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6/11/2022 8:25pm
Kenny proved a lot today... he proved he is still a beast... and still an elite level rider... super impressive..!
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6/11/2022 8:42pm
You're not wrong. would be nice in Kitchen got the overall. And since when does rooting for the American guys mean sandbagging
Leeham wrote:
You missed the point. Your viewpoint is so lame that YOU probably sandbag the beginner class for trophies. Im sure you lost a lot of sleep...
You missed the point. Your viewpoint is so lame that YOU probably sandbag the beginner class for trophies. Im sure you lost a lot of sleep last year when a French and Aus guy won the outdoors last year.
soresammy wrote:
Obviously went "over his head under his feet" Probably has a confederate flag flying and a mullet blowing in the breeze...
Nothing wrong with a Confederate Flag
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This was the Roczen we haven't seen that much of lately...

Those 3 Eli tangles happened right in front of me and it was awesome!!! Eli's mistake was trying to cut across and beat Kenny to the inside. There were a few guys railing the outside and making passes there, Eli should have tried on his 3rd and final attempt there in my opinion.
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Press516 wrote:
This was the Roczen we haven't seen that much of lately... Those 3 Eli tangles happened right in front of me and it was awesome!!! Eli's...
This was the Roczen we haven't seen that much of lately...

Those 3 Eli tangles happened right in front of me and it was awesome!!! Eli's mistake was trying to cut across and beat Kenny to the inside. There were a few guys railing the outside and making passes there, Eli should have tried on his 3rd and final attempt there in my opinion.
I also think Eli didn't play it out well strategically. Kenny was ready for those moves and Eli just kept trying it over and over. Great defending on Ken's part.

Granted, Tomac probably was expecting to easily pass him as he did in the first moto. One of Tomac's flaws is that if someone messes with him it throws him off some.

Think about it...if Tomac could have passed KR in the first moto last week he would have won the overall...and the same this week except moto two. Two overalls ET could have had.
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Leeham wrote:
You missed the point. Your viewpoint is so lame that YOU probably sandbag the beginner class for trophies. Im sure you lost a lot of sleep...
You missed the point. Your viewpoint is so lame that YOU probably sandbag the beginner class for trophies. Im sure you lost a lot of sleep last year when a French and Aus guy won the outdoors last year.
soresammy wrote:
Obviously went "over his head under his feet" Probably has a confederate flag flying and a mullet blowing in the breeze...
AiC971 wrote:
Nothing wrong with a Confederate Flag
Mullet too.
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6/11/2022 10:16pm
I hadn't been that excited during a race for a long time, I don't know when the last time was that we saw someone successfully hold of an ET late race charge and show that much determination. Kenny fan all the way here, and it was awesome to see the love he got from the crowd on the podium even though he beat the local hero.
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6/11/2022 10:58pm
That battle with Eli was so much fun to watch. Those two race each other so clean that you really get to watch the strategy of each rider unfold. Hell of a race!
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soresammy wrote:
Obviously went "over his head under his feet" Probably has a confederate flag flying and a mullet blowing in the breeze...
AiC971 wrote:
Nothing wrong with a Confederate Flag
MyBobbym wrote:
Mullet too.
Or Alice In Chains
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6/11/2022 11:44pm
Definitely happy for him. Impossible not to be. Tomac has to be kicking himself. He definitely backed off after that last charge and as it turned out, it cost him 4 points on Sexton.
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TXDirt wrote:
Eli had him passed twice! Kenny just sneaks back by! That was really gritty! I think Eli settled thinking he had the overall. But anything can...
Eli had him passed twice! Kenny just sneaks back by!

That was really gritty! I think Eli settled thinking he had the overall. But anything can happen in racing. I bet he wishes he had those last few laps back to re-do.
Eli thought he had to get by kenny to get the overall. He also had no clue sexton went down. He told in the press conference
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6/12/2022 2:31am
id be much happier if eli won. or any American
C.Worthy wrote:
You should probably stick to American sports like baseball then since motocross racing came from Europe and all.
Must hurt you that USA has so many Chamberlain trophies
Yeah were you apart of those trophies ?

