Best Two-Vehicle Combo for A High-Mileage Moto Guy?

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Just adding that my moto car is my only car, so that's why it works. After kids, it's over for the moto miler.

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Cobbler wrote:

Just adding that my moto car is my only car, so that's why it works. After kids, it's over for the moto miler.

You're setup is dialed and would work so well for a lot of people. If I didn't need a truck bed I would be doing something similar.

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WarrenMX wrote:
This right here. It amazes me the costs that people will incur to "save" money on gas.  At 25,000 miles, $3.45 (gas price in NJ), 17mpg...

This right here. It amazes me the costs that people will incur to "save" money on gas. 

At 25,000 miles, $3.45 (gas price in NJ), 17mpg (gas mileage on the Sierra), you're looking at spending just over $5000 in gas per year. 

Let's say you got a second car for commuting and so 15,000 of those miles were done in the commuter at 35mpg. Your total gas cost would be around $3500 ( ~$2000 (Sierra) + ~$1450 (commuter)).

So you would be saving around $1500 per year in gas. Now factor in insurance, maintenance and depreciation on the commuter, and I bet you're likely losing money. 

There are certainly other reasons to get a commuter, it could be a comfort thing, for example your first vehicle is a loud van that's tiring to drive every day, or perhaps your family could benefit from having that second vehicle, but unless you're doing A LOT of miles, it rarely makes sense to have a second vehicle to save money on gas.

early wrote:
Depends on a person's situation. If you have an older truck that's paid off or close to it, it might make more sense to buy a...

Depends on a person's situation. If you have an older truck that's paid off or close to it, it might make more sense to buy a used commuter car and park the truck and only use it for family and truck stuff. That way you can save not just gas but wear and tear on your truck and stretch it for longer before you buy another $50k plus vehicle.

Bruce372 wrote:
That's what I've just done, my 2020 truck is paid off,  the same truck new would cost $20k more at today's prices. I got the 2022...

That's what I've just done, my 2020 truck is paid off,  the same truck new would cost $20k more at today's prices.

I got the 2022 subaru wrx as a commuter,  it's great value and a lot of fun.

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 By a lot of fun you mean a TON of fun 😁

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This was my ride in college (2013-2019). 2003 Mini Cooper S. Never had a single issue and it was fun! MPG was good too. I wish I kept the thing instead of selling it for $2500.

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Cobbler wrote:

Just adding that my moto car is my only car, so that's why it works. After kids, it's over for the moto miler.

JDR_697 wrote:
You're setup is dialed and would work so well for a lot of people. If I didn't need a truck bed I would be doing something...

You're setup is dialed and would work so well for a lot of people. If I didn't need a truck bed I would be doing something similar.

Sorry for the mass replies…

yes and why I love most about it is, after owning the last car I had (STI above), the freedom I feel by not worrying about a single thing is amazing. Driving a cheap car isn’t glamorous but honestly it feels so good to not worry about every little thing. I just drive it and care for it. The tires for it are $80 lol. It’s great. 

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Keep the pickup if you like it and just buy a cheap beater for work. Another option is keeping the truck and buying a motorcycle for commuting. 

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Timo wrote:
Keep the pickup if you like it and just buy a cheap beater for work. Another option is keeping the truck and buying a motorcycle for...

Keep the pickup if you like it and just buy a cheap beater for work. Another option is keeping the truck and buying a motorcycle for commuting. 

I’ve been watching/reading reviews of Ducati Scramblers and Triumph Tridents for the last week 😂

That’s a pipe dream though… too many Jersey drivers on their phones. At least when I eat shit on my dirt bike, it’s because I ran out of talent and not because someone else couldn’t put down TikTok 

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early wrote:
Depends on a person's situation. If you have an older truck that's paid off or close to it, it might make more sense to buy a...

Depends on a person's situation. If you have an older truck that's paid off or close to it, it might make more sense to buy a used commuter car and park the truck and only use it for family and truck stuff. That way you can save not just gas but wear and tear on your truck and stretch it for longer before you buy another $50k plus vehicle.

There is certainly a point at which it makes sense to buy a commuter vehicle, and as I said, there other factors other than saving money on gas, that come into play. As far as I know, the only consideration the OP has at this point is saving money. He hasn't stated any other reason for wanting a second vehicle to commute in, and so that's what my reply is based on.

