Brennan Schofield interview about his Deegan bike claim!

USA wrote:

So you don't have proof and just want to cast doubt. Instead of waiting for a "few more hours for other details to emerge", how about...

So you don't have proof and just want to cast doubt. Instead of waiting for a "few more hours for other details to emerge", how about you quote the exact statement in question here? Because you seem to infer Brennan said something he didn't.

Quote what he said that is in question and the time stamp in the video.

Sore Loser wrote:

I did in the first post of the thread I started. Time stamp and all.

caviar&cigarettes338 wrote:

How did Brian Deegan threaten a bunch of people out of jobs? Donny from yamaha might of as the kid said it was him that called...

How did Brian Deegan threaten a bunch of people out of jobs? Donny from yamaha might of as the kid said it was him that called his yamaha dealer . I don’t think Brian threaten anyone out of a job the kid never said he did

USA wrote:

In the thread titled "13+ pages..."? Because I just read your first post and you did not do either. Please post the exact quote in question...

In the thread titled "13+ pages..."? Because I just read your first post and you did not do either.

Please post the exact quote in question and the time stamp, for real this time.

USA wrote:

In the thread titled "13+ pages..."? Because I just read your first post and you did not do either. Please post the exact quote in question...

In the thread titled "13+ pages..."? Because I just read your first post and you did not do either.

Please post the exact quote in question and the time stamp, for real this time.

Sore Loser wrote:

I did. In the post you glossed over. Seriously, it's right there. Yet you claim it isnt. If you can miss something this objective, how sure...

I did. In the post you glossed over.

Seriously, it's right there. Yet you claim it isnt. If you can miss something this objective, how sure are you that you got a solid handle on the LL fiasco that you werent even a part of?

And no I wont spoonfeed you what you want. I'd much rather let you highlight the fact that you struggle with objectivity.

USA wrote:

In the thread titled "13+ pages..."? Because I just read your first post and you did not do either. Please post the exact quote in question...

In the thread titled "13+ pages..."? Because I just read your first post and you did not do either.

Please post the exact quote in question and the time stamp, for real this time.

Sore Loser wrote:

I did. In the post you glossed over. Seriously, it's right there. Yet you claim it isnt. If you can miss something this objective, how sure...

I did. In the post you glossed over.

Seriously, it's right there. Yet you claim it isnt. If you can miss something this objective, how sure are you that you got a solid handle on the LL fiasco that you werent even a part of?

And no I wont spoonfeed you what you want. I'd much rather let you highlight the fact that you struggle with objectivity.

USA wrote:

Here is your entire post, nowhere in here do you state the exact quote or timestamp of when you are claiming Brennan lied about where he...

Here is your entire post, nowhere in here do you state the exact quote or timestamp of when you are claiming Brennan lied about where he got the money. You mention that you heard he got money from an engine builder from an unknown party. You also have 1 time stamp, you said "He clearly states in the interview at around the 17:30 mark what he assumes was the food chain of events.". What part of his statement do you find as being a lie?

Since the other thread is basically a "shit all over Yamaha and the Deegans" love fest, I figured a new thread might be warranted for the 2 or 3 of us that arent looking for an excuse to be pissed off or shit on the Deegans. Maybe a pause for some critical thinking and basic questions before drawing any conclusions.

How do we know Brennan is telling the truth?


I'll give him this, he's articulate, and his way of telling his account of what went down comes across as extremely credible. It's how I'd expect someone to tell the truth IF they were telling the truth.

But we havent heard the other side's version of events. And most importantly, Brennan never says how he knew Yamaha Corp was pressuring his sponsor. He clearly states in the interview at around the 17:30 mark what he assumes was the food chain of events. But he never specifically says how he knows this. And the interviewer (Tyler) never asks for clarification.

That to me is a significant moment in the interview. Because if the kid is just ASSUMING his dealership was being pressured, that is a big red flag and it calls into question the rest of his account of the events.

Another thing I find odd, he plays the innocent victim here very well. Never mentions for a moment that he and Haiden have personal beef with each other. He "just wanted to see what it was like to ride a factory bike". Really? That's ALL there is to this story? Now dont get me wrong, Brennan does not have to justify the why. The claim of the bike was within the rules - and the rule is a good one. The bottom line, dont want your unobtanium bike claimed, DONT BRING ONE TO AN AMATEUR RACE. But before I wholesale believe EVERY detail of your story, I want to know all the details. And a significant one is that these two groups have history. This was more than just "wanting to see what a factory bike felt like". Is that relevant to the claiming rule? No, not at all. But it is relevant to the credibility of this Brennan kid. So before I jump on his bandwagon and take everything as gospel, I pause and wonder why certain details are being left out.

If the Deegans are the new Alessis, lets not forget that the Alessis drama didnt exist in a vacuum. He had his rivals and those rivals werent saints either. Other equally overzealous mini dads. And plenty of ankle biting that fueled all the bullshit that went on between all parties involved.

