Shane McElrath Released from BBMX Contract

creature654 5/1/2022 3:28am
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Maybe he’s not back to full health, but not choosing savatgy for freaking Anstie completely baffles me. The dude has done pretty much nothing since the big move over here. Shane would also be a better pick it’s time to forget about Max as an option for these teams. Is kawi going to get a fill in when inevitably they’re new fill in is on the sidelines again?
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Hi Side wrote:
I know (I think) that RMATVMC doesn't have anything to do with the shenanigans but I haven't ordered anything through them since this debacle. MotoSport has...
I know (I think) that RMATVMC doesn't have anything to do with the shenanigans but I haven't ordered anything through them since this debacle. MotoSport has gotten the majority of my orders lately with a few things from AOMC. Unless I have missed it, RMATVMC hasn't made a comment regarding this mess.
Leeham wrote:
F take People who share this view are actually weird. Like your 1-3 orders are gonna break the company. “You guys just lost a customer! 😡“...
F take

People who share this view are actually weird. Like your 1-3 orders are gonna break the company. “You guys just lost a customer! 😡“

Lol
If RMATVMC wasn't in the wrong in this, then Hi Side shouldn't hold them responsible.
But if they were, I would do the same thing he is. It's not the 1-3 orders, it's the principle. I'm not going to give my business to a company that burns people.
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Can he race 250? Maybe outdoors on a 250 for KTM?
He doesn't have the heart or fitness for a outdoor ride. Prove me wrong based on the past...
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Hi Side wrote:
I know (I think) that RMATVMC doesn't have anything to do with the shenanigans but I haven't ordered anything through them since this debacle. MotoSport has...
I know (I think) that RMATVMC doesn't have anything to do with the shenanigans but I haven't ordered anything through them since this debacle. MotoSport has gotten the majority of my orders lately with a few things from AOMC. Unless I have missed it, RMATVMC hasn't made a comment regarding this mess.
Leeham wrote:
F take People who share this view are actually weird. Like your 1-3 orders are gonna break the company. “You guys just lost a customer! 😡“...
F take

People who share this view are actually weird. Like your 1-3 orders are gonna break the company. “You guys just lost a customer! 😡“

Lol
Radical wrote:
If RMATVMC wasn't in the wrong in this, then Hi Side shouldn't hold them responsible. But if they were, I would do the same thing he...
If RMATVMC wasn't in the wrong in this, then Hi Side shouldn't hold them responsible.
But if they were, I would do the same thing he is. It's not the 1-3 orders, it's the principle. I'm not going to give my business to a company that burns people.
RMATVMC was just a sponsor of the team...they paid Butler and HE mishandled and over spent the money....RMATVMC didn't have anything to do with it and to punish them for being a sponsor of the team is just downright ignorant..
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Hi Side wrote:
I know (I think) that RMATVMC doesn't have anything to do with the shenanigans but I haven't ordered anything through them since this debacle. MotoSport has...
I know (I think) that RMATVMC doesn't have anything to do with the shenanigans but I haven't ordered anything through them since this debacle. MotoSport has gotten the majority of my orders lately with a few things from AOMC. Unless I have missed it, RMATVMC hasn't made a comment regarding this mess.
Leeham wrote:
F take People who share this view are actually weird. Like your 1-3 orders are gonna break the company. “You guys just lost a customer! 😡“...
F take

People who share this view are actually weird. Like your 1-3 orders are gonna break the company. “You guys just lost a customer! 😡“

Lol
Radical wrote:
If RMATVMC wasn't in the wrong in this, then Hi Side shouldn't hold them responsible. But if they were, I would do the same thing he...
If RMATVMC wasn't in the wrong in this, then Hi Side shouldn't hold them responsible.
But if they were, I would do the same thing he is. It's not the 1-3 orders, it's the principle. I'm not going to give my business to a company that burns people.
But he said he did it even knowing (thinking) they didn't have anything to do with it.

