Anyone have video of Barcia taking Ferrandis down?

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davis224 8/22/2022 3:34pm
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Ferrandis litterally teed up his own takeout. Him bumping Barcia pointed him directly at the exit of the next corner. It's like being angry that a shark bit you while you swam covered in chum.

Yea, Barcia could have hit the brakes and turned, yielding the position. But who here expects that to happen?
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quadzrulebro 8/22/2022 3:36pm
8/22/2022 3:36pm Edited Date/Time 8/22/2022 3:39pm
SmokinJoe439 wrote:
Did not re enter the track in a safe manner since he was off the course is the ruling they will give. Since he was behind...
Did not re enter the track in a safe manner since he was off the course is the ruling they will give. Since he was behind the yellow markers. Re entered then hit ferrandis.
If he was off the track, it was only momentarily because Dylan ran him off on the downhill. The whiny Frenchman got what was coming to him. He rolled the dice and lost and has no one to blame but himself.
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Black Diesel Bomber 8/22/2022 3:50pm
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FGR01 wrote:
Some of you have never been to Budds before, and it shows. For a little reference, here's the relative path of each rider, the point of...
Some of you have never been to Budds before, and it shows.

For a little reference, here's the relative path of each rider, the point of the bump off the track and the point of collision.

You can't really ascertain from that video 1) the angle of Barcia's line relative to the direction of the track and 2) How wide the track is there and that he likely could have grabbed the brakes and carved left in the direction of the track instead of going straight, all the way to the outside of the corner to intercept Ferrandis.


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That’s not quite the path barcia took. If he had went through the grass he would have taken out the banners, he barely even went off...
That’s not quite the path barcia took. If he had went through the grass he would have taken out the banners, he barely even went off track
Agreed. Here's a proper replay:


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Servin em up hot.....

Get in line folks.

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Here are some stills from Barcias video. This first picture shows the contact, with Ferrandis essentially perpendicular to Barcia.


This second image is the frame before, Barcias bars are turned all the way to the left and his camera is still pointed off the track to the right, so you can infer that his actual bike is even more perpendicular to Ferrandis and the track.



Also, Barcia pins it a few frames before this to ram Dylan as hard as he can. It could have been avoided 100%.
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MillsHondaRider 8/22/2022 4:57pm
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FGR01 wrote:
Some of you have never been to Budds before, and it shows. For a little reference, here's the relative path of each rider, the point of...
Some of you have never been to Budds before, and it shows.

For a little reference, here's the relative path of each rider, the point of the bump off the track and the point of collision.

You can't really ascertain from that video 1) the angle of Barcia's line relative to the direction of the track and 2) How wide the track is there and that he likely could have grabbed the brakes and carved left in the direction of the track instead of going straight, all the way to the outside of the corner to intercept Ferrandis.


Its great you had the telemetry data from both riders. When I downloaded their telemetry data, I had the first collision later, the off track incursion much tighter to the inside of the track and following the contact, Justin never more than 90 degrees from the exit of the turn. So not as egregious as your drawling. Also, he only revs it in the air (prior to the second contact). It was still useful to visualize.

Did JB cut the track? Yes but probably because he was bumped or at least pinched. Did he gain an advantage while off the track? Yes he did. Did he accelerate while off the track? No (the rev was while he was in the air). Could he have checked up, avoided contact and given up the position? Yes. Would that have been the fast line, No. Should he have checked up, avoided contact and given up the position? According to the rules, yes (can not gain an advantage off the track), but would you have or would you have gone for the berm?

You can also see in the GoPro that for the second contact, Dylan is slightly ahead. So Dylan's statement is completely true, even though the severity of the incident seems exaggerated. No where can we see the severity of the impact of the second contact or anything to gauge the intent of Barcia's line (other than reputation).

Really, doesn't someone have cell phone footage so I can figure out which side to bring my pitchfork?

Doesn't seem DQ worthy.

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Richy wrote:
I like seeing folks race hard, and rubbing's racing, taking a line away or a *good* block pass is fine by me, but it's funny how...
I like seeing folks race hard, and rubbing's racing, taking a line away or a *good* block pass is fine by me, but it's funny how if you don't like seeing straight up dirty racing from someone who can't keep up without making dick moves like cutting the track and/or T-Boning people, then there's always some clowns here to tell you "you're soft".

I liked watching Barcia outdoors last year, this year this is the only noteworthy thing he's done and it's not even good. Just like with Mookie in the past supercross season. It should be pretty embarrassing.
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[i]" then there's always some clowns here to tell you "you're soft"[/i] Those are the same clowns you see crying at a local race after they...
" then there's always some clowns here to tell you "you're soft"
Those are the same clowns you see crying at a local race after they get break-checked in practice.
They are only hard when it isn't them being taken out and hitting the ground. Laughing
Ah, yes, “Practice Pros”…

In the “gentlemen classes”, it’s amazing how they can bitch about practice sessions & the track SOOOO MUCH Laughing
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Jeremy Macduff 8/22/2022 5:26pm
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Ferrandis can sure be a whiny cunt when things don't go his way.

