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The cells aren't a secret, but Stark appears to have solved the battery cooling problem, without needing to water cool the battery pack. That's a huge improvement, it saves significant weight, and it's patented, so the other manufacturers have to find different solutions to compete.
Manufacturers will be waiting on delivery of their Stark Vargs to reverse engineer, but it will take them 4-6 years before they have a comparable product, Stark would have moved the goal posts by then.
Serious question since you live in California Brian. When your register it do you get a green sticker?
I know some of the e50 ktms aren't green sticker 🤦
The mid-softs are for.. well.. mid to soft conditions. If they’re ridden on hardpack tracks they loose their knobs fast. I always run the mid-soft on the front bc they’re so predictable and change between mid-soft and the mid-hard on the back depending on the conditions. I think 1bar is too much pressure. Between 0,9 and 0,95 is what I prefer.
The basic lithium battery chemistry was demonstrated in 1916, revived in the early 1970's and commercialised in 1992. Apart from improvements in packaging, the actual power versus weight equation has barely changed and has hit a brick wall of performance, though the hype is still going full bore.
Two coke cans full of petrol contain more energy than a 6kWh Stark battery.
Permanent magnet, electric motor rotors, with wound stators, like Starks have quite literally been around since the 1830's when motors first appeared.
There needs to be a massive jump in electron storage ability for EMX to be a proper thing, or for people to accept that the bikes will need to weigh well over 300 lb to be able to compete in the current formats.
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Proof of this is what?
Rare earth magnet rotor overheating, and their permanent, serious degradation, is the big issue for high powered BEVs. Rotors are extremely difficult to cool.
Best wait for some real hard arse tests on all this Stark stuff. Temperature control is a big part of EV design, and the engineering is hard.
Word on the street is that you can pack 24 tampons under the seat where the air box should be.
Are you saying that to come across insecure? Because it’s definitely working
Not insecure in the least bit. But it is true.
When Goldmember posts something in a Varg thread:
Bryan's posts are proof, it can be ridden for 35 minutes without overheating, and the battery isn't water cooled.
Honda, through it's subsidiary Mugen, has been building successful, competition winning E bikes for a long time; the Mugen Shinden first raced in TT Zero at the Isle of Man in 2012. They have more experience and knowledge of BEV's in their corporate little finger than Stark. Stark has never made and raced anything.
Honda is the Big Dog in a field of puppies, yet chooses not to produce an EMX bike.
They know that the weight/cost/range/performance trade off doesn't work well with E. Their Isle of Man road racers are very heavy- near 600lbs, same as with last years Energica Moto E bikes, with circa 20 kWh batteries. Moto GP bikes are about 360 lbs with well over double the power and 4 or 5 times the range. The relativity will be better for E in MX but the weight problem will remain with the primitive batteries.
I'd say Honda (and the other Japanese makers) do not want to risk reputational damage making a dodgy E MXer. KTM recently came out and said E50's and little play bikes Yes, but serious machines NO. E engineering is a lot harder, and more dangerous than people appreciate. This is not "hate'', just noticing what the corporate's behaviour says.
That information is from the amateur rulebook.
There's no mention of that in the Pro Rulebook.
https://mxsp.iscdn.net/2023/05/2706_2023_pro_mx_rulebook_final.pdf
The rule for electric bikes in the amateur rulebook was written around existing OEMs kids electric motocross bikes, not for full sized electric motocross bikes.
The Stark Varg is ineligible to race in AMA Pro and AMA Amateur events, and won't be until the AMA Board changes the rules, but the AMA Board is controlled by existing OEMs, who don't have comparable products to the Varg, what motivation would they have to change the rules?
All the manufacturers are designing and testing eMX bikes. You would be a total fool to think R&D is not happening.
The issue is they have to finish the ICE transition to ePower. They have to keep selling ICE for many more years still.
Once the amateur level of racing adds eMX classes than someone will start a Regional series and the AMA / Manufactures will all want in to control as we see today.
ePower doesn’t have to be from Lifepo4 cells. It’s source can be different options that are changing daily.
Changing the center of Mass is what’s changing the handling as far as chassis goes.
That’s my whole 2cents with inflation adjusted to 1.3cents. 🙃
It looks like electrics out and hydrogens in, with the big 4 Joining forces for development. If stark released that bike that quickly why couldn't the big 4? The poor range would be a disappointment
I look at the Stark Varg much like the YZ400F (Other than Yamaha was a established big doggy compared to Stark). The 400F came out of nowhere and it took the competition a few years to catch up; but they did catch up. Did Honda, Kawasaki, KTM etc. have proven prototypes ready to go into manufacturing when the 400F was released? Nope. I can see that 3 year timeframe being cut in half for an bike to compete with the Stark Varg IF they even choose to compete. But for thousands of MX riders that don't plan to go AMA Pro the Varg is a great bike for all the reason we've already heard here. Plus you have a whole generation of young riders teething on E-bike now. But right now I'm wondering (like others) just where those shipping containers filled with Stark Vargs are.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8MtR6rd95C4&ab_channel=E-Xplorer
I feel qualified to interject on this subject. Look at the final definition in this list. Sense three calls out bandwidth, but the implication is the same: Throttles restrict not only gasoline, but anything flowing through a system. This could easily be applied to electrons flowing through an open DC circuit. We can confidently still call it a throttle. (Just can't say, "give it gas" anymore!!)
