Brand new 250f is oddly slow?

3/8/2023 4:12pm
gerg wrote:
Nataniel is 100% correct on his take...it's speed that carries you over, not power. If you're fully tapped in 4th and not making it, then I'd...

Nataniel is 100% correct on his take...it's speed that carries you over, not power.

If you're fully tapped in 4th and not making it, then I'd be looking at clutch and or sprocket sizing.

Look at how the FMOTP takes the next 2 massive jumps in this onboard.  He gets up to speed, then coasts over off the throttle.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QY_tu4dKWNU&t=93s

After reading all of the replies I am leaning towards a slipping clutch. 

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gerg wrote:
Nataniel is 100% correct on his take...it's speed that carries you over, not power. If you're fully tapped in 4th and not making it, then I'd...

Nataniel is 100% correct on his take...it's speed that carries you over, not power.

If you're fully tapped in 4th and not making it, then I'd be looking at clutch and or sprocket sizing.

Look at how the FMOTP takes the next 2 massive jumps in this onboard.  He gets up to speed, then coasts over off the throttle.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QY_tu4dKWNU&t=93s

After reading all of the replies I am leaning towards a slipping clutch. 

Is it banging off the rev limiter?

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3/8/2023 5:21pm Edited Date/Time 3/8/2023 5:22pm

Check the tension on your clutch cable. There should be a tiny amount of free play in the cable before it’s starts disengaging the clutch. 
 

a slipping clutch is easy to notice from feel and sound the engine makes. 

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3/8/2023 5:33pm
soggy wrote:
Check the tension on your clutch cable. There should be a tiny amount of free play in the cable before it’s starts disengaging the clutch.   ...

Check the tension on your clutch cable. There should be a tiny amount of free play in the cable before it’s starts disengaging the clutch. 
 

a slipping clutch is easy to notice from feel and sound the engine makes. 

soggy is right. clutch cable tension is key

 

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3/8/2023 6:29pm

Can we get a video of you riding?

I wanna see Pro Circuit kawi's new fill in rider.

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If you’re actually on the limiter in 4th, then something is wrong with that bike. I’ve hit some big jumps in my time, and while I’ve...

If you’re actually on the limiter in 4th, then something is wrong with that bike. I’ve hit some big jumps in my time, and while I’ve been wide open in 4th, never been on the limiter. 

lumpy790 wrote:
“and I'm literally riding the throttle stop screaming all the way up the face “ I’m Not sure if he is saying bogging in a higher...

“and I'm literally riding the throttle stop screaming all the way up the face “

I’m Not sure if he is saying bogging in a higher gear going up the hill but throttle is WFO or if he is actually at higher revs.

I tried to hit it in 3rd wide, not even close, so I moved to 4th and got a lot closer, but still not clearing it...

I tried to hit it in 3rd wide, not even close, so I moved to 4th and got a lot closer, but still not clearing it. WFO as in I literally had the throttle turned all the way the entire way up the jump in 4th gear, I was no lower than 85% through 4th gear in terms of RPMs

Reposition the way you grip the throttle, you’re most likely not WFO

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3/8/2023 6:42pm
Farmer J wrote:
I had to go back and down vote all your replies. A stock yz250f will rii riii riiii RIP your house off the foundation.   Also the...

I had to go back and down vote all your replies. A stock yz250f will rii riii riiii RIP your house off the foundation.  

Also the only things known to be just as reliable is the legendary 12v cummins and the 4.0 straight 6. 

LMAO! I love it... farmer J your completely correct.. I mean in reality the yamaha 250F is the best 250F out there if built right. but...

LMAO! I love it... farmer J your completely correct.. I mean in reality the yamaha 250F is the best 250F out there if built right. but hey what does CW1 and Wossner and carillo and cp know that we dont.... Ahh its for the birds.

 

If you put a wossner rod and del west valves on a yz250f would you say the reliability would be on par with ktm? 

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yak651 wrote:

Reposition the way you grip the throttle, you’re most likely not WFO

There’s no way you could read this threads and think that’s the problem 😂😂

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3/8/2023 6:49pm Edited Date/Time 3/8/2023 6:50pm

Lets see some vids of you riding then we will find some answers...Last time I looked theres dudes making nattys on stock bikes...

Making nattys on stock bikes? WHO? i mean making it to the nattys with the stock bike like: loading it in the truck and driving it...

Making nattys on stock bikes? WHO? i mean making it to the nattys with the stock bike like: loading it in the truck and driving it to the natty is one thing..... qualifying on a stock bike..... idk. I highly doubt that this has happened on a completely stock bike.... if it has more power to them... but that will end real soon after taking that stock bike out on that demanding loam that is ripped 2ft deep! 

 

Like i said..above. The stock 2016 2017 2018 2019 2020 2021 2022 2023 bike is worse than the 2014 model. 

 

Any pro or real b class rider is running dual injection setup on these too... 

My son did it in 21 on a YZ250f and on a Gas gas MC250f in 22. I'm sure plenty of others have too.