I think it's only fair these questions are asked. Because when I talk to people "in the know" they're telling a very different version of all of this. For example:

- The engine builder fronted the cash for the claim
- Tim Cotter only interviewed Brennan AFTER the claim was rescinded and did so to make sure he wasnt being pressured by Yamaha
- I've heard some say that Brian Deegan never actually cornered the kid

Are any of those statements factual? Of course not. All Im saying is that if you can get past the mob mentality, there's actually another version of the story floating around that severely contradicts what a 17 year old kid is claiming.

I for one think that if indeed that kid was talked to privately by Cotter, Deegan, or anyone NOT the AMA, a SERIOUS line was crossed because again, he's a kid. But to be consistent, I also know that KIDS LIE all the time. So if you're not an adult, you dont get the benefit of the doubt like an adult either.

Now that it's here, please point out where you have quoted Brennan's statement that you believe is false and the time stamp from when he said it.

Overcusser wrote:

17k in 5 months wrenching on bikes is the most obvious lie i think ive ever hear lol

Dirty Points wrote:

Well, I mean, if we are getting specific, here: it is not as obvious of a lie as claiming the kid [u]said[/u] he made $17K wrenching...

Well, I mean, if we are getting specific, here: it is not as obvious of a lie as claiming the kid said he made $17K wrenching on bikes in 5 months. That's a pretty obvious lie, considering we have the video at top of thread.

He provided no specific discussion of the amount he saved or over how long, other than that he had some savings, did continue to work and save, and that it is his money.

ninety3 wrote:

So $42k a year as a mechanic is a lie, Or is that just the typical wage in his area ?

slowgti wrote:

I don’t know why you guys are still arguing with this guy.

CarlinoJoeVideo wrote:

Wow Weege really vents in this video! Maybe the most real and negative I’ve ever heard him! This whole thread is great BTW :silly:

Wow Weege really vents in this video! Maybe the most real and negative I’ve ever heard him!

This whole thread is great BTW

USA wrote:

Here is your entire post, nowhere in here do you state the exact quote or timestamp of when you are claiming Brennan lied about where he...

Here is your entire post, nowhere in here do you state the exact quote or timestamp of when you are claiming Brennan lied about where he got the money. You mention that you heard he got money from an engine builder from an unknown party. You also have 1 time stamp, you said "He clearly states in the interview at around the 17:30 mark what he assumes was the food chain of events.". What part of his statement do you find as being a lie?

Since the other thread is basically a "shit all over Yamaha and the Deegans" love fest, I figured a new thread might be warranted for the 2 or 3 of us that arent looking for an excuse to be pissed off or shit on the Deegans. Maybe a pause for some critical thinking and basic questions before drawing any conclusions.

How do we know Brennan is telling the truth?


I'll give him this, he's articulate, and his way of telling his account of what went down comes across as extremely credible. It's how I'd expect someone to tell the truth IF they were telling the truth.

But we havent heard the other side's version of events. And most importantly, Brennan never says how he knew Yamaha Corp was pressuring his sponsor. He clearly states in the interview at around the 17:30 mark what he assumes was the food chain of events. But he never specifically says how he knows this. And the interviewer (Tyler) never asks for clarification.

That to me is a significant moment in the interview. Because if the kid is just ASSUMING his dealership was being pressured, that is a big red flag and it calls into question the rest of his account of the events.

Another thing I find odd, he plays the innocent victim here very well. Never mentions for a moment that he and Haiden have personal beef with each other. He "just wanted to see what it was like to ride a factory bike". Really? That's ALL there is to this story? Now dont get me wrong, Brennan does not have to justify the why. The claim of the bike was within the rules - and the rule is a good one. The bottom line, dont want your unobtanium bike claimed, DONT BRING ONE TO AN AMATEUR RACE. But before I wholesale believe EVERY detail of your story, I want to know all the details. And a significant one is that these two groups have history. This was more than just "wanting to see what a factory bike felt like". Is that relevant to the claiming rule? No, not at all. But it is relevant to the credibility of this Brennan kid. So before I jump on his bandwagon and take everything as gospel, I pause and wonder why certain details are being left out.

If the Deegans are the new Alessis, lets not forget that the Alessis drama didnt exist in a vacuum. He had his rivals and those rivals werent saints either. Other equally overzealous mini dads. And plenty of ankle biting that fueled all the bullshit that went on between all parties involved.

I think it's only fair these questions are asked. Because when I talk to people "in the know" they're telling a very different version of all of this. For example:

- The engine builder fronted the cash for the claim
- Tim Cotter only interviewed Brennan AFTER the claim was rescinded and did so to make sure he wasnt being pressured by Yamaha
- I've heard some say that Brian Deegan never actually cornered the kid

Are any of those statements factual? Of course not. All Im saying is that if you can get past the mob mentality, there's actually another version of the story floating around that severely contradicts what a 17 year old kid is claiming.

I for one think that if indeed that kid was talked to privately by Cotter, Deegan, or anyone NOT the AMA, a SERIOUS line was crossed because again, he's a kid. But to be consistent, I also know that KIDS LIE all the time. So if you're not an adult, you dont get the benefit of the doubt like an adult either.

Now that it's here, please point out where you have quoted Brennan's statement that you believe is false and the time stamp from when he said it.

Sore Loser wrote:

Ok, I think I misunderstood your initial question. Because my initial "wtf" moment came when listening to Brennen's interview and when it came to the Yamaha...