Which doesn't really much much sense.
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Leeham wrote:
F take People who share this view are actually weird. Like your 1-3 orders are gonna break the company. “You guys just lost a customer! 😡“...
F take

People who share this view are actually weird. Like your 1-3 orders are gonna break the company. “You guys just lost a customer! 😡“

Lol
Radical wrote:
If RMATVMC wasn't in the wrong in this, then Hi Side shouldn't hold them responsible. But if they were, I would do the same thing he...
If RMATVMC wasn't in the wrong in this, then Hi Side shouldn't hold them responsible.
But if they were, I would do the same thing he is. It's not the 1-3 orders, it's the principle. I'm not going to give my business to a company that burns people.
DonM wrote:
RMATVMC was just a sponsor of the team...they paid Butler and HE mishandled and over spent the money....RMATVMC didn't have anything to do with it and...
RMATVMC was just a sponsor of the team...they paid Butler and HE mishandled and over spent the money....RMATVMC didn't have anything to do with it and to punish them for being a sponsor of the team is just downright ignorant..
I don't think RMATVMC is losing in this situation with Hi Side. Not sure why you wouldn't want to take advantage of Free shipping over $75, Great customer service and notifications when things are back on stock.
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brocster 5/1/2022 8:26am
5/1/2022 8:26am Edited Date/Time 5/1/2022 8:31am
I think what’s trying to get said here is that RMATV/MC had much more to lose in this situation than BBMX and if they knew riders weren’t getting paid (been going on for a while it seems) they should have put pressure on BBMX to do the right thing or pull out. Long ago!

In my little feeble mind, I wouldn’t want my multimillion dollar business associated with such filth. 1 month late, maybe, 2 months late, warning shots fired. 3 months late I am walking and most likely with collateral.

Oh forgot to add. “Released” my ass, there is NO contract if you aren’t paying, just sayin.

Flame away and here’s hoping all three land a ride in this order. Savatgy, McElrath, Antsie
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Thisusernameisavailable 5/1/2022 10:33am
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brocster wrote:
I think what’s trying to get said here is that RMATV/MC had much more to lose in this situation than BBMX and if they knew riders...
I think what’s trying to get said here is that RMATV/MC had much more to lose in this situation than BBMX and if they knew riders weren’t getting paid (been going on for a while it seems) they should have put pressure on BBMX to do the right thing or pull out. Long ago!

In my little feeble mind, I wouldn’t want my multimillion dollar business associated with such filth. 1 month late, maybe, 2 months late, warning shots fired. 3 months late I am walking and most likely with collateral.

Oh forgot to add. “Released” my ass, there is NO contract if you aren’t paying, just sayin.

Flame away and here’s hoping all three land a ride in this order. Savatgy, McElrath, Antsie
Exactly! You'd not get 'released' from a contract that your contractors have already broken. Thats why I wondered if Shane had been getting paid correctly up until now.
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mb60 5/1/2022 1:44pm
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Spat24 wrote:
Besides the Kaw 450 ride - what other rides (250 or 450) are out there?
Hope all three get on a team.
I doubt Wilson will be ready to start the series. Maybe a Husky ride is the only one that comes to mind.
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wb173 5/1/2022 1:51pm
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Leeham wrote:
F take People who share this view are actually weird. Like your 1-3 orders are gonna break the company. “You guys just lost a customer! 😡“...
F take

People who share this view are actually weird. Like your 1-3 orders are gonna break the company. “You guys just lost a customer! 😡“