Stop living through others success.
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6/12/2022 4:02am Edited Date/Time 6/12/2022 4:04am
TXDirt wrote:
Eli had him passed twice! Kenny just sneaks back by! That was really gritty! I think Eli settled thinking he had the overall. But anything can...
Eli had him passed twice! Kenny just sneaks back by!

That was really gritty! I think Eli settled thinking he had the overall. But anything can happen in racing. I bet he wishes he had those last few laps back to re-do.
matze wrote:
Eli thought he had to get by kenny to get the overall. He also had no clue sexton went down. He told in the press conference
These guys absolutely know what they need to do. He didn’t need to get by Kenny for the overall. He knew that. That’s why he backed it down. He wasn’t going to catch Sexton to go 1-1.

Because it was his home track he put up a good fight to try and get Kenny. He knew either way he had the overall.

After he couldn’t make the pass stick on Kenny he settled back because he did have the overall locked up either way at his home track.

Also possible his last outdoor race at Lakewood in his career. Great to go out in the top of the box at your hometown race.

And then Sexton laid it down and changed everything. Of course Eli didn’t know Sexton crashed. It happened with like only a few corners to go.

Nothing Eli could do at that point. He was too far back. He laid it up too much at the end.
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6/12/2022 4:10am Edited Date/Time 6/12/2022 4:12am
TXDirt wrote:
These guys absolutely know what they need to do. He didn’t need to get by Kenny for the overall. He knew that. That’s why he backed...
These guys absolutely know what they need to do. He didn’t need to get by Kenny for the overall. He knew that. That’s why he backed it down. He wasn’t going to catch Sexton to go 1-1.

Because it was his home track he put up a good fight to try and get Kenny. He knew either way he had the overall.

After he couldn’t make the pass stick on Kenny he settled back because he did have the overall locked up either way at his home track.

Also possible his last outdoor race at Lakewood in his career. Great to go out in the top of the box at your hometown race.

And then Sexton laid it down and changed everything. Of course Eli didn’t know Sexton crashed. It happened with like only a few corners to go.

Nothing Eli could do at that point. He was too far back. He laid it up too much at the end.
why would eli lie about that lol. its no big deal either
At 6:35
https://youtu.be/xPYKg2QAr3A
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6/12/2022 4:16am Edited Date/Time 6/12/2022 4:16am
TXDirt wrote:
These guys absolutely know what they need to do. He didn’t need to get by Kenny for the overall. He knew that. That’s why he backed...
These guys absolutely know what they need to do. He didn’t need to get by Kenny for the overall. He knew that. That’s why he backed it down. He wasn’t going to catch Sexton to go 1-1.

Because it was his home track he put up a good fight to try and get Kenny. He knew either way he had the overall.

After he couldn’t make the pass stick on Kenny he settled back because he did have the overall locked up either way at his home track.

Also possible his last outdoor race at Lakewood in his career. Great to go out in the top of the box at your hometown race.

And then Sexton laid it down and changed everything. Of course Eli didn’t know Sexton crashed. It happened with like only a few corners to go.

Nothing Eli could do at that point. He was too far back. He laid it up too much at the end.
matze wrote:
why would eli lie about that lol. its no big deal either
At 6:35
https://youtu.be/xPYKg2QAr3A
I didn’t say he was lying. He’s just not being forthcoming is all. He’s been racing a very long time. He knows 1-3 beats a 2-2 at the Pro level.

I don’t care what he says on the matter. He messed up and laid up too early at his home track and it cost him the overall. Do you really expect him to come out and admit that? No.

He screwed up. He knows it. What he says at the presser is irrelevant.

These guys all know what they need to do. This wasn’t a complex finishing position that required extra thinking.

He had it locked up so he backed it down. And he did have it locked up until the very end.

