Paris Super Sketchy ??

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Edited Date/Time 11/10/2022 5:45pm
I mean I’m no track builder/structural engineer but surely this isn’t right?


And less worrying but still, wouldn’t the hay compress at a faster rate than the dirt? Sure it works just never knew this was an appropriate technique for building jumps.

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Teej317 11/9/2022 8:40am
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sandman768 11/9/2022 8:43am
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The show must go on……😂
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snillum 11/9/2022 8:58am
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The hay is probably already compressed pretty tightly. Famers will stack bails 10-15 high and the bottom bails are really no worse than the ones on top. The issue would be if they left the bails under the dirt for months.

The table top is... interesting.
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toroP 11/9/2022 9:09am
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I want to see their math on the shipping containers perched on wooden pallets. What do you think, engineers or a couple dudes living at their parents farm?
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CPR 11/9/2022 9:11am
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You realise they’ve only been doing this for like 38 years……
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lappedrider 11/9/2022 9:13am
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Hay is expensive. Not sure this is a good cost saving option.
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LungButter 11/9/2022 9:14am
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lappedrider wrote:
Hay is expensive. Not sure this is a good cost saving option.
That's kinda what I was thinking.
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The real Sasquatch 11/9/2022 9:15am
11/9/2022 9:15am
They have probably been doing it that way for years. The Straw bales in the jump should be fine, they get groomed so often. As a kid I've ridden much sketchier jumps and setups. The container stacked on pallets looks fine.looks like the cribbing uses when moving a house , the corners of the pallets are solid wood. If it can handle the weight of the dozer spreading the dirt or skid steer , it will be fine with dirtbikes on it. Yes the dozer or skid steer would spread its weight out over a larger area, but its total weight is going to be more than it would see with the racers hitting it. In the 1980's they were making jumps with flatbed trailers , a lot of flatbed trailers will use the same thick boards they are using for the ramp parts along with steel. I bet if you look back at some of the past races you'll notice similar shaped jumps to the container jump. The corners of the containers are where the strength is, and looks like they built some sort of platform on top similar to the ramps to spread the load out. When you take steps to reinforce the tops and sides , containers can be strong enough to bury underground. They stack 1000's of tons of containers on top of eachother so when done right they do have a lot of strength. I've talked to some of the oldtimer masons and they used to use bales of Straw under brick stairs as a "form" the hay/straw held the bricks and cement until it dried and then would decompose. And the stairs would be hollow after. A bale of straw under a couple feet of packed clay would be hard to feel when the jumps are finished. As kids we had access to a large amount of horse poop and a small amount of dirt. Horse poop is mostly hay, with some dirt over the top it felt like it was all dirt.
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The real Sasquatch wrote:
They have probably been doing it that way for years. The Straw bales in the jump should be fine, they get groomed so often. As a...
They have probably been doing it that way for years. The Straw bales in the jump should be fine, they get groomed so often. As a kid I've ridden much sketchier jumps and setups. The container stacked on pallets looks fine.looks like the cribbing uses when moving a house , the corners of the pallets are solid wood. If it can handle the weight of the dozer spreading the dirt or skid steer , it will be fine with dirtbikes on it. Yes the dozer or skid steer would spread its weight out over a larger area, but its total weight is going to be more than it would see with the racers hitting it. In the 1980's they were making jumps with flatbed trailers , a lot of flatbed trailers will use the same thick boards they are using for the ramp parts along with steel. I bet if you look back at some of the past races you'll notice similar shaped jumps to the container jump. The corners of the containers are where the strength is, and looks like they built some sort of platform on top similar to the ramps to spread the load out. When you take steps to reinforce the tops and sides , containers can be strong enough to bury underground. They stack 1000's of tons of containers on top of eachother so when done right they do have a lot of strength. I've talked to some of the oldtimer masons and they used to use bales of Straw under brick stairs as a "form" the hay/straw held the bricks and cement until it dried and then would decompose. And the stairs would be hollow after. A bale of straw under a couple feet of packed clay would be hard to feel when the jumps are finished. As kids we had access to a large amount of horse poop and a small amount of dirt. Horse poop is mostly hay, with some dirt over the top it felt like it was all dirt.
This is accurate. Horse poop is basically about to be dirt. It’s part of my daily life living with a crazy horse girl.
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Everything's good til it snot.
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SteveUrchin 11/9/2022 9:39am
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lappedrider wrote:
Hay is expensive. Not sure this is a good cost saving option.
LungButter wrote:
That's kinda what I was thinking.
Probably not Hay most likely bales of straw.
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toroP 11/9/2022 10:10am
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CPR wrote:
You realise they’ve only been doing this for like 38 years……
Are you sure this is how it’s always done?
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The real Sasquatch 11/9/2022 10:35am
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This is one of the photos shown at that link. I'm sure others are out there. A quick search of images shows that the jumps have had the squared off sides for a while now. There is a thread on Vital about a farmer using bales of hay on his track and then a link to a track in indiana that has buildings buried under the track. It looks like a cool track! Motoland In Kingsbury, IN. It was posted back in 2014. Using the straw in jumps that will only be used for a few days is no big deal. not enough time to rot. and they might use the containers to store the other stuff they use around the track year round. so they double as storage. It looks like its been done that way for a longtime. When road work is done and a trench is left open overnight , a road plate that is just an inch of steel is all that is holding up to whatever is allowed to be on the road. I think that if you look for photos of some of the older tracks built inside of stadiums You'll see that they have been using similar setups for many years now and some of the earlier stuff will blow your minds if these look sketchy !
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cz2crf2wc 11/9/2022 11:05am
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lappedrider wrote:
Hay is expensive. Not sure this is a good cost saving option.
LungButter wrote:
That's kinda what I was thinking.
SteveUrchin wrote:
Probably not Hay most likely bales of straw.
They could be using straw bales that that have gone bad with mold ect. Farmers would give them away.
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Daniel816 11/9/2022 11:15am
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Some of you have never used a cinderblock and 2 X 6 for a jump before and it shows....
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ga_pike 11/9/2022 11:31am
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The hay is fine IMO. I've had hay bales stacked on a trailer under a shelter for 3 years and they are still just fine. I'd actually prefer hay as opposed to concrete pipe or similar as the hay could give way if ruts go through.
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scrubbin 11/9/2022 12:09pm
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Looks like a good group of riders: List from Gatedrop.com:
Paris Supercross takes place on the 12th and 13th of November and so far have a nice entry list for the event.