Ok, I think I misunderstood your initial question. Because my initial "wtf" moment came when listening to Brennen's interview and when it came to the Yamaha involvement, he switched from giving very solid first hand details to what sounded like pure conjecture. So I started the thread to see if I missed something - including the time stamp of the major issues I was questioning.

I did not misunderstand him tho. Multiple people in these threads have agreed that the situation involving Yamaha is where it appears a lot of assumptions are being made and passed off as fact. I never accused him of lying regarding Yamaha's involvement. I have specifically asked how did he come to this conclusion? Did he actually read Matt Walker's text exchange with the dealership? etc etc etc.

This is the core moment in the whole debacle to me at this point.

And again, I've never called Brennan a liar. I specifically asked why his word was gospel and the contradictory version of the story is automatically false? Why were we putting so much faith in one party and not waiting for the response from the opposition?

Brennan is adamant that he saved up the money himself and that his engine builder was not involved. A lot of other people are saying otherwise. As of now Im not believing either side in that matter until more info comes out. It's he said/she said. But if the accuser is lying there, then I gotta question his other details.

As for a lot of other details, I know a heck of a lot more today than I did yesterday between the Weege commentary & DC's piece. I have not listened to Deegans response video yet. Oddly, nobody has posted it here yet - but someone did give a bit of the synopsis, which is that Deegan didnt know what the rule was (of which I have said I dont believe for a second), so right there Brian's credibility takes a hit.

I dont believe Brian's full account.
I dont believe Brennan's full acount.
Star admits they were running a bike outside the spirit of the rules.
I believe Weege's account.
Im not sure Cotter is the POS he's been labeled - it's still possible he was just put in a tough situation and tried his best.

Im indifferent towards DC's account but I find it interesting that it appears Brian was within his rights to be involved in the custody meeting. Which would take a lot of heat of Brian in this case, especially if Brennan's dad willfully chose not to be in that meeting and threw his kid to the wolves.

And Im still wondering wtf really went on with Yamaha Donnie, Walker, and I think this situation plays out very differently if Brennan's dad gets heavily involved but the same can be said about the AMA's lack of a role in all this.

If I had to guess as of this moment, gun to my head? I think there is a strong possibility the dealership was pressured. I also think it's possible someone did it without Yamaha's authority to do so.

There's still several turns this thing can take that either makes the situation much worse or much more tame than it was. Forgive me if Im not running wild with the version of a kid that has beef with Haiden. Especially when the key moments are still conjecture on his part and totally not confirmed in others.

USA wrote:

Here is your entire post, nowhere in here do you state the exact quote or timestamp of when you are claiming Brennan lied about where he...

Here is your entire post, nowhere in here do you state the exact quote or timestamp of when you are claiming Brennan lied about where he got the money. You mention that you heard he got money from an engine builder from an unknown party. You also have 1 time stamp, you said "He clearly states in the interview at around the 17:30 mark what he assumes was the food chain of events.". What part of his statement do you find as being a lie?

Since the other thread is basically a "shit all over Yamaha and the Deegans" love fest, I figured a new thread might be warranted for the 2 or 3 of us that arent looking for an excuse to be pissed off or shit on the Deegans. Maybe a pause for some critical thinking and basic questions before drawing any conclusions.

How do we know Brennan is telling the truth?


I'll give him this, he's articulate, and his way of telling his account of what went down comes across as extremely credible. It's how I'd expect someone to tell the truth IF they were telling the truth.

But we havent heard the other side's version of events. And most importantly, Brennan never says how he knew Yamaha Corp was pressuring his sponsor. He clearly states in the interview at around the 17:30 mark what he assumes was the food chain of events. But he never specifically says how he knows this. And the interviewer (Tyler) never asks for clarification.

That to me is a significant moment in the interview. Because if the kid is just ASSUMING his dealership was being pressured, that is a big red flag and it calls into question the rest of his account of the events.

Another thing I find odd, he plays the innocent victim here very well. Never mentions for a moment that he and Haiden have personal beef with each other. He "just wanted to see what it was like to ride a factory bike". Really? That's ALL there is to this story? Now dont get me wrong, Brennan does not have to justify the why. The claim of the bike was within the rules - and the rule is a good one. The bottom line, dont want your unobtanium bike claimed, DONT BRING ONE TO AN AMATEUR RACE. But before I wholesale believe EVERY detail of your story, I want to know all the details. And a significant one is that these two groups have history. This was more than just "wanting to see what a factory bike felt like". Is that relevant to the claiming rule? No, not at all. But it is relevant to the credibility of this Brennan kid. So before I jump on his bandwagon and take everything as gospel, I pause and wonder why certain details are being left out.

If the Deegans are the new Alessis, lets not forget that the Alessis drama didnt exist in a vacuum. He had his rivals and those rivals werent saints either. Other equally overzealous mini dads. And plenty of ankle biting that fueled all the bullshit that went on between all parties involved.