Lol
Radical wrote:
If RMATVMC wasn't in the wrong in this, then Hi Side shouldn't hold them responsible. But if they were, I would do the same thing he...
If RMATVMC wasn't in the wrong in this, then Hi Side shouldn't hold them responsible.
But if they were, I would do the same thing he is. It's not the 1-3 orders, it's the principle. I'm not going to give my business to a company that burns people.
DonM wrote:
RMATVMC was just a sponsor of the team...they paid Butler and HE mishandled and over spent the money....RMATVMC didn't have anything to do with it and...
RMATVMC was just a sponsor of the team...they paid Butler and HE mishandled and over spent the money....RMATVMC didn't have anything to do with it and to punish them for being a sponsor of the team is just downright ignorant..
Old news.
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wb173 5/1/2022 1:54pm
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DonM wrote:
Correct…
wb173 wrote:
Back to you in the booth...
slipdog wrote:
Thanks, WB, that's some good info! I'd say Anstie and Savatgy are definitely in a must situation and I can't wait to see how things pan...
Thanks, WB, that's some good info! I'd say Anstie and Savatgy are definitely in a must situation and I can't wait to see how things pan out. And now a word from our sponsor...
Nice! Is it me or you, or both... "must situation" is wearing me out. I love the dude and he's gotten much better.
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TbonesPop 5/1/2022 2:35pm
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McElrath has loads to talent/skill on a dirtbike. He's lacking a good team/program. Culture within a program matters, a lot. I'm not saying he is going to be a consistent top 5 guy in the 450 class, but he could for sure be a top 5-10 guy with the right situation. Look at Hartranft with Twisted. If Shane can build the consistency Brandon has, he would be right there in the 5-10 range at the end of the season.
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TbonesPop wrote:
McElrath has loads to talent/skill on a dirtbike. He's lacking a good team/program. Culture within a program matters, a lot. I'm not saying he is going...
McElrath has loads to talent/skill on a dirtbike. He's lacking a good team/program. Culture within a program matters, a lot. I'm not saying he is going to be a consistent top 5 guy in the 450 class, but he could for sure be a top 5-10 guy with the right situation. Look at Hartranft with Twisted. If Shane can build the consistency Brandon has, he would be right there in the 5-10 range at the end of the season.
Sounds like he would benefit from an atmosphere like TLD. Oh wait . . .
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About as close to the horses mouth as possible. Is your question cause you think he has it sealed up or is it because your son...
About as close to the horses mouth as possible.

Is your question cause you think he has it sealed up or is it because your son is trying to get the spot? I believe your Joey Savatgy's dad.
Smoked a J with that guy at Lazy River MX
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TbonesPop wrote:
McElrath has loads to talent/skill on a dirtbike. He's lacking a good team/program. Culture within a program matters, a lot. I'm not saying he is going...
McElrath has loads to talent/skill on a dirtbike. He's lacking a good team/program. Culture within a program matters, a lot. I'm not saying he is going to be a consistent top 5 guy in the 450 class, but he could for sure be a top 5-10 guy with the right situation. Look at Hartranft with Twisted. If Shane can build the consistency Brandon has, he would be right there in the 5-10 range at the end of the season.
GrapeApe wrote:
Sounds like he would benefit from an atmosphere like TLD. Oh wait . . .
Don't forget he was on star yamaha as well.
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Roczoff 5/1/2022 6:43pm
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It's also possible that the team could swing McElrath's salary, but doesn't have mechanics and partners lined up to provide a competitive bike and program. Unless Shane's contract states that X personnel and X suppliers be onboard, then he'd need to negotiate a release.

Sad part is that only Baggett and JT know the true story...
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Magoofan 5/1/2022 6:47pm
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Just hate this whole thing.... shit deal for SM, JS and MA.....
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chasetwo79 5/1/2022 6:52pm
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TbonesPop wrote:
McElrath has loads to talent/skill on a dirtbike. He's lacking a good team/program. Culture within a program matters, a lot. I'm not saying he is going...
McElrath has loads to talent/skill on a dirtbike. He's lacking a good team/program. Culture within a program matters, a lot. I'm not saying he is going to be a consistent top 5 guy in the 450 class, but he could for sure be a top 5-10 guy with the right situation. Look at Hartranft with Twisted. If Shane can build the consistency Brandon has, he would be right there in the 5-10 range at the end of the season.
I’m pretty sure he had the chance to ride the HEP bike and then chose the MCR deal. He was their first choice, he said no, and BH got the seat and I’d say he’s done more than well enough with what he was given.