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3/8/2023 7:05pm

ive had a problem one time i used spray on air filter oil.  never did that again.   after changing that i would try a buddys gas

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3/8/2023 7:15pm
gerg wrote:
Nataniel is 100% correct on his take...it's speed that carries you over, not power. If you're fully tapped in 4th and not making it, then I'd...

Nataniel is 100% correct on his take...it's speed that carries you over, not power.

If you're fully tapped in 4th and not making it, then I'd be looking at clutch and or sprocket sizing.

Look at how the FMOTP takes the next 2 massive jumps in this onboard.  He gets up to speed, then coasts over off the throttle.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QY_tu4dKWNU&t=93s

After reading all of the replies I am leaning towards a slipping clutch. 

I know you think I'm a total jackass, but if I had to make ONE guess why that bike feels slow/different to you, it would be a clutch problem. It's about the only thing that wouldn't be immediately apparent based on a sound difference.

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Lets see some vids of you riding then we will find some answers...Last time I looked theres dudes making nattys on stock bikes...

Making nattys on stock bikes? WHO? i mean making it to the nattys with the stock bike like: loading it in the truck and driving it...

Making nattys on stock bikes? WHO? i mean making it to the nattys with the stock bike like: loading it in the truck and driving it to the natty is one thing..... qualifying on a stock bike..... idk. I highly doubt that this has happened on a completely stock bike.... if it has more power to them... but that will end real soon after taking that stock bike out on that demanding loam that is ripped 2ft deep! 

 

Like i said..above. The stock 2016 2017 2018 2019 2020 2021 2022 2023 bike is worse than the 2014 model. 

 

Any pro or real b class rider is running dual injection setup on these too... 

Jack_Wagon wrote:

My son did it in 21 on a YZ250f and on a Gas gas MC250f in 22. I'm sure plenty of others have too.

One of the mxa guys did it last summer on an Rmz-250. I think it even had stock valving. 

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3/8/2023 7:44pm
gerg wrote:
Nataniel is 100% correct on his take...it's speed that carries you over, not power. If you're fully tapped in 4th and not making it, then I'd...

Nataniel is 100% correct on his take...it's speed that carries you over, not power.

If you're fully tapped in 4th and not making it, then I'd be looking at clutch and or sprocket sizing.

Look at how the FMOTP takes the next 2 massive jumps in this onboard.  He gets up to speed, then coasts over off the throttle.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QY_tu4dKWNU&t=93s

I dunno. You see pros with very short run at a supercross triple and sloppy mud before the jump but face is dry and they use all that 450 torque going up face to clear the jump with no run at all.  Pure power 

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3/8/2023 8:36pm
gerg wrote:
Nataniel is 100% correct on his take...it's speed that carries you over, not power. If you're fully tapped in 4th and not making it, then I'd...

Nataniel is 100% correct on his take...it's speed that carries you over, not power.

If you're fully tapped in 4th and not making it, then I'd be looking at clutch and or sprocket sizing.

Look at how the FMOTP takes the next 2 massive jumps in this onboard.  He gets up to speed, then coasts over off the throttle.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QY_tu4dKWNU&t=93s

TogaSet wrote:
I dunno. You see pros with very short run at a supercross triple and sloppy mud before the jump but face is dry and they use...

I dunno. You see pros with very short run at a supercross triple and sloppy mud before the jump but face is dry and they use all that 450 torque going up face to clear the jump with no run at all.  Pure power 

Still speed, but need the power for the short run. Takeoff speed remains constant. 

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3/8/2023 8:49pm
gerg wrote:
Nataniel is 100% correct on his take...it's speed that carries you over, not power. If you're fully tapped in 4th and not making it, then I'd...

Nataniel is 100% correct on his take...it's speed that carries you over, not power.

If you're fully tapped in 4th and not making it, then I'd be looking at clutch and or sprocket sizing.

Look at how the FMOTP takes the next 2 massive jumps in this onboard.  He gets up to speed, then coasts over off the throttle.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QY_tu4dKWNU&t=93s

TogaSet wrote:
I dunno. You see pros with very short run at a supercross triple and sloppy mud before the jump but face is dry and they use...

I dunno. You see pros with very short run at a supercross triple and sloppy mud before the jump but face is dry and they use all that 450 torque going up face to clear the jump with no run at all.  Pure power 

Still speed, but need the power for the short run. Takeoff speed remains constant. 

Yep, acceleration is needed on a short run up (which is what makes these bikes so awesome to watch) to get to the necessary speed to clear.

Just like the seat bounce myth...riders aren't compressing the rear to catapult/spring themselves over a jump with spring rebound...the rebound damper prevents anything like this from happening anyway.  They sit down and compress the rear for added traction/max acceleration over a shorter distance.

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3/8/2023 8:57pm

I don't own a YZ250F , or any 250F , but this sure sounds like a mapping issue. Hope the owner gets it figured out. That's one great thing about all these new 4 strokes , is you can play around and make it feel like 20 different bikes.

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3/8/2023 9:05pm
Farmer J wrote:
I had to go back and down vote all your replies. A stock yz250f will rii riii riiii RIP your house off the foundation.   Also the...