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a(1)
: to compress the throat of : CHOKE
(2)
: to kill by such action
b: to prevent or check expression or activity of : SUPPRESS
policies that throttle creativity
cUS, informal : to defeat easily or completely
The Jets went to Miami and throttled the Dolphins.—Judy Battista
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a
: to decrease the flow of (something, such as steam or fuel to an engine) by a valve
b
: to regulate and especially to reduce the speed of (something, such as an engine) by such means
c
: to vary the thrust of (a rocket engine) during flight
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: to limit or reduce (the bandwidth available to users of an electronic communication system, such as the Internet) : to subject to throttling (see THROTTLING sense 2)
The company throttles data access for customers who use a lot of data during moments of network congestion …—Matt Day
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We could call it stirring the pot(entiometer)
I'm interested to know, as well. The CA DMV is so screwed up it wouldn't surprise me if they don't issue a sticker at all for it.
Right now with 2-strokes, they will not issue any kind of registration at all for new models. Yet, they require registration even for transporting an off-road vehicle in your truck. Catch-22. F you, California.
It's not just two strokes it's all off-road motorcycles 2022 and newer no green sticker or red sticker!
Time to buy a van!
California let my 22sx150 slip through got a red sticker for it as soon as they figure it out and pull it I won't be registered in another bike in California either will anybody else that I know LOL another way California shot themselves in the foot!
It's not all off-road motorcycle. I believe most new off-road versions of bikes are green. CRF, klx, etc... Hopefully stark did whatever paperwork they need to do so the idiots at CARB/DMV will realize a bike without emissions doesn't need emission restrictions.
It really is a shame there's no interest in electric motocross bikes
(time of posting: 625 replies, 55,000+ views in only the first week)
Haha, a hydrogen dirt bike! If people are concerned about how to charge an eMX at the track, they‘re in for a surprise with hydrogen…
I was replying to goldmember talking about the risk of electrocution . So it seems the AMA has already thought of that and taken care of it. Amatuer and Pro racing will often have different rules so even though it says ALL motocross , if it came from the am rulebook it might be totally different for the Pro side. Like how they allow 250 2 strokes in the 250f class in Am racing but in Pro racing they run with 450's.
I'm sure that Stark will pay for homologation when they have enough bikes in the US if the bike would otherwise be allowed .
I really hope that it is let into pro racing sooner than later. With the other brands coming in with teams , Triumph , Beta ? ,Ducati ? that would be so many more jobs for riders and team personal . If they all do come into pro racing.
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Even if Honda can, it doesn't meant that they will. They are way behind in the performance SXS world . Can-am and Polaris are the leaders.
And they work many years in the future. I do not doubt they are developing a bike.They are one of the brands ( KTM group, Yamaha and Honda)that put out the info saying they would work together on batteries. But they also are years deep in R&D for their CRF's. Remember how 2 strokes sat on dealer floors when the big boom of 4 strokes first happened?
Maybe they underestimated the interest in EMX bikes years ago as they were developing their next generations of bikes. Now they have millions invested in the R&D, tooling, training etc. for the next couple generations of MX bikes. If they had a Honda that was exactly the same as a Varg as far as power and runtime. More people would trust to buy from an established brand with everything else equal. So imagine the demand ? Then imagine the dealers stuck with 4 stroke MX bikes sitting on the showroom floors. And they at the very least have a next generation of CRF ready to go now.
WIth the 4 stroke boom it took around 4 or 5 years for the others to catch up to Yamaha. I think that Kawasaki Learned their lesson with being late to the 4 stroke game and is a reason why they were so early to announce they would be all electric by a certain date. I think that Kawasaki must have designs , maybe prototypes built already if they have set a date. I think that KTM wants to keep being known as a company that can develop and change fast. So they might just be hiding what they have going on. With all of the excitement around the Varg, it would be crazy for others not to build a similar machine. But like I said with SXS's they have not done it there. I think it will be different with electric though. Since Motorcycles are much more universal than SXS's.
And even if nobody can make an EMX bike that can do the Golmeber runtime test. They DO NOT make money on pro level racing, its advertisement, a loss, the money to go Pro racing comes from selling the local guys a bike at retail with all the extra fees.
Which is why the term "Full Throttle" is stupid.
That literally means completely shut off. "Wide Open" still works nicely.
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