I think it's only fair these questions are asked. Because when I talk to people "in the know" they're telling a very different version of all of this. For example:

- The engine builder fronted the cash for the claim
- Tim Cotter only interviewed Brennan AFTER the claim was rescinded and did so to make sure he wasnt being pressured by Yamaha
- I've heard some say that Brian Deegan never actually cornered the kid

Are any of those statements factual? Of course not. All Im saying is that if you can get past the mob mentality, there's actually another version of the story floating around that severely contradicts what a 17 year old kid is claiming.

I for one think that if indeed that kid was talked to privately by Cotter, Deegan, or anyone NOT the AMA, a SERIOUS line was crossed because again, he's a kid. But to be consistent, I also know that KIDS LIE all the time. So if you're not an adult, you dont get the benefit of the doubt like an adult either.

Now that it's here, please point out where you have quoted Brennan's statement that you believe is false and the time stamp from when he said it.

Sore Loser wrote:

Ok, I think I misunderstood your initial question. Because my initial "wtf" moment came when listening to Brennen's interview and when it came to the Yamaha...

Ok, I think I misunderstood your initial question. Because my initial "wtf" moment came when listening to Brennen's interview and when it came to the Yamaha involvement, he switched from giving very solid first hand details to what sounded like pure conjecture. So I started the thread to see if I missed something - including the time stamp of the major issues I was questioning.

I did not misunderstand him tho. Multiple people in these threads have agreed that the situation involving Yamaha is where it appears a lot of assumptions are being made and passed off as fact. I never accused him of lying regarding Yamaha's involvement. I have specifically asked how did he come to this conclusion? Did he actually read Matt Walker's text exchange with the dealership? etc etc etc.

This is the core moment in the whole debacle to me at this point.

And again, I've never called Brennan a liar. I specifically asked why his word was gospel and the contradictory version of the story is automatically false? Why were we putting so much faith in one party and not waiting for the response from the opposition?

Brennan is adamant that he saved up the money himself and that his engine builder was not involved. A lot of other people are saying otherwise. As of now Im not believing either side in that matter until more info comes out. It's he said/she said. But if the accuser is lying there, then I gotta question his other details.

As for a lot of other details, I know a heck of a lot more today than I did yesterday between the Weege commentary & DC's piece. I have not listened to Deegans response video yet. Oddly, nobody has posted it here yet - but someone did give a bit of the synopsis, which is that Deegan didnt know what the rule was (of which I have said I dont believe for a second), so right there Brian's credibility takes a hit.

I dont believe Brian's full account.
I dont believe Brennan's full acount.
Star admits they were running a bike outside the spirit of the rules.
I believe Weege's account.
Im not sure Cotter is the POS he's been labeled - it's still possible he was just put in a tough situation and tried his best.

Im indifferent towards DC's account but I find it interesting that it appears Brian was within his rights to be involved in the custody meeting. Which would take a lot of heat of Brian in this case, especially if Brennan's dad willfully chose not to be in that meeting and threw his kid to the wolves.

And Im still wondering wtf really went on with Yamaha Donnie, Walker, and I think this situation plays out very differently if Brennan's dad gets heavily involved but the same can be said about the AMA's lack of a role in all this.

If I had to guess as of this moment, gun to my head? I think there is a strong possibility the dealership was pressured. I also think it's possible someone did it without Yamaha's authority to do so.

There's still several turns this thing can take that either makes the situation much worse or much more tame than it was. Forgive me if Im not running wild with the version of a kid that has beef with Haiden. Especially when the key moments are still conjecture on his part and totally not confirmed in others.

Richy wrote:

We've probably heard enough from you on this one, maybe give it a rest?

gerg wrote:

I think we all need to spare a thought for poor old J Sloan...sitting at his keyboard right now, weeping and salivating at this news with...

I think we all need to spare a thought for poor old J Sloan...sitting at his keyboard right now, weeping and salivating at this news with his hands taped behind his back.

What a time to be in the sin bin.

defeatist45 wrote:

He got canned? Lol

Magoofan wrote:

My reaction when I saw this post. [IMG]https://cimg1.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.hdforums.com-vbulletin/320x300/80-75086cb0_3e7e_4fc8_898b_2b7fb0daacf3_gif_8c1b4898e60e917205a9ee43fbe92c2c_04aa76be844821898a68f7b31d7c1e16e92b244a.gif[/IMG]

My reaction when I saw this post.

dnf736 wrote:

ML, can you add a feature that if someone gets down voted so many times over a 24 hour period that said person gets an automatic...

ML, can you add a feature that if someone gets down voted so many times over a 24 hour period that said person gets an automatic 24 to 168 hour (or more) ban?

Asking for a friend.

USA wrote:

Here is your entire post, nowhere in here do you state the exact quote or timestamp of when you are claiming Brennan lied about where he...

Here is your entire post, nowhere in here do you state the exact quote or timestamp of when you are claiming Brennan lied about where he got the money. You mention that you heard he got money from an engine builder from an unknown party. You also have 1 time stamp, you said "He clearly states in the interview at around the 17:30 mark what he assumes was the food chain of events.". What part of his statement do you find as being a lie?

Since the other thread is basically a "shit all over Yamaha and the Deegans" love fest, I figured a new thread might be warranted for the 2 or 3 of us that arent looking for an excuse to be pissed off or shit on the Deegans. Maybe a pause for some critical thinking and basic questions before drawing any conclusions.

