was more than likely on the ‘stockest’ bike on the line. When I saw their setup on a Thursday at Glen Helen (June 1st), two days before Hangtown, they literally yanked the KYB suspension off his 250F and slapped it onto a box stock KX450 with an exhaust…Heard he ran revalved/resprung stock Showa components for Thunder Valley that were overnighted midweek with very little setup time as well. Stock bar mounts, front brake lever, even; Basically added protection (skid plate and radiator louver covers), bars, grips, suspension, exhaust, and chassis prep (engine hangers and linkage, which anyone can purchase). That’s impressive in my book! If he keeps up the solid motos I’m sure more’s coming his way, but for now let’s enjoy the show and unexpected 2023 Outdoors Underdog.
To the OP: Dirtbike racing is one of the cheapest professionally motorsports, and that’s one of the reasons stories like this are so cool to watch. Anyone with talent and speed can turn heads. I don’t see this impacting the upper echelon of Pro racing, but amateurs and aspiring race families can learn a bit from such a grass-roots and well-executed effort…
I guess to me, hangers, chassis mods, suspension, and a link is far from a stock bike. Add a pipe and a good map, and that right there is all the difference in the world when it comes to the characteristics of the bike.
Stock is coming off the showroom and lining up.
I do like what you said in the added paragraph
So it was stock bike with $4,000 in add ons. Got it.
The kid had an impressive fricken ride for sure, but I'm sure there are plenty of dudes on the gate on similar or lesser equipment even.
the trick is to not buy complete bikes. buy a frameset and build it up. specialized margins on their parts kits on mid to high end bikes is criminal.
You are comparing wet to dry on the YZF
'13 yzf 450 was spec'd 245 lbs wet
'23 yzf 450 was spec'd 240 lbs wet
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I would certainly believe to many people bikes of twenty years ago are just as good. I suppose it depends upon who you are and what you expect of them. But to me, no way. As someone who is 58 with 5 knee surgeries, yes electric start might not be huge, but it's great. I see nothing that would make me replace a 2024 with a 2004, to me. Or a 2014 for that matter.
well said. It's still a bike that anyone could build for 15k. That's a good thing.
But it’s all a write off
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