I can’t say I really blame him. It was unlikely at that point Kenny was going to get the win he needed for the overall.

And then Sexton crashed changing everything.
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TXDirt wrote:
I didn’t say he was lying. He’s just not being forthcoming is all. He’s been racing a very long time. He knows 1-3 beats a 2-2...
I didn’t say he was lying. He’s just not being forthcoming is all. He’s been racing a very long time. He knows 1-3 beats a 2-2 at the Pro level.

I don’t care what he says on the matter. He messed up and laid up too early at his home track and it cost him the overall. Do you really expect him to come out and admit that? No.

He screwed up. He knows it. What he says at the presser is irrelevant.

These guys all know what they need to do. This wasn’t a complex finishing position that required extra thinking.

He had it locked up so he backed it down. And he did have it locked up until the very end.

I can’t say I really blame him. It was unlikely at that point Kenny was going to get the win he needed for the overall.

And then Sexton crashed changing everything.
wth. haha
if anything it is more honest to say what he said than just "admitting" (?) he settled for 3rd. Again, goes to show you how humble and honest eli is
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All the Eli let up, you ever think Eli gave all he had and have nothing left? His last pass attempt he definitely got cross rutted. After charging for 25 minutes in 100 degree heat. Yes he trains hard, but it is possible he had no more to give at that point
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yak651 wrote:
All the Eli let up, you ever think Eli gave all he had and have nothing left? His last pass attempt he definitely got cross rutted...
All the Eli let up, you ever think Eli gave all he had and have nothing left? His last pass attempt he definitely got cross rutted. After charging for 25 minutes in 100 degree heat. Yes he trains hard, but it is possible he had no more to give at that point
I’m sure that played into it. Risk/Reward.

No matter if he passed Kenny or not he had the overall. And he was going to lose points to Sexton no matter what that moto.

He put in a big effort to pass Kenny. After he couldn’t make the pass stick there wasn’t a whole lot of incentive to take any more unnecessary risks at that point. He already had the overall locked up.

Everything would have worked out exactly according to plan except Sexton crashed with a few corners to go. Handing Kenny the lead and the overall.

If Eli really thought he needed to pass Kenny for the overall you can rest assured he would have kept trying. Being it was his home track as well. No way he lays up under any other circumstances.

He had the overall at his home track. Wasn’t much reward for passing Ken those last three laps.

Then it all changed.
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6/12/2022 4:45am Edited Date/Time 6/12/2022 5:09am
yak651 wrote:
All the Eli let up, you ever think Eli gave all he had and have nothing left? His last pass attempt he definitely got cross rutted...
All the Eli let up, you ever think Eli gave all he had and have nothing left? His last pass attempt he definitely got cross rutted. After charging for 25 minutes in 100 degree heat. Yes he trains hard, but it is possible he had no more to give at that point
We also won’t let the fact that when Eli went over the ruts in his last pass attempt, he lost more than a few seconds to Roczen.
Given the situation, time left and what had just gone down, it was not only a very rational smart decision to settle for third, it was also really all he had left.

The ‘Tomac gave up too early’ talk is ridiculous. He went hard, enjoyed the fight, but didn’t pull it off. No one knows better than Eli that he may have run out of time in this one battle, but he still has plenty of time to win the war.
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CPR wrote:
We also won’t let the fact that when Eli went over the ruts in his last pass attempt, he lost more than a few seconds to...
We also won’t let the fact that when Eli went over the ruts in his last pass attempt, he lost more than a few seconds to Roczen.
Given the situation, time left and what had just gone down, it was not only a very rational smart decision to settle for third, it was also really all he had left.