How do we know Brennan is telling the truth?


I'll give him this, he's articulate, and his way of telling his account of what went down comes across as extremely credible. It's how I'd expect someone to tell the truth IF they were telling the truth.

But we havent heard the other side's version of events. And most importantly, Brennan never says how he knew Yamaha Corp was pressuring his sponsor. He clearly states in the interview at around the 17:30 mark what he assumes was the food chain of events. But he never specifically says how he knows this. And the interviewer (Tyler) never asks for clarification.

That to me is a significant moment in the interview. Because if the kid is just ASSUMING his dealership was being pressured, that is a big red flag and it calls into question the rest of his account of the events.

Another thing I find odd, he plays the innocent victim here very well. Never mentions for a moment that he and Haiden have personal beef with each other. He "just wanted to see what it was like to ride a factory bike". Really? That's ALL there is to this story? Now dont get me wrong, Brennan does not have to justify the why. The claim of the bike was within the rules - and the rule is a good one. The bottom line, dont want your unobtanium bike claimed, DONT BRING ONE TO AN AMATEUR RACE. But before I wholesale believe EVERY detail of your story, I want to know all the details. And a significant one is that these two groups have history. This was more than just "wanting to see what a factory bike felt like". Is that relevant to the claiming rule? No, not at all. But it is relevant to the credibility of this Brennan kid. So before I jump on his bandwagon and take everything as gospel, I pause and wonder why certain details are being left out.

If the Deegans are the new Alessis, lets not forget that the Alessis drama didnt exist in a vacuum. He had his rivals and those rivals werent saints either. Other equally overzealous mini dads. And plenty of ankle biting that fueled all the bullshit that went on between all parties involved.

I think it's only fair these questions are asked. Because when I talk to people "in the know" they're telling a very different version of all of this. For example:

- The engine builder fronted the cash for the claim
- Tim Cotter only interviewed Brennan AFTER the claim was rescinded and did so to make sure he wasnt being pressured by Yamaha
- I've heard some say that Brian Deegan never actually cornered the kid

Are any of those statements factual? Of course not. All Im saying is that if you can get past the mob mentality, there's actually another version of the story floating around that severely contradicts what a 17 year old kid is claiming.

I for one think that if indeed that kid was talked to privately by Cotter, Deegan, or anyone NOT the AMA, a SERIOUS line was crossed because again, he's a kid. But to be consistent, I also know that KIDS LIE all the time. So if you're not an adult, you dont get the benefit of the doubt like an adult either.

Now that it's here, please point out where you have quoted Brennan's statement that you believe is false and the time stamp from when he said it.

Sore Loser wrote:

Ok, I think I misunderstood your initial question. Because my initial "wtf" moment came when listening to Brennen's interview and when it came to the Yamaha...

Ok, I think I misunderstood your initial question. Because my initial "wtf" moment came when listening to Brennen's interview and when it came to the Yamaha involvement, he switched from giving very solid first hand details to what sounded like pure conjecture. So I started the thread to see if I missed something - including the time stamp of the major issues I was questioning.

I did not misunderstand him tho. Multiple people in these threads have agreed that the situation involving Yamaha is where it appears a lot of assumptions are being made and passed off as fact. I never accused him of lying regarding Yamaha's involvement. I have specifically asked how did he come to this conclusion? Did he actually read Matt Walker's text exchange with the dealership? etc etc etc.

This is the core moment in the whole debacle to me at this point.

And again, I've never called Brennan a liar. I specifically asked why his word was gospel and the contradictory version of the story is automatically false? Why were we putting so much faith in one party and not waiting for the response from the opposition?

Brennan is adamant that he saved up the money himself and that his engine builder was not involved. A lot of other people are saying otherwise. As of now Im not believing either side in that matter until more info comes out. It's he said/she said. But if the accuser is lying there, then I gotta question his other details.

As for a lot of other details, I know a heck of a lot more today than I did yesterday between the Weege commentary & DC's piece. I have not listened to Deegans response video yet. Oddly, nobody has posted it here yet - but someone did give a bit of the synopsis, which is that Deegan didnt know what the rule was (of which I have said I dont believe for a second), so right there Brian's credibility takes a hit.

I dont believe Brian's full account.
I dont believe Brennan's full acount.
Star admits they were running a bike outside the spirit of the rules.
I believe Weege's account.
Im not sure Cotter is the POS he's been labeled - it's still possible he was just put in a tough situation and tried his best.

Im indifferent towards DC's account but I find it interesting that it appears Brian was within his rights to be involved in the custody meeting. Which would take a lot of heat of Brian in this case, especially if Brennan's dad willfully chose not to be in that meeting and threw his kid to the wolves.

And Im still wondering wtf really went on with Yamaha Donnie, Walker, and I think this situation plays out very differently if Brennan's dad gets heavily involved but the same can be said about the AMA's lack of a role in all this.

If I had to guess as of this moment, gun to my head? I think there is a strong possibility the dealership was pressured. I also think it's possible someone did it without Yamaha's authority to do so.

There's still several turns this thing can take that either makes the situation much worse or much more tame than it was. Forgive me if Im not running wild with the version of a kid that has beef with Haiden. Especially when the key moments are still conjecture on his part and totally not confirmed in others.