SX1 CATEGORY

#2 Cooper WEBB (USA – KTM Red Bull Factory)
#3 Eli TOMAC (USA – Yamaha Star Racing Monster Energy)
#6 Thomas RAMETTE (F – Yamaha GSM Dafy Michelin)
#10 Justin BRAYTON (USA – Honda Genuine)
#20 Grégory ARANDA (F – KTM Tech 32)
#21 Julien ROUSSALY (F – Yamaha)
#25 Marvin MUSQUIN (F – KTM Red Bull Factory)
#57 Kevin MORANZ (USA – KTM VHR)
#85 Cédric SOUBEYRAS (F – MM85 CBO Honda)
#87 Alex RAY (USA – Honda FR 25 Suttel)
#94 Ken ROCZEN (GER-Honda Genuine)
#137 Adrien ESCOFFIER (F – Husqvarna CRC)
#141 Maxime DESPREY (F – Yamaha GSM Dafy Michelin)
#747 Hugo BASAULA (Port – KTM)
#848 Joan CROS (SP – Seakings Kawasaki Euromoto85)
#945 Anthony BOURDON (F – Yamaha GSM Dafy Michelin)

CATEGORY SX2

#14 Arnaud AUBIN (F – Husqvarna OB1 Milwaukee)
#22 Mickaël LAMARQUE (F – Honda)
#72 Lucas IMBERT (F – Yamaha)
#170 Yannis IRSUTI (F – Kawasaki)
#221 Kevin BALLANGER (F – Yamaha)
#259 Julien LEBEAU (F – KTM)
#324 Maxime CHARLIER (F – KTM Tech 32)
#411 Nicolas DERCOURT (F-Gas-Gas CLT)
#773 Thomas DO (F – Honda SR Motoblouz Ship to Cycle)
#831 Brice MAYLIN (F – 737 Performance Gas-Gas Oxmoto)
#965 Hugo MANZATO (F – Husqvarna)

WILD CARDS SX2

#12 Justin STARLING (USA – 737 Performance Gas-Gas Oxmoto)
#66 Chris BLOSE (USA – Bud Racing 9mm Kawasaki)
#67 Cullin PARK (USA – Honda SR Motoblouz Ship to Cycle)
#102 Matt MOSS (AUS – Bud Racing 9mm Kawasaki)
#319 Quentin PRUGNIERES (F – Bud Racing 9mm Kawasaki)
#335 Enzo POLIAS (F – Husqvarna OB1 Milwaukee)
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early 11/9/2022 1:46pm
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I wouldn't mind seeing haybales replace a few tuff blocks at SX races
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RyanD797 11/9/2022 1:55pm
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No Vince Friese, bummer.
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germansxguy 11/9/2022 3:01pm
11/9/2022 3:01pm
First of all this is how they build it since years! Also a lot of the FMX indoor landings are build like this because it safes a lot of money plus a lot of stadiums are having underground parking so it can only take a certain weight and dirt is a lot heavier.
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WhatsStoppingU 11/9/2022 3:03pm
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LungButter wrote:
That's kinda what I was thinking.
SteveUrchin wrote:
Probably not Hay most likely bales of straw.
cz2crf2wc wrote:
They could be using straw bales that that have gone bad with mold ect. Farmers would give them away.
Moldgate
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MXMattii 11/9/2022 3:25pm
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They are using this set-up all from back in the day in Bercy.
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MX304 11/9/2022 3:53pm
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Not sure about the hay, but that container setup will be plenty solid.
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pkiczuk 11/10/2022 9:11am
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Reminds me of a time when i was a teenager, my buddies and I built a "bmx" ramp out of cinder blocks and a plywood board and seeing who could jump the farthest.