I had to go back and down vote all your replies. A stock yz250f will rii riii riiii RIP your house off the foundation.  

Also the only things known to be just as reliable is the legendary 12v cummins and the 4.0 straight 6. 

I have a 4.0 straight 6 in a 2001 Cherokee I picked up last year for $2,500. Only had 130k miles. Great vehicle. 

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3/8/2023 11:08pm

I would check the clutch play first.

If it's not the clutch slipping, and the engine can hit the rev limiter, and it's been this way from the factory, is it possible that the timing chain is a off a tooth?  I have no idea if a modern 250F will even run in this situation.

I've seen this happen far too many times on friends' cars over the years.  They run, but run like crap, with no power.

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3/8/2023 11:13pm
cable wrote:

ive had a problem one time i used spray on air filter oil.  never did that again.   after changing that i would try a buddys gas

I once left a rag in my air box and couldn't start my bike the day of the race. Tried everything before my dad said to take off the seat and look around. Oops

OP, is there a rag in your air box? 

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3/9/2023 1:52am
cable wrote:

ive had a problem one time i used spray on air filter oil.  never did that again.   after changing that i would try a buddys gas

enketchum wrote:
I once left a rag in my air box and couldn't start my bike the day of the race. Tried everything before my dad said to...

I once left a rag in my air box and couldn't start my bike the day of the race. Tried everything before my dad said to take off the seat and look around. Oops

OP, is there a rag in your air box? 

Me too. I even towed my bike behind my friend's van trying to start it. I was about 14 -- no Dad -- and I didn't figure it out until I got home. I'm positive that I was going to win and get a team green ride or something that day too. Laughing

unclerico

 

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3/9/2023 5:13am

I don't think I've ever read a post with such shit advice. Ever. Check your grip on the throttle? Are you serious? Dude claims to be a B rider, pretty sure he knows how to grip the throttle and what wide open feels like.

 

I would start by seeing if the dealer will do anything. If they're going to charge you hours of labor to find nothing, then I wouldn't go that route but if they'll look it over free of charge being that it's a brand new bike, then go that route first.

 

The lack of power and backfiring makes me think it's fuel/time related. Could potentially be valve timing and that's easy enough to check by pulling the valve cover and lining up the timing marks. Probably a slim chance that it jumped time being brand new but there's a chance.

 

I'd also check the plug color like previously mentioned and get an idea how it's burning. If it's sooty and rich, it could potentially cause some popping and backfiring and that could be leaned out with the app. I'd probably return all fuel and timing maps back to stock just for a baseline.

 

As long as the wheels sling freely and there's adequate free play in the clutch cable, I'd say it's definitely engine related 

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3/9/2023 5:14am
soggy wrote:
Check the tension on your clutch cable. There should be a tiny amount of free play in the cable before it’s starts disengaging the clutch.   ...

Check the tension on your clutch cable. There should be a tiny amount of free play in the cable before it’s starts disengaging the clutch. 
 

a slipping clutch is easy to notice from feel and sound the engine makes. 

soggy is right. clutch cable tension is key

 

Also, how many down votes on every single post do you have to get before you're just permanently banned? Asking for a friend

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3/9/2023 6:00am

How many posts on "your clutch is slipping" are needed. Jesus h christ .

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This thread is unhinged lol.

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3/9/2023 6:36am Edited Date/Time 3/9/2023 6:41am
colintrax wrote:
This doesnt make sense. You're saying you're at like 9k rpm in 4th gear and can't clear a jump? Clearing a jump is a function of...

This doesnt make sense. You're saying you're at like 9k rpm in 4th gear and can't clear a jump? Clearing a jump is a function of speed not power output. You clearly have more than enough speed.

Popping on deaccel sounds lean. Investigate your fuel pump/injectors.

I normally would 100% agree with on this point but if you watch videos of this jump it's a steep uphill triple with not much of a lip. 

On my 250 I would deff have yank the throttle to clear it. It's not one of those just hit it with speed jumps. 

Any modern 250f with a healthy motor should be able to clear this jump no problem. 

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3/9/2023 7:02am
colintrax wrote:
This doesnt make sense. You're saying you're at like 9k rpm in 4th gear and can't clear a jump? Clearing a jump is a function of...

This doesnt make sense. You're saying you're at like 9k rpm in 4th gear and can't clear a jump? Clearing a jump is a function of speed not power output. You clearly have more than enough speed.

Popping on deaccel sounds lean. Investigate your fuel pump/injectors.

I normally would 100% agree with on this point but if you watch videos of this jump it's a steep uphill triple with not much of...

I normally would 100% agree with on this point but if you watch videos of this jump it's a steep uphill triple with not much of a lip. 

On my 250 I would deff have yank the throttle to clear it. It's not one of those just hit it with speed jumps. 

Any modern 250f with a healthy motor should be able to clear this jump no problem. 

They are all "hit it with speed jumps." You can manipulate your trajectory angle multiple ways via loading your suspension, scrubbing, sucking up with your legs, etc., but for a given trajectory there is a given required speed baring a change in outside factors (like headwind).

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