Maybe after seeing Bogle and BH have the results they are having, a slightly better rider may choose the HEP option next time because they seem to have solid stability.
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Radical 5/2/2022 12:22am
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Leeham wrote:
F take People who share this view are actually weird. Like your 1-3 orders are gonna break the company. “You guys just lost a customer! 😡“...
F take

People who share this view are actually weird. Like your 1-3 orders are gonna break the company. “You guys just lost a customer! 😡“

Lol
Radical wrote:
If RMATVMC wasn't in the wrong in this, then Hi Side shouldn't hold them responsible. But if they were, I would do the same thing he...
If RMATVMC wasn't in the wrong in this, then Hi Side shouldn't hold them responsible.
But if they were, I would do the same thing he is. It's not the 1-3 orders, it's the principle. I'm not going to give my business to a company that burns people.
DonM wrote:
RMATVMC was just a sponsor of the team...they paid Butler and HE mishandled and over spent the money....RMATVMC didn't have anything to do with it and...
RMATVMC was just a sponsor of the team...they paid Butler and HE mishandled and over spent the money....RMATVMC didn't have anything to do with it and to punish them for being a sponsor of the team is just downright ignorant..
Thanks for that info. I'm glad they didn't have anything to do with it. I buy from them all the time.
The point I was making is that I believe it's right to take business elsewhere when companies ARE burning people. That's all.
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As for the riders keeping lips zipped, none of us will truly understand what happened. Baggett, who sure has a load of talent has not said a word. Shane stating he has been released is short and to the point.
I am surely not a lawyer or agent
Mikey (ml512) would be the GO TO for Info on how contracts are drawn up.
There may be a NDA clause (non disclosure agreement) for the rider requirement hidden in the contract.
ML512 thoughts ???
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ML512 5/2/2022 9:17am
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tzmike wrote:
As for the riders keeping lips zipped, none of us will truly understand what happened. Baggett, who sure has a load of talent has not said...
As for the riders keeping lips zipped, none of us will truly understand what happened. Baggett, who sure has a load of talent has not said a word. Shane stating he has been released is short and to the point.
I am surely not a lawyer or agent
Mikey (ml512) would be the GO TO for Info on how contracts are drawn up.
There may be a NDA clause (non disclosure agreement) for the rider requirement hidden in the contract.
ML512 thoughts ???
From my understanding, the BBMX contracts have some pretty hefty NDAs and confidentiality clauses in them. So for the most part, you won't ever really see anyone talk about the situation. Almost every ex-rider of the team I've asked about it will say a lot off-record but when asked to go on the record for an interview they all shy away and reference that part of the contract.
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mxfuture 5/2/2022 11:40am
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Leeham wrote:
F take People who share this view are actually weird. Like your 1-3 orders are gonna break the company. “You guys just lost a customer! 😡“...
F take

People who share this view are actually weird. Like your 1-3 orders are gonna break the company. “You guys just lost a customer! 😡“

Lol
Really?

Ask Netflix how their agenda is working out!
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Leeham 5/2/2022 11:46am
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mxfuture wrote:
Really?

Ask Netflix how their agenda is working out!
Totally different. Netflix jacking up prices and not offering anything “new” is not anywhere near the same as RMATV pulling their sponsorship because of the team not abiding contract terms.

I also doubt that RMATV got a HUGE amount of sales from sponsoring a team.
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mxfuture 5/2/2022 11:55am
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Leeham wrote:
Totally different. Netflix jacking up prices and not offering anything “new” is not anywhere near the same as RMATV pulling their sponsorship because of the team...
Totally different. Netflix jacking up prices and not offering anything “new” is not anywhere near the same as RMATV pulling their sponsorship because of the team not abiding contract terms.

I also doubt that RMATV got a HUGE amount of sales from sponsoring a team.
People jumping ship from Netflix is due to several reasons which don't need to be discussed here. The point is simple, spending your money wisely on companies that do the right thing is how it should be done. When companies do the wrong thing your dollars should not continue to fill their pockets.
I'm not going to pretend I know all the details but if I'm making contracts to represent my company I'm not going to allow them to stiff riders or otherwise.
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Leeham 5/2/2022 12:04pm
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mxfuture wrote:
People jumping ship from Netflix is due to several reasons which don't need to be discussed here. The point is simple, spending your money wisely on...
People jumping ship from Netflix is due to several reasons which don't need to be discussed here. The point is simple, spending your money wisely on companies that do the right thing is how it should be done. When companies do the wrong thing your dollars should not continue to fill their pockets.
I'm not going to pretend I know all the details but if I'm making contracts to represent my company I'm not going to allow them to stiff riders or otherwise.
You are the one that brought up Netflix.