USA wrote:

I'll accept this as an insincere apology for your misguided comments about me earlier, even if talking to you akin to talking to a brick wall...

I'll accept this as an insincere apology for your misguided comments about me earlier, even if talking to you akin to talking to a brick wall.

It's OK to question a story, but the evidence you give about Brennan lying is not strong. Where in the interview did Brennan say that he saved all of the money himself? And if it comes to light that the engine builder was involved in giving Brennan money somehow, which statement are you going to point at as "Brennan lied right here"?

USA wrote:

Here is your entire post, nowhere in here do you state the exact quote or timestamp of when you are claiming Brennan lied about where he...

Here is your entire post, nowhere in here do you state the exact quote or timestamp of when you are claiming Brennan lied about where he got the money. You mention that you heard he got money from an engine builder from an unknown party. You also have 1 time stamp, you said "He clearly states in the interview at around the 17:30 mark what he assumes was the food chain of events.". What part of his statement do you find as being a lie?

Since the other thread is basically a "shit all over Yamaha and the Deegans" love fest, I figured a new thread might be warranted for the 2 or 3 of us that arent looking for an excuse to be pissed off or shit on the Deegans. Maybe a pause for some critical thinking and basic questions before drawing any conclusions.

How do we know Brennan is telling the truth?


I'll give him this, he's articulate, and his way of telling his account of what went down comes across as extremely credible. It's how I'd expect someone to tell the truth IF they were telling the truth.

But we havent heard the other side's version of events. And most importantly, Brennan never says how he knew Yamaha Corp was pressuring his sponsor. He clearly states in the interview at around the 17:30 mark what he assumes was the food chain of events. But he never specifically says how he knows this. And the interviewer (Tyler) never asks for clarification.

That to me is a significant moment in the interview. Because if the kid is just ASSUMING his dealership was being pressured, that is a big red flag and it calls into question the rest of his account of the events.

Another thing I find odd, he plays the innocent victim here very well. Never mentions for a moment that he and Haiden have personal beef with each other. He "just wanted to see what it was like to ride a factory bike". Really? That's ALL there is to this story? Now dont get me wrong, Brennan does not have to justify the why. The claim of the bike was within the rules - and the rule is a good one. The bottom line, dont want your unobtanium bike claimed, DONT BRING ONE TO AN AMATEUR RACE. But before I wholesale believe EVERY detail of your story, I want to know all the details. And a significant one is that these two groups have history. This was more than just "wanting to see what a factory bike felt like". Is that relevant to the claiming rule? No, not at all. But it is relevant to the credibility of this Brennan kid. So before I jump on his bandwagon and take everything as gospel, I pause and wonder why certain details are being left out.

If the Deegans are the new Alessis, lets not forget that the Alessis drama didnt exist in a vacuum. He had his rivals and those rivals werent saints either. Other equally overzealous mini dads. And plenty of ankle biting that fueled all the bullshit that went on between all parties involved.

I think it's only fair these questions are asked. Because when I talk to people "in the know" they're telling a very different version of all of this. For example:

- The engine builder fronted the cash for the claim
- Tim Cotter only interviewed Brennan AFTER the claim was rescinded and did so to make sure he wasnt being pressured by Yamaha
- I've heard some say that Brian Deegan never actually cornered the kid

Are any of those statements factual? Of course not. All Im saying is that if you can get past the mob mentality, there's actually another version of the story floating around that severely contradicts what a 17 year old kid is claiming.

I for one think that if indeed that kid was talked to privately by Cotter, Deegan, or anyone NOT the AMA, a SERIOUS line was crossed because again, he's a kid. But to be consistent, I also know that KIDS LIE all the time. So if you're not an adult, you dont get the benefit of the doubt like an adult either.

Now that it's here, please point out where you have quoted Brennan's statement that you believe is false and the time stamp from when he said it.

Sore Loser wrote:

Ok, I think I misunderstood your initial question. Because my initial "wtf" moment came when listening to Brennen's interview and when it came to the Yamaha...

Ok, I think I misunderstood your initial question. Because my initial "wtf" moment came when listening to Brennen's interview and when it came to the Yamaha involvement, he switched from giving very solid first hand details to what sounded like pure conjecture. So I started the thread to see if I missed something - including the time stamp of the major issues I was questioning.

I did not misunderstand him tho. Multiple people in these threads have agreed that the situation involving Yamaha is where it appears a lot of assumptions are being made and passed off as fact. I never accused him of lying regarding Yamaha's involvement. I have specifically asked how did he come to this conclusion? Did he actually read Matt Walker's text exchange with the dealership? etc etc etc.

This is the core moment in the whole debacle to me at this point.

And again, I've never called Brennan a liar. I specifically asked why his word was gospel and the contradictory version of the story is automatically false? Why were we putting so much faith in one party and not waiting for the response from the opposition?

Brennan is adamant that he saved up the money himself and that his engine builder was not involved. A lot of other people are saying otherwise. As of now Im not believing either side in that matter until more info comes out. It's he said/she said. But if the accuser is lying there, then I gotta question his other details.