At 25k miles (total) a year though, I still don't think it makes much financial sense, even when you factor in that extra wear and tear on the Sierra. 

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4/13/2023 10:39am
I agree (mostly) with your logic, but compare this scenario: A $30k Tesla as a daily commuter, and a $15k Tacoma as Falcon mentioned. Collectively, they...

I agree (mostly) with your logic, but compare this scenario: A $30k Tesla as a daily commuter, and a $15k Tacoma as Falcon mentioned.

Collectively, they are under the purchase budget. 
No fuel with the Tesla, but let's say that my electric bill increases $100/month, or $1,200 per year. 
The Tacoma would maybe be driven 5,000 miles a year. At 16 mpg... 312.5 gallons at $3.45 = $1,078.13 per year.
The last time I had two cars, my insurance was $80 more a month, $960/year. 

Total cost  = $3,238.13 

Fewer oil changes and presumed maintenance in the two car scenario because the Tesla apparently requires less. 

The caveat to all of this... I pretty much hate Teslas, and I don't have much interest in buying one. Also, saving $1,800 a year and compromising what I actually enjoy driving (the Sierra) doesn't make much sense. 

10 points for you WarrenMX... still interested to keep the thread going and hear would combos people like.  

It sounds like you're probably not going down the electric route, but something I would definitely look into if you do, is not guessing on the cost of charging. I owned a Rivian for about 6 weeks, and I was astounded how much our electricity bill increased. I work from home so I don't do that many miles but I realized that an electric car wouldn't make sense for us unless we got solar, or I started working at a company that provided free EV charging. 

 

4/13/2023 11:27am
I agree (mostly) with your logic, but compare this scenario: A $30k Tesla as a daily commuter, and a $15k Tacoma as Falcon mentioned. Collectively, they...

I agree (mostly) with your logic, but compare this scenario: A $30k Tesla as a daily commuter, and a $15k Tacoma as Falcon mentioned.

Collectively, they are under the purchase budget. 
No fuel with the Tesla, but let's say that my electric bill increases $100/month, or $1,200 per year. 
The Tacoma would maybe be driven 5,000 miles a year. At 16 mpg... 312.5 gallons at $3.45 = $1,078.13 per year.
The last time I had two cars, my insurance was $80 more a month, $960/year. 

Total cost  = $3,238.13 

Fewer oil changes and presumed maintenance in the two car scenario because the Tesla apparently requires less. 

The caveat to all of this... I pretty much hate Teslas, and I don't have much interest in buying one. Also, saving $1,800 a year and compromising what I actually enjoy driving (the Sierra) doesn't make much sense. 

10 points for you WarrenMX... still interested to keep the thread going and hear would combos people like.  

WarrenMX wrote:
It sounds like you're probably not going down the electric route, but something I would definitely look into if you do, is not guessing on the...

It sounds like you're probably not going down the electric route, but something I would definitely look into if you do, is not guessing on the cost of charging. I owned a Rivian for about 6 weeks, and I was astounded how much our electricity bill increased. I work from home so I don't do that many miles but I realized that an electric car wouldn't make sense for us unless we got solar, or I started working at a company that provided free EV charging. 

 

Why only 6 weeks? I bet it's because power (and everything else) in CA is expensive.

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I agree (mostly) with your logic, but compare this scenario: A $30k Tesla as a daily commuter, and a $15k Tacoma as Falcon mentioned. Collectively, they...

I agree (mostly) with your logic, but compare this scenario: A $30k Tesla as a daily commuter, and a $15k Tacoma as Falcon mentioned.

Collectively, they are under the purchase budget. 
No fuel with the Tesla, but let's say that my electric bill increases $100/month, or $1,200 per year. 
The Tacoma would maybe be driven 5,000 miles a year. At 16 mpg... 312.5 gallons at $3.45 = $1,078.13 per year.
The last time I had two cars, my insurance was $80 more a month, $960/year. 

Total cost  = $3,238.13 

Fewer oil changes and presumed maintenance in the two car scenario because the Tesla apparently requires less. 

The caveat to all of this... I pretty much hate Teslas, and I don't have much interest in buying one. Also, saving $1,800 a year and compromising what I actually enjoy driving (the Sierra) doesn't make much sense. 

10 points for you WarrenMX... still interested to keep the thread going and hear would combos people like.  