The ‘Tomac gave up too early’ talk is ridiculous. He went hard, enjoyed the fight, but didn’t pull it off. No one knows better than Eli that he may have run out of time in this one battle, but he still has plenty of time to win the war.
I saw it exactly the same way. "He gave up." Wtf are you talking about? He couldn't get by Ken after blowing out the berm so he was bringing it home safe
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6/12/2022 5:03am
Tomac sounded pretty honest in his post race interview with Matthes. He thought he needed Roczen for the overall. His rear brake was going away during the battle and by the time he blew the downhill corner trying to finish the pass his brake was completely gone which resulted in the last couple of slow laps.
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6/12/2022 5:14am Edited Date/Time 6/12/2022 5:15am
Despite always being fast and awesome to watch with that smooth style, that's the kind of determination and standing up for himself on track that I wasn't sure Kenny still had in him as a simple spectator sat here watching... I imagine that ride showed a good few people what's up, myself included.

Was very impressive and looked a lot more like the Ken Roczen of old who really does want to be in the title chase.

Tomac rode great too, no need to pick fault.
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Keep...politics....out of moto-related. I'd like to say it's not that hard but for some of you, it seems to be the toughest task you've ever been handed.

Check your emails, couple suspensions handed out...
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It gave me a warm fuzzy watching Ken battle Eli and then prevail in that second moto. I like seeing him dig deep. Stay off social media Ken and just ride your ass off the rest of the summer! I probably am a bigger Eli fan than Kenny but watching them play chess with each other out there is as good as moto gets and if Ken comes out on top in a battle like that I have nothing but props for the guy.
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TeamGreen wrote:
It's impossible for me to NOT be happy for the guy!
APLMAN99 wrote:
You’d think it would be impossible for anyone to not be happy for him…… I think that the folks giving you the negative thumbs are the...
You’d think it would be impossible for anyone to not be happy for him……

I think that the folks giving you the negative thumbs are the children who can’t separate this from other things that they may disagree with you about.
TeamGreen wrote:
No worries. It ain't our "karma". You and I remember that night at Anaheim where we were all SURE he was done. And, he proved us...
No worries. It ain't our "karma". You and I remember that night at Anaheim where we were all SURE he was done.

And, he proved us wrong.

That last moto, today...from NOT giving a single inch to Eli...at all...and staying in it to the very end...

PURE BAD ASS.
That second moto was one of the best fight for position I’ve ever seen in moto. Eli gave it all to him until Kenny broke him down. Not sure what was in Eli’s mind right after the last failed passing attempt but I imagine it was something like “to hell with this!”
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6/12/2022 8:01am
C.Worthy wrote:
You should probably stick to American sports like baseball then since motocross racing came from Europe and all.
Must hurt you that USA has so many Chamberlain trophies
Yeah were you apart of those trophies ?

Stop living through others success.
So its not okay to have favorites? I guess you dont root for anybody. . Interesting.
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That moto was amazeballs as was Kenny. When he is on it like that, he still stays in control, efficient-closest thing to Everts there is.
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6/12/2022 8:21am
I always pay attention to bike setup and the difference between Sexton, Roczen, and Tomac is remarkable. Kenny runs a softer setup with much more rebound simile to MXGP. Looking back to before the major injuries he didn’t run it as soft. Just find it interesting.

ML512 I know riders keep things close to the vest on setup. I wonder if you could do a segment on things they are after with setups? Would be cool to learn more about the riders preferences etc.
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6/12/2022 8:30am
gt80rider wrote:
Kenny proved a lot today... he proved he is still a beast... and still an elite level rider... super impressive..!
Whoa! What the Hell...

Is it just me...or...is gt80rider sharing the STOKE?!

Ya see that? All the other crazy-talk, accusations, politics and arguing aside...

Kenny hammering it out to the very end created a MIRACLE!

gt80 is STOKED! Grinning

ps-dude, I'm just messin' with ya.
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6/12/2022 8:54am
Kenny. Better be glad it was ELI BEHIND HIM AND NOT Anderson as 21 would have moved him out of the way period!!
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6/12/2022 8:56am
AiC971 wrote:
Nothing wrong with a Confederate Flag
What other country flys a flag or has monuments of a losing war?
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