And another one splits in half….

PTshox wrote:

Curious if KTM would help him out in anyway?

PTshox wrote:

Curious if KTM would help him out in anyway?

BAD10 wrote:

This was yesterday at Barona. Haven’t heard of nearly the amount of failures with the other brands like this one. Definitely not a good look. [img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2022/04/24/545884/s1200_A00A6B78_D0D6_4D17_A89D_56CCB24A8075.jpg[/img]

This was yesterday at Barona. Haven’t heard of nearly the amount of failures with the other brands like this one. Definitely not a good look.

BAD10 wrote:

This was yesterday at Barona. Haven’t heard of nearly the amount of failures with the other brands like this one. Definitely not a good look. [img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2022/04/24/545884/s1200_A00A6B78_D0D6_4D17_A89D_56CCB24A8075.jpg[/img]

This was yesterday at Barona. Haven’t heard of nearly the amount of failures with the other brands like this one. Definitely not a good look.

HonDawg17 wrote:

When Pingree's bike locked up off the triple and tore the bike in half @ Phoenix '02. I said from then on I will never trust...

When Pingree's bike locked up off the triple and tore the bike in half @ Phoenix '02. I said from then on I will never trust a KTM. Many have ripped the front end off since then. Never getting my kid on one.

Natester551v wrote:

I've heard that the reason Yamaha (and other Japanese brands) can't/won't get their bikes down to the featherweight target of the KTM group is that it...

I've heard that the reason Yamaha (and other Japanese brands) can't/won't get their bikes down to the featherweight target of the KTM group is that it won't pass the durability tests, drop tests, etc. that they use for pass/fail chassis qualification for production. Never been able to independently verify that, but it makes sense. I know the Japanese manufacturers could take more weight out from other areas, but I'd imagine it would drive the cost up substantially...

That being said, I ride a KTM, but I'm an offroad guy so this stuff doesn't even phase me. If I was a jumper maybe I'd be paying closer attention (and making sure my triple clamp pinch bolt was properly torqued, with anti-seize, etc., etc.).

Johnny Ringo wrote:

Lightest bike in the class

Rickyisms wrote:

There was a guy who floated around on here and TT that was a AA level off-road guy who also moto’d his 2016 KTM 350. Went...

There was a guy who floated around on here and TT that was a AA level off-road guy who also moto’d his 2016 KTM 350. Went to like 600 hours with minimal work other than maintenance and then to like 800 with his wife/chick riding it. I think it comes down to maintenance more than anything, and we still haven’t even seen what broke on this one in the picture.

#434 wrote:

What cracks me up is that most guys that say „I would never run a piston longer than 25h“ or „I would never trust a KTM...

What cracks me up is that most guys that say „I would never run a piston longer than 25h“ or „I would never trust a KTM, they break“ are slow as f..k and could ride their bike till the end of time without an oil change.

PTshox wrote:

That is certainly an ala cart motorcycle. Yikes. I worked for a few years in the test and measurement field for a mfg of equipment used...

That is certainly an ala cart motorcycle. Yikes.

I worked for a few years in the test and measurement field for a mfg of equipment used to measure vibration and re-produce vibration. The customers were who' s who of the Auto and aero space industry including boeing, Ford, BMW, NSK bearings, Timkin bearings, The US military, Lockheed martin etc.... Many others. They take this stuff seriously... real world testing... Not computer modeling alone.

I'm amazed at the lack of this type of testing that goes on in the motorcycle and bicycle industry. And I see these guys show up with these test jigs and micky mouse stuff and say "look at what we do"... and they are proud of it. And it's total garbage and will not produce any data of value. There isn't and accelerometer attached to any of it while being used in the conditions it's designed for. It's shocking and stupid.

I once saw a KTM video where they had a frame hooked up to some jig and were claiming they increased the xyz stiffness etc... If you want to show that take a data recorder, build a bike, put accelerometers all over the frame and go ride it! Then come back and do some modal analysis on it. Then take the new frame - put the accelerometers in the same locations and go ride that.. then do some modal analysis on that frame and compare.

It's not rocket science. But some of these guys are just in the stone age. I talked to a buddy that's in R&D at a well known bicycle mfger component supplier and he was telling me how they have this guy... and that guy.. and they use strain gages and do testing. Are you kidding me???? Why not go back to a horse and buggy and give up your car.

Sigh....

PTshox wrote:

That is certainly an ala cart motorcycle. Yikes. I worked for a few years in the test and measurement field for a mfg of equipment used...

That is certainly an ala cart motorcycle. Yikes.

I worked for a few years in the test and measurement field for a mfg of equipment used to measure vibration and re-produce vibration. The customers were who' s who of the Auto and aero space industry including boeing, Ford, BMW, NSK bearings, Timkin bearings, The US military, Lockheed martin etc.... Many others. They take this stuff seriously... real world testing... Not computer modeling alone.

I'm amazed at the lack of this type of testing that goes on in the motorcycle and bicycle industry. And I see these guys show up with these test jigs and micky mouse stuff and say "look at what we do"... and they are proud of it. And it's total garbage and will not produce any data of value. There isn't and accelerometer attached to any of it while being used in the conditions it's designed for. It's shocking and stupid.

I once saw a KTM video where they had a frame hooked up to some jig and were claiming they increased the xyz stiffness etc... If you want to show that take a data recorder, build a bike, put accelerometers all over the frame and go ride it! Then come back and do some modal analysis on it. Then take the new frame - put the accelerometers in the same locations and go ride that.. then do some modal analysis on that frame and compare.

It's not rocket science. But some of these guys are just in the stone age. I talked to a buddy that's in R&D at a well known bicycle mfger component supplier and he was telling me how they have this guy... and that guy.. and they use strain gages and do testing. Are you kidding me???? Why not go back to a horse and buggy and give up your car.

Sigh....

dirtwalker wrote:

Sorry mate, but accelerometers don’t replace strain gauges. They both have different purposes and play a part in validating designs depending on the load environment and...

Sorry mate, but accelerometers don’t replace strain gauges. They both have different purposes and play a part in validating designs depending on the load environment and the design specifics.

#434 wrote:

What cracks me up is that most guys that say „I would never run a piston longer than 25h“ or „I would never trust a KTM...

What cracks me up is that most guys that say „I would never run a piston longer than 25h“ or „I would never trust a KTM, they break“ are slow as f..k and could ride their bike till the end of time without an oil change.

Mr. Afterbar wrote:

I’m an A rider and I won’t ride a KTM. Local shop was a dealer for 10 years or so and I saw enough in the...

I’m an A rider and I won’t ride a KTM. Local shop was a dealer for 10 years or so and I saw enough in the back of that shop to scare me away forever. To each their own. They just aren’t for me.

Natester551v wrote:

I've heard that the reason Yamaha (and other Japanese brands) can't/won't get their bikes down to the featherweight target of the KTM group is that it...

I've heard that the reason Yamaha (and other Japanese brands) can't/won't get their bikes down to the featherweight target of the KTM group is that it won't pass the durability tests, drop tests, etc. that they use for pass/fail chassis qualification for production. Never been able to independently verify that, but it makes sense. I know the Japanese manufacturers could take more weight out from other areas, but I'd imagine it would drive the cost up substantially...

That being said, I ride a KTM, but I'm an offroad guy so this stuff doesn't even phase me. If I was a jumper maybe I'd be paying closer attention (and making sure my triple clamp pinch bolt was properly torqued, with anti-seize, etc., etc.).