I recommend expanding that cost calculation. Edmunds has a great calculator tool: https://www.edmunds.com/tco.html
Fuel, depreciation, financing, licensing, taxes, insurance, maintenance, and repairs are all itemized to see and adjust. Depreciation is a big one your scenario is missing.
I would love a moto van but now that I see the total cost I can't get past it. I'm going SUV with hitch rack for 2 bikes and gas can.

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early wrote:
Depends on a person's situation. If you have an older truck that's paid off or close to it, it might make more sense to buy a...

Depends on a person's situation. If you have an older truck that's paid off or close to it, it might make more sense to buy a used commuter car and park the truck and only use it for family and truck stuff. That way you can save not just gas but wear and tear on your truck and stretch it for longer before you buy another $50k plus vehicle.

WarrenMX wrote:
There is certainly a point at which it makes sense to buy a commuter vehicle, and as I said, there other factors other than saving money...

There is certainly a point at which it makes sense to buy a commuter vehicle, and as I said, there other factors other than saving money on gas, that come into play. As far as I know, the only consideration the OP has at this point is saving money. He hasn't stated any other reason for wanting a second vehicle to commute in, and so that's what my reply is based on.

At 25k miles (total) a year though, I still don't think it makes much financial sense, even when you factor in that extra wear and tear on the Sierra. 

a beater cars tires are a heck of a lot cheaper than any new-ish trucks tires. 

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Davey wrote:
I drive a Honda Ridgeline for this purpose.  I get plenty of shit for it not being a "real truck" but it works perfect for me. ...

I drive a Honda Ridgeline for this purpose.  I get plenty of shit for it not being a "real truck" but it works perfect for me.  It drives great, nice interior for when I need to drive anyone around for work, bike fits in back, and the trunk under the bed is great for muddy gear.  And it's a Honda so I'm not worried about racking up the mileage.

Same here. It is just barely good enough for moto, but drives like a car and has a fairly short wheelbase. Secure bed trunk allows me to run the tailgate down, just the bike, with no extension or moto-gate (though I have one from previous trucks). 

Wife didn't like driving the Chevy 1500 crew cab around town when she infrequently drives, but was able to eliminate a car by getting something she'd drive when necessary. Which, as others have said in this forum, is the real cost savings - eliminating the vehicle cost in insurance, wear/tear, depreciation. 

 

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4/13/2023 12:59pm
Davey wrote:
I drive a Honda Ridgeline for this purpose.  I get plenty of shit for it not being a "real truck" but it works perfect for me. ...

I drive a Honda Ridgeline for this purpose.  I get plenty of shit for it not being a "real truck" but it works perfect for me.  It drives great, nice interior for when I need to drive anyone around for work, bike fits in back, and the trunk under the bed is great for muddy gear.  And it's a Honda so I'm not worried about racking up the mileage.

The haters can suck it. I'm in the market for a truck and the Ridgeline would be my 2nd choice (Cybertruck 1st choice but who knows when I will be able to get mine delivered). The only problem is the 2nd Gen Ridgeline came out in 2017 so it is time for a new Gen. I'll try to hold out until a redesign comes along. It wouldn't be nice to buy a one this year and have an all-new truck come out the next. The new Colorado looks good and we'll see how the new Ranger and Tacoma look but I really like the Ridgeline because of the points you stated. They are also substantially larger in the interior due to the unibody construction. The comfortable ride and underbed storage are huge bonuses. 

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I'm running a 1998 Chevy 1500 and 2008 VW GTI. Total purchase price of the two was $16k, and I bought the truck in very good condition many years back.

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early wrote:
Depends on a person's situation. If you have an older truck that's paid off or close to it, it might make more sense to buy a...

Depends on a person's situation. If you have an older truck that's paid off or close to it, it might make more sense to buy a used commuter car and park the truck and only use it for family and truck stuff. That way you can save not just gas but wear and tear on your truck and stretch it for longer before you buy another $50k plus vehicle.

Bruce372 wrote:
That's what I've just done, my 2020 truck is paid off,  the same truck new would cost $20k more at today's prices. I got the 2022...

That's what I've just done, my 2020 truck is paid off,  the same truck new would cost $20k more at today's prices.

I got the 2022 subaru wrx as a commuter,  it's great value and a lot of fun.