As for a lot of other details, I know a heck of a lot more today than I did yesterday between the Weege commentary & DC's piece. I have not listened to Deegans response video yet. Oddly, nobody has posted it here yet - but someone did give a bit of the synopsis, which is that Deegan didnt know what the rule was (of which I have said I dont believe for a second), so right there Brian's credibility takes a hit.

I dont believe Brian's full account.
I dont believe Brennan's full acount.
Star admits they were running a bike outside the spirit of the rules.
I believe Weege's account.
Im not sure Cotter is the POS he's been labeled - it's still possible he was just put in a tough situation and tried his best.

Im indifferent towards DC's account but I find it interesting that it appears Brian was within his rights to be involved in the custody meeting. Which would take a lot of heat of Brian in this case, especially if Brennan's dad willfully chose not to be in that meeting and threw his kid to the wolves.

And Im still wondering wtf really went on with Yamaha Donnie, Walker, and I think this situation plays out very differently if Brennan's dad gets heavily involved but the same can be said about the AMA's lack of a role in all this.

If I had to guess as of this moment, gun to my head? I think there is a strong possibility the dealership was pressured. I also think it's possible someone did it without Yamaha's authority to do so.

There's still several turns this thing can take that either makes the situation much worse or much more tame than it was. Forgive me if Im not running wild with the version of a kid that has beef with Haiden. Especially when the key moments are still conjecture on his part and totally not confirmed in others.

Richy wrote:

We've probably heard enough from you on this one, maybe give it a rest?

Sore Loser wrote:

Ok, I think I misunderstood your initial question. Because my initial "wtf" moment came when listening to Brennen's interview and when it came to the Yamaha...

Ok, I think I misunderstood your initial question. Because my initial "wtf" moment came when listening to Brennen's interview and when it came to the Yamaha involvement, he switched from giving very solid first hand details to what sounded like pure conjecture. So I started the thread to see if I missed something - including the time stamp of the major issues I was questioning.

I did not misunderstand him tho. Multiple people in these threads have agreed that the situation involving Yamaha is where it appears a lot of assumptions are being made and passed off as fact. I never accused him of lying regarding Yamaha's involvement. I have specifically asked how did he come to this conclusion? Did he actually read Matt Walker's text exchange with the dealership? etc etc etc.

This is the core moment in the whole debacle to me at this point.

And again, I've never called Brennan a liar. I specifically asked why his word was gospel and the contradictory version of the story is automatically false? Why were we putting so much faith in one party and not waiting for the response from the opposition?

Brennan is adamant that he saved up the money himself and that his engine builder was not involved. A lot of other people are saying otherwise. As of now Im not believing either side in that matter until more info comes out. It's he said/she said. But if the accuser is lying there, then I gotta question his other details.

As for a lot of other details, I know a heck of a lot more today than I did yesterday between the Weege commentary & DC's piece. I have not listened to Deegans response video yet. Oddly, nobody has posted it here yet - but someone did give a bit of the synopsis, which is that Deegan didnt know what the rule was (of which I have said I dont believe for a second), so right there Brian's credibility takes a hit.

I dont believe Brian's full account.
I dont believe Brennan's full acount.
Star admits they were running a bike outside the spirit of the rules.
I believe Weege's account.
Im not sure Cotter is the POS he's been labeled - it's still possible he was just put in a tough situation and tried his best.

Im indifferent towards DC's account but I find it interesting that it appears Brian was within his rights to be involved in the custody meeting. Which would take a lot of heat of Brian in this case, especially if Brennan's dad willfully chose not to be in that meeting and threw his kid to the wolves.

And Im still wondering wtf really went on with Yamaha Donnie, Walker, and I think this situation plays out very differently if Brennan's dad gets heavily involved but the same can be said about the AMA's lack of a role in all this.

If I had to guess as of this moment, gun to my head? I think there is a strong possibility the dealership was pressured. I also think it's possible someone did it without Yamaha's authority to do so.

There's still several turns this thing can take that either makes the situation much worse or much more tame than it was. Forgive me if Im not running wild with the version of a kid that has beef with Haiden. Especially when the key moments are still conjecture on his part and totally not confirmed in others.

USA wrote:

I'll accept this as an insincere apology for your misguided comments about me earlier, even if talking to you akin to talking to a brick wall...

I'll accept this as an insincere apology for your misguided comments about me earlier, even if talking to you akin to talking to a brick wall.

It's OK to question a story, but the evidence you give about Brennan lying is not strong. Where in the interview did Brennan say that he saved all of the money himself? And if it comes to light that the engine builder was involved in giving Brennan money somehow, which statement are you going to point at as "Brennan lied right here"?

Sore Loser wrote:

Ok, I think I misunderstood your initial question. Because my initial "wtf" moment came when listening to Brennen's interview and when it came to the Yamaha...

Ok, I think I misunderstood your initial question. Because my initial "wtf" moment came when listening to Brennen's interview and when it came to the Yamaha involvement, he switched from giving very solid first hand details to what sounded like pure conjecture. So I started the thread to see if I missed something - including the time stamp of the major issues I was questioning.