That was very clearly a racing incident.
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Iridereallyslow 8/22/2022 5:37pm
8/22/2022 5:37pm Edited Date/Time 8/22/2022 5:38pm
I thought I was going to come in here with my digital pitchfork aimed at Barcia, but this is the biggest let down. Dylan looses credibility for crying in my book
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USA wrote:
Here are some stills from Barcias video. This first picture shows the contact, with Ferrandis essentially perpendicular to Barcia. [img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2022/08/22/565115/s1200_Screenshot_20220822_175230_Gallery.jpg[/img] This second image is the frame...
Here are some stills from Barcias video. This first picture shows the contact, with Ferrandis essentially perpendicular to Barcia.


This second image is the frame before, Barcias bars are turned all the way to the left and his camera is still pointed off the track to the right, so you can infer that his actual bike is even more perpendicular to Ferrandis and the track.



Also, Barcia pins it a few frames before this to ram Dylan as hard as he can. It could have been avoided 100%.
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yak651 8/22/2022 5:58pm
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LoudLove wrote:
Has the party (AMA? MX Sports?) released a statement? Also, how many DQs have been issued over the past 10 years? I’m also curious if Barcia’s...
Has the party (AMA? MX Sports?) released a statement? Also, how many DQs have been issued over the past 10 years? I’m also curious if Barcia’s GoPro was reviewed by the organization issuing the DQ.
This right here. Also where is the PR about all the point penalties at Unadilla. Also any PR about the LL incident? Seems the MXSports PR person must be on summer break
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Not-a-Fan 8/22/2022 5:58pm
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FGR01 wrote:
Some of you have never been to Budds before, and it shows. For a little reference, here's the relative path of each rider, the point of...
Some of you have never been to Budds before, and it shows.

For a little reference, here's the relative path of each rider, the point of the bump off the track and the point of collision.

You can't really ascertain from that video 1) the angle of Barcia's line relative to the direction of the track and 2) How wide the track is there and that he likely could have grabbed the brakes and carved left in the direction of the track instead of going straight, all the way to the outside of the corner to intercept Ferrandis.


Dirt.Squirt wrote:
That’s not quite the path barcia took. If he had went through the grass he would have taken out the banners, he barely even went off...
That’s not quite the path barcia took. If he had went through the grass he would have taken out the banners, he barely even went off track
Black Diesel Bomber wrote:
Agreed. Here's a proper replay: [img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2022/08/22/565113/s1200_Bam_Bam.jpg[/img]
Agreed. Here's a proper replay:


NGL, that's a pretty good edit 😆
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TbonesPop 8/22/2022 6:27pm
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Just like in any other professional sport, if an athlete earns a reputation for being dirty, aggressive, cheap shots, et al they are going to get treated differently than other athletes that don't have that same reputation. There's a degree of subjectivity in officiating in our sport just like other sports. You make your bed, you lay in it.

Bottom line is, AMA DQ'd him. End of discussion.
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If he was DQ'd for his reputation, so be it I guess. I can't say he hasn't brought it on himself........ But for the life of me I can't see how anyone who has ever raced a motorcycle thinks that JB had any desire to even be in that line. These guys aren't putting around like a local C rider, he got ran off the track and his momentum put him there
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Leave Us To 8/22/2022 7:32pm
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Jeremy Macduff wrote:
Ferrandis can sure be a whiny cunt when things don't go his way.

That was very clearly a racing incident.
Bam Bam went off the course as he went to the left of the barrier. Bam Bam could have slowed down after going off course. Bam Bam being the punk he is, makes excuses instead of owning up to it. No surprise here.
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Ferrandis has been irreverent for 6+ months and star runs this pathetic sport
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The GoPro is mounted behind the number plate so the angle is not true to the angle of contact with Ferrandis. It appears that Barcia is side beside with Ferrandis when the contact is made but we can not see where the rear wheel is. With the camera mounted on the forks as soon as you turn the bars the camera angle changes which is not necessarily the direction the bike is traveling. I am sure that the AMA saw the in ident and it was obviously a take out after leaving the track. Ferrandis is no angel but Barcia is a complete ass*ole when he flips that switch from Bamb Bamb to Dumb Dumb! I am convinced that the AMA got this right as we all know that they let Barcia get away with a ton of crap with a slap on the wrist.
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I'm going to retract what I said about Barcia for this particular incident. Before I saw the footage, I envisioned him actually cutting the track to go ram Ferrandis. Instead, it looks like he was pushed or crossed accidentally 6 inches off the track, and his momentum carried him to a spot where he collided with DF. Could he have been nicer and just handed Ferrandis the position? Sure. But that doesn't look like a takeout to me.

Check out this guy's analysis; it's pretty spot-on: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wy5rsyElAoU
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Barcia took out Cairoli and even worse Cairoli got hurt but didnt say it like DF did. Now he has to sit out until MXoN.
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BigMunster 8/22/2022 11:40pm
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FGR01 wrote:
Some of you have never been to Budds before, and it shows. For a little reference, here's the relative path of each rider, the point of...
Some of you have never been to Budds before, and it shows.