Now what if RM didn't pull their sponsorship. And BBMX still didn't pay their riders. By your logic, supporting RM that is the title sponsor of BBMX, would be saying its okay to not pay their riders. EVEN though thats not RM's responsibility to do that, its the teams. The team not paying riders/bills and not having someone ride the bike with the RMATV brand on it (VitalMX video) breached the contract.

RMATV dumping BBMX is the right move imo. Why support guys who don't follow agreements.

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mxfuture 5/2/2022 12:10pm
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Leeham wrote:
You are the one that brought up Netflix. Now what if RM didn't pull their sponsorship. And BBMX still didn't pay their riders. By your logic...
You are the one that brought up Netflix.

Now what if RM didn't pull their sponsorship. And BBMX still didn't pay their riders. By your logic, supporting RM that is the title sponsor of BBMX, would be saying its okay to not pay their riders. EVEN though thats not RM's responsibility to do that, its the teams. The team not paying riders/bills and not having someone ride the bike with the RMATV brand on it (VitalMX video) breached the contract.

RMATV dumping BBMX is the right move imo. Why support guys who don't follow agreements.

Wow. I brought up Netflix because it shows what happens when companies do the wrong thing and customers do the right thing. I didn't want to get into the details about Netflix because long winded discussion about Topics I don't think you're aware of based on your comments.

Pretending that's not RMs responsibility is comical at best. Their responsibility is to protect their image and logo and not let it be tarnished by asshats.

I won't spend my money with any company that's associated with any other company that stiffs Riders. PERIOD! End!
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Leeham 5/2/2022 12:18pm
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mxfuture wrote:
Wow. I brought up Netflix because it shows what happens when companies do the wrong thing and customers do the right thing. I didn't want to...
Wow. I brought up Netflix because it shows what happens when companies do the wrong thing and customers do the right thing. I didn't want to get into the details about Netflix because long winded discussion about Topics I don't think you're aware of based on your comments.

Pretending that's not RMs responsibility is comical at best. Their responsibility is to protect their image and logo and not let it be tarnished by asshats.

I won't spend my money with any company that's associated with any other company that stiffs Riders. PERIOD! End!
Then why are you mad? They are no longer associated with BBMX, the team that doesn't pay their riders. You are now free to do business with them again. I don't understand your issue.

Lets not forget RMATV for the past couple years, they have been a big sponsor at the LL AM National. But yeah duck RMATV!
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Leeham wrote:
You are the one that brought up Netflix. Now what if RM didn't pull their sponsorship. And BBMX still didn't pay their riders. By your logic...
You are the one that brought up Netflix.

Now what if RM didn't pull their sponsorship. And BBMX still didn't pay their riders. By your logic, supporting RM that is the title sponsor of BBMX, would be saying its okay to not pay their riders. EVEN though thats not RM's responsibility to do that, its the teams. The team not paying riders/bills and not having someone ride the bike with the RMATV brand on it (VitalMX video) breached the contract.

RMATV dumping BBMX is the right move imo. Why support guys who don't follow agreements.

mxfuture wrote:
Wow. I brought up Netflix because it shows what happens when companies do the wrong thing and customers do the right thing. I didn't want to...
Wow. I brought up Netflix because it shows what happens when companies do the wrong thing and customers do the right thing. I didn't want to get into the details about Netflix because long winded discussion about Topics I don't think you're aware of based on your comments.

Pretending that's not RMs responsibility is comical at best. Their responsibility is to protect their image and logo and not let it be tarnished by asshats.

I won't spend my money with any company that's associated with any other company that stiffs Riders. PERIOD! End!
This is exactly why I said earlier that RMATV will have a better contract in the future. I have to believe that RMATV would have enforced a clause that guaranteed payment of team members salaries if there had been one. As it is, they used the only legal action available to them, per contract. If they had Elon money...the cool thing would be for them to make good to the riders, mechs, drivers, etc. Or maybe I'm wrong and they're all a bunch of turds that use people up and spit 'em out. Nope...I refuse to believe that EVERYONE is an asshole.
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HonDawg17 5/2/2022 12:58pm
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BBMX....Mr Butler needs to go to Jail. We don't need this filth in our sport.
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