I did not misunderstand him tho. Multiple people in these threads have agreed that the situation involving Yamaha is where it appears a lot of assumptions are being made and passed off as fact. I never accused him of lying regarding Yamaha's involvement. I have specifically asked how did he come to this conclusion? Did he actually read Matt Walker's text exchange with the dealership? etc etc etc.

This is the core moment in the whole debacle to me at this point.

And again, I've never called Brennan a liar. I specifically asked why his word was gospel and the contradictory version of the story is automatically false? Why were we putting so much faith in one party and not waiting for the response from the opposition?

Brennan is adamant that he saved up the money himself and that his engine builder was not involved. A lot of other people are saying otherwise. As of now Im not believing either side in that matter until more info comes out. It's he said/she said. But if the accuser is lying there, then I gotta question his other details.

As for a lot of other details, I know a heck of a lot more today than I did yesterday between the Weege commentary & DC's piece. I have not listened to Deegans response video yet. Oddly, nobody has posted it here yet - but someone did give a bit of the synopsis, which is that Deegan didnt know what the rule was (of which I have said I dont believe for a second), so right there Brian's credibility takes a hit.

I dont believe Brian's full account.
I dont believe Brennan's full acount.
Star admits they were running a bike outside the spirit of the rules.
I believe Weege's account.
Im not sure Cotter is the POS he's been labeled - it's still possible he was just put in a tough situation and tried his best.

Im indifferent towards DC's account but I find it interesting that it appears Brian was within his rights to be involved in the custody meeting. Which would take a lot of heat of Brian in this case, especially if Brennan's dad willfully chose not to be in that meeting and threw his kid to the wolves.

And Im still wondering wtf really went on with Yamaha Donnie, Walker, and I think this situation plays out very differently if Brennan's dad gets heavily involved but the same can be said about the AMA's lack of a role in all this.

If I had to guess as of this moment, gun to my head? I think there is a strong possibility the dealership was pressured. I also think it's possible someone did it without Yamaha's authority to do so.

There's still several turns this thing can take that either makes the situation much worse or much more tame than it was. Forgive me if Im not running wild with the version of a kid that has beef with Haiden. Especially when the key moments are still conjecture on his part and totally not confirmed in others.

USA wrote:

I'll accept this as an insincere apology for your misguided comments about me earlier, even if talking to you akin to talking to a brick wall...

I'll accept this as an insincere apology for your misguided comments about me earlier, even if talking to you akin to talking to a brick wall.

It's OK to question a story, but the evidence you give about Brennan lying is not strong. Where in the interview did Brennan say that he saved all of the money himself? And if it comes to light that the engine builder was involved in giving Brennan money somehow, which statement are you going to point at as "Brennan lied right here"?

ctbale wrote:

9:10

He says:. It's my money I'm the one who made the money. I believe him

USA wrote:

I'll accept this as an insincere apology for your misguided comments about me earlier, even if talking to you akin to talking to a brick wall...

I'll accept this as an insincere apology for your misguided comments about me earlier, even if talking to you akin to talking to a brick wall.

It's OK to question a story, but the evidence you give about Brennan lying is not strong. Where in the interview did Brennan say that he saved all of the money himself? And if it comes to light that the engine builder was involved in giving Brennan money somehow, which statement are you going to point at as "Brennan lied right here"?

Sore Loser wrote:

If it comes to light that he lied about how he got the money, then it makes it impossible to wholesale believe what went down in...

If it comes to light that he lied about how he got the money, then it makes it impossible to wholesale believe what went down in the private meeting with Cotter & Deegan. And the Yamaha Donnie / Walker meeting.

I strongly suspect that Deegan and Cotter were not the assholes initially thought. And this situation didnt get dramatic until Yamaha allegedly got involved. It was mostly your typical mini parent drama that happens EVERY time their is an elite amateur. People get shitty, ankle bite, play politics, leverage, etc.

I mean, isnt the worst part about all this that the claim was dropped? Shouldnt we want to know the details why before deciding who gets strung up?


I mean looking back at every rivalry past, are any of them one sided? Sure, the Alessi's had their beefs (Chatfield, Villopotos), but after a while it just became "who cares" these parents are doing what competitive parents & teams do.

This seems to happen every 10 years or so when there is a phenom that has been kicking the other familiy's asses for an extended period of time. Shit boils over and whatnot. Pretty normal stuff. The fastest kid is painted as the villain and everyone else is the victims, but if we're being honest, that is never the absolute truth.

Cue someone to bring up lasergate. Because for that, I got no fucking answer. That's where my argument goes off the rails. Same could be said if Yamaha got involved in all of this with Brennan - it's a really indefensible situation.

mb60 wrote:

In the time frame from when claimed the bike and when he took back the offer. How did Yamaha contact the dealership? It seems late in...

In the time frame from when claimed the bike and when he took back the offer. How did Yamaha contact the dealership? It seems late in the day for that to happen one would assume.

mb60 wrote:

In the time frame from when claimed the bike and when he took back the offer. How did Yamaha contact the dealership? It seems late in...

In the time frame from when claimed the bike and when he took back the offer. How did Yamaha contact the dealership? It seems late in the day for that to happen one would assume.

dkurtd wrote:

It was discussed the dealer was there with his son.