For a little reference, here's the relative path of each rider, the point of the bump off the track and the point of collision.

You can't really ascertain from that video 1) the angle of Barcia's line relative to the direction of the track and 2) How wide the track is there and that he likely could have grabbed the brakes and carved left in the direction of the track instead of going straight, all the way to the outside of the corner to intercept Ferrandis.


Dirt.Squirt wrote:
That’s not quite the path barcia took. If he had went through the grass he would have taken out the banners, he barely even went off...
That’s not quite the path barcia took. If he had went through the grass he would have taken out the banners, he barely even went off track
Black Diesel Bomber wrote:
Agreed. Here's a proper replay: [img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2022/08/22/565113/s1200_Bam_Bam.jpg[/img]
Agreed. Here's a proper replay:


I gave you a vote for somehow involving Iron Mike.
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Mit12 wrote:
The GoPro is mounted behind the number plate so the angle is not true to the angle of contact with Ferrandis. It appears that Barcia is...
The GoPro is mounted behind the number plate so the angle is not true to the angle of contact with Ferrandis. It appears that Barcia is side beside with Ferrandis when the contact is made but we can not see where the rear wheel is. With the camera mounted on the forks as soon as you turn the bars the camera angle changes which is not necessarily the direction the bike is traveling. I am sure that the AMA saw the in ident and it was obviously a take out after leaving the track. Ferrandis is no angel but Barcia is a complete ass*ole when he flips that switch from Bamb Bamb to Dumb Dumb! I am convinced that the AMA got this right as we all know that they let Barcia get away with a ton of crap with a slap on the wrist.
The video could show Barcia doing everything right and Ferrandis taking himself out, and you'd still say it was Barcia's fault, so you may want to sit this one out.
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Mit12 8/23/2022 12:34am
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Mit12 wrote:
The GoPro is mounted behind the number plate so the angle is not true to the angle of contact with Ferrandis. It appears that Barcia is...
The GoPro is mounted behind the number plate so the angle is not true to the angle of contact with Ferrandis. It appears that Barcia is side beside with Ferrandis when the contact is made but we can not see where the rear wheel is. With the camera mounted on the forks as soon as you turn the bars the camera angle changes which is not necessarily the direction the bike is traveling. I am sure that the AMA saw the in ident and it was obviously a take out after leaving the track. Ferrandis is no angel but Barcia is a complete ass*ole when he flips that switch from Bamb Bamb to Dumb Dumb! I am convinced that the AMA got this right as we all know that they let Barcia get away with a ton of crap with a slap on the wrist.
Sully wrote:
The video could show Barcia doing everything right and Ferrandis taking himself out, and you'd still say it was Barcia's fault, so you may want to...
The video could show Barcia doing everything right and Ferrandis taking himself out, and you'd still say it was Barcia's fault, so you may want to sit this one out.
I do not like either rider, I just call as I see it.
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I'd like everyone to remember when reading these types of threads where judgements are passed on little evidence, lots of feelings and opinions change multiple times at the drop of a hat.....that everyone here eventually ends up in some poor bastards 12 person jury to decide said bastards guilt/innocence in real life. I used to think the jury filtering process was a joke, a set up, but now I realize there's good reason for it, some of you guys are supremely biased and that thinking doesn't just change when its time to decide if someone gets to go free or go to prison.

"Well he didn't do it this time, but fuck him anyways!" Like the cop that feels planting evidence on a man is ok because the end result is "justified" in their eyes...God help us all, but more importantly I hope the jury interviewer does a good job filtering kooks on my theoretical future case lol.
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This whole thread is hilarious.
If you ever had to describe the vital forum to anyone, easiest way would be; here read this.
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Barcia went off the track to avoid being knocked off the track. Ferrandis seemed to be making sure that he exited.
It was aggressive, but not dirty.
When Barcia re-entered the track, you can see him turn slightly to the left, maybe 15°. To me that shows intention to keep moving forward. If he was intending to t-bone, he would've went straight.

Since this was downhill, and there was a slight (maybe 8-10" tall bank), when Barcia re-entered the track, he jumped off the bank and onto the track carrying momentum.
When his wheels landed, he turned, and continued to race.
The hit may have been intentional, but it wasn't a t-bone, and my take is that it was more of making the turn and not giving a crap if he hit Ferrandis if he was in his way, especially since Ferrandis had just forced him off the track.

I don't see this as reason to disqualify him. This was incredibly mild compared to what we've seen from both of these riders.
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Zycki11 8/23/2022 8:19am
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Here yee here yee. Consensus is racing incident and Barcias DQ unjustified other than due to previous “altercations” with other bikes
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Deadric 8/23/2022 8:25am
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Right or wrong Barcia is gonna Barcia and every rider out there should know that by now. Ferrandis knowingly played with fire and got burned to the surprise of no one.
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