Cobbler wrote:
 By a lot of fun you mean a TON of fun 😁

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 By a lot of fun you mean a TON of fun 😁

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I just built and ordered a 24 2500 duramax ltz Silverado a few days ago at the Chevy dealership. I lost my Silverado in the hurricane but it was the best vehicle I have owned and have had a few. At first the dealership said 4 to 6 weeks then at the end said oops its going to be 6 months for that build. So I put the deposit on it but I need one now because I'm moving and building at my farm so buying a lightly used 22 or 23 and maybe trade it in when the build is done or even just lose my deposit if I like the 22,23 a lot. The 24 2500 is a completly different vehicle where they finally updated the interior and body style. My gas vehicles burned so much more fuel than my diesel that it was a lot cheaper for diesel in the end. Right now I drive a minivan with a trailer and let's just say I don't get any respect at the feed store picking up round bales in-between a bunch of f250s and Silverados. Lol 20221214 113408 0

 

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Why only 6 weeks? I bet it's because power (and everything else) in CA is expensive.

Power is definitely more costly than average around here. The Rivian also just uses more power than any other electric vehicle. 

I preordered mine before covid when I thought I would be commuting to my job. By the time it was ready for delivery I was working from home and realized I will probably work from home for the rest of my career. I decided to still take delivery knowing that I could flip it at the time and make ~$30k. I drove it around for a month and realized I still prefer my 144 Sprinter for moto and taking the family to the beach etc. 

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4/14/2023 10:02am
yz763 wrote:
I just traded in a 2021 Silverado with the 3.0L Duramax and 10 speed.The cruise set between 70-75 and that thing would easily get 30 mpg’s...

I just traded in a 2021 Silverado with the 3.0L Duramax and 10 speed.The cruise set between 70-75 and that thing would easily get 30 mpg’s. I think I averaged around 23-25 in town. A bike in the back was no impact on mileage. The truck was great for our 4 year old and 1 year old in a rear facing car seat. 

I loved that truck but started having some issues around 50k miles. The new (2023) 3.0L Duramax trucks are a redesign that addressed a lot of the issues I was having.

We got a 2500 diesel for tax purposes but that 1500 with the 3.0L had no problem tugging a 16 foot v nose with 6 bikes. 

SrfNdirt wrote:

What issues were you having?   I have the same truck (gmc) w/ 20k miles and it's probably the best truck I've owned. 

Bruce372 wrote:
My day is ruined, LOL. I've got the 2020 silverado 3.0L diesel,  it gets nearly twice the mpg of my 2010 5.3 gas silverado and I...

My day is ruined, LOL.

I've got the 2020 silverado 3.0L diesel,  it gets nearly twice the mpg of my 2010 5.3 gas silverado and I love this truck.... but I am petrified of the potential for the complex emissions to go wrong. 

Try not to let it idle for more than a few minutes if possible. The engine is able to burn off some of the particulate matter at elevated RPMs, but at idle it just collects in the DPF. Idle time is the death of diesel engines that have a DPF. 

Also, try not to turn the engine off if you notice it's doing an active regeneration, this is called an aborted regen...multiple aborted regens will usually be the begining of many headaches to come, the DPF never gets fully cleaned and then the computer has a tantrum. 

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Try not to let it idle for more than a few minutes if possible. The engine is able to burn off some of the particulate matter...

Try not to let it idle for more than a few minutes if possible. The engine is able to burn off some of the particulate matter at elevated RPMs, but at idle it just collects in the DPF. Idle time is the death of diesel engines that have a DPF. 

Also, try not to turn the engine off if you notice it's doing an active regeneration, this is called an aborted regen...multiple aborted regens will usually be the begining of many headaches to come, the DPF never gets fully cleaned and then the computer has a tantrum. 

This was a nightmare in the early gen Cascadia's with the DD15 around 2010. If you didn't have an inverter and APU and had to idle the truck for long periods to keep cool or warm the truck would lose it's mind trying to do a regen, and that usually happened as you were going down the road which put it into limp mode. lol

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I have an Audi A6 with the 3.0 TDI and the Sline + sport suspension for commuting and weekend ski trips, and a Ram 3500 Cummins mega cab for dirt bike and family hauling as well as moving the skid loader around as needed.  The Audi handles pretty well both winter and summer conditions (different tires/wheels) and gets 35-45mpg while putting out 520ft lbs of torque.  The Ram totes bikes in the bed or on a hitch hauler for quick trips with just me the my son, and I pull a 20' box trailer for longer trips or if we have more people along for the adventure.  I live in the mountains in Colorado so I'm always on steep grades.  Torque is key for a relaxing experience.  The wife’s main family hauler is a Land Rover LR4.  That combo gets us around the mountains in Colorado quite nicely.  