My buddy went before me and the plywood snapped as he went over it, but it just shaved 6" or so off the bottom. He repositioned it, I ask if its good, and he gives me the thumbs up. I pedal as fast i can, hit it, the plywood snaps in half and over the bars I go.

Ripped my top lip from my nose all they way down to where I had to pieces of a top lip. Broke my nose and tore whatever that flap of skin that holds the lip to the gums is. Had to have a plastic surgeon called to the ER to fix it. Still have the scar 20 some odd years later.

So this seems legit.
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C.Worthy 11/10/2022 9:40am
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toroP wrote:
I want to see their math on the shipping containers perched on wooden pallets. What do you think, engineers or a couple dudes living at their...
I want to see their math on the shipping containers perched on wooden pallets. What do you think, engineers or a couple dudes living at their parents farm?
A simple 2 member x 2 member crib box rating is pretty high.

4x4 crib box is rated at 24,000 pounds. 6,000 pounds per contact point
A 6x6 used is rated at 60,000 pounds. 15,000 pounds per contact point.

I’ve never used pallets for cribbing but I’m sure they know what they’re doing and have safety factors rated in their weight distribution. That’s no FEMA task force cribbing but I’m sure it gets the job done just fine. Lift an inch, crib an inch!
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inthebadboycorner 11/10/2022 9:46am
11/10/2022 9:46am
France is not third world, im sure OHS and insurance would insure the integrity of that jump.
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Snapper 11/10/2022 10:48am
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scrubbin wrote:
Looks like a good group of riders: List from Gatedrop.com: Paris Supercross takes place on the 12th and 13th of November and so far have a...
Looks like a good group of riders: List from Gatedrop.com:
Paris Supercross takes place on the 12th and 13th of November and so far have a nice entry list for the event.

SX1 CATEGORY

#2 Cooper WEBB (USA – KTM Red Bull Factory)
#3 Eli TOMAC (USA – Yamaha Star Racing Monster Energy)
#6 Thomas RAMETTE (F – Yamaha GSM Dafy Michelin)
#10 Justin BRAYTON (USA – Honda Genuine)
#20 Grégory ARANDA (F – KTM Tech 32)
#21 Julien ROUSSALY (F – Yamaha)
#25 Marvin MUSQUIN (F – KTM Red Bull Factory)
#57 Kevin MORANZ (USA – KTM VHR)
#85 Cédric SOUBEYRAS (F – MM85 CBO Honda)
#87 Alex RAY (USA – Honda FR 25 Suttel)
#94 Ken ROCZEN (GER-Honda Genuine)
#137 Adrien ESCOFFIER (F – Husqvarna CRC)
#141 Maxime DESPREY (F – Yamaha GSM Dafy Michelin)
#747 Hugo BASAULA (Port – KTM)
#848 Joan CROS (SP – Seakings Kawasaki Euromoto85)
#945 Anthony BOURDON (F – Yamaha GSM Dafy Michelin)

CATEGORY SX2

#14 Arnaud AUBIN (F – Husqvarna OB1 Milwaukee)
#22 Mickaël LAMARQUE (F – Honda)
#72 Lucas IMBERT (F – Yamaha)
#170 Yannis IRSUTI (F – Kawasaki)
#221 Kevin BALLANGER (F – Yamaha)
#259 Julien LEBEAU (F – KTM)
#324 Maxime CHARLIER (F – KTM Tech 32)
#411 Nicolas DERCOURT (F-Gas-Gas CLT)
#773 Thomas DO (F – Honda SR Motoblouz Ship to Cycle)
#831 Brice MAYLIN (F – 737 Performance Gas-Gas Oxmoto)
#965 Hugo MANZATO (F – Husqvarna)

WILD CARDS SX2

#12 Justin STARLING (USA – 737 Performance Gas-Gas Oxmoto)
#66 Chris BLOSE (USA – Bud Racing 9mm Kawasaki)
#67 Cullin PARK (USA – Honda SR Motoblouz Ship to Cycle)
#102 Matt MOSS (AUS – Bud Racing 9mm Kawasaki)
#319 Quentin PRUGNIERES (F – Bud Racing 9mm Kawasaki)
#335 Enzo POLIAS (F – Husqvarna OB1 Milwaukee)
When did the Lawrence's pull out? I missed that one.
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