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I have an Audi A6 with the 3.0 TDI and the Sline + sport suspension for commuting and weekend ski trips, and a Ram 3500 Cummins...

I have an Audi A6 with the 3.0 TDI and the Sline + sport suspension for commuting and weekend ski trips, and a Ram 3500 Cummins mega cab for dirt bike and family hauling as well as moving the skid loader around as needed.  The Audi handles pretty well both winter and summer conditions (different tires/wheels) and gets 35-45mpg while putting out 520ft lbs of torque.  The Ram totes bikes in the bed or on a hitch hauler for quick trips with just me the my son, and I pull a 20' box trailer for longer trips or if we have more people along for the adventure.  I live in the mountains in Colorado so I'm always on steep grades.  Torque is key for a relaxing experience.  The wife’s main family hauler is a Land Rover LR4.  That combo gets us around the mountains in Colorado quite nicely.  

I’m guessing the A6 has a tune on it to put out 520lb ft. Who did you have tune it? I have a Q7 tdi and love the torque. You are correct, the torque is what makes for a relaxing experience. Driven mine through Colorado and Idaho a few times. I was amazed at its lack of downshifting going up steep grades. 

4/14/2023 7:45pm

Buy a van. 

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Why only 6 weeks? I bet it's because power (and everything else) in CA is expensive.

WarrenMX wrote:
Power is definitely more costly than average around here. The Rivian also just uses more power than any other electric vehicle.  I preordered mine before covid...

Power is definitely more costly than average around here. The Rivian also just uses more power than any other electric vehicle. 

I preordered mine before covid when I thought I would be commuting to my job. By the time it was ready for delivery I was working from home and realized I will probably work from home for the rest of my career. I decided to still take delivery knowing that I could flip it at the time and make ~$30k. I drove it around for a month and realized I still prefer my 144 Sprinter for moto and taking the family to the beach etc. 

The Hummer is the electricity hog by a long margin. The environmental damage and children involved in mining the lithium are swept under the rug. The blind sighted narrative going off a cliff. 
  2 car. Cheap Honda or Toyota and a SUV for kid hauling. 

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Timo wrote:
Keep the pickup if you like it and just buy a cheap beater for work. Another option is keeping the truck and buying a motorcycle for...

Keep the pickup if you like it and just buy a cheap beater for work. Another option is keeping the truck and buying a motorcycle for commuting. 

My idea too…keep the truck buy a Honda accord/Camry and run it into the ground.  

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BikePilot wrote:
I have an Audi A6 with the 3.0 TDI and the Sline + sport suspension for commuting and weekend ski trips, and a Ram 3500 Cummins...

I have an Audi A6 with the 3.0 TDI and the Sline + sport suspension for commuting and weekend ski trips, and a Ram 3500 Cummins mega cab for dirt bike and family hauling as well as moving the skid loader around as needed.  The Audi handles pretty well both winter and summer conditions (different tires/wheels) and gets 35-45mpg while putting out 520ft lbs of torque.  The Ram totes bikes in the bed or on a hitch hauler for quick trips with just me the my son, and I pull a 20' box trailer for longer trips or if we have more people along for the adventure.  I live in the mountains in Colorado so I'm always on steep grades.  Torque is key for a relaxing experience.  The wife’s main family hauler is a Land Rover LR4.  That combo gets us around the mountains in Colorado quite nicely.  

Bromley686 wrote:
I’m guessing the A6 has a tune on it to put out 520lb ft. Who did you have tune it? I have a Q7 tdi and...

I’m guessing the A6 has a tune on it to put out 520lb ft. Who did you have tune it? I have a Q7 tdi and love the torque. You are correct, the torque is what makes for a relaxing experience. Driven mine through Colorado and Idaho a few times. I was amazed at its lack of downshifting going up steep grades. 

It's actually totally stock. I dynoed it and it registered 520 torque and 220hp.  Neither match up to the factory quoted numbers. 

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