Triple Crowns are Great!

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Triple crowns are the shit. They add some real spice and it's funny because they reward consistency and also flashes of brilliance. You can get a podium for the first time in a moto/race ala Friese or get a great result via 3 good performances.

I reckon 3 per year is perfect, one for each coast and a shootout. Also this stadium is perfect for it so they should make it an Arizona tradition moving forward.
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inthebadboycorner 2/5/2022 10:07pm
2/5/2022 10:07pm
Yes, I like them, they provide a great night's racing.
I do get the feeling that some don't value them as a " real " win though.
A great night for us Aussies, a win in what appears to be an un winnerble battle.

Please excuse the grammar and spelling mistakes, in advance.
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mb60 2/5/2022 10:22pm
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I like the format as well but each moto should count as points. Have one on each coast as well. Would love to see the shakeup of points with each race counting towards the championship.
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Motofinne 2/5/2022 11:15pm
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I disagree, i think they are shit because every moto is just basically a third of a full main and then you line up at the gate again. Personally there is next to no excitement when riders hit the checkered flag in the first two because they've won nothing yet. But at the same time the third can be almost irrelevant for a guy like Tomac who dominated the first two parts and just circulated out there with taking the minimum risks required for finishing the moto and winning the event.

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Yeti831 2/6/2022 12:01am
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I love the extended racing we get to see.

Imo, the only downside is it screws some of the lower tier guys out by not giving them the chance at a heat or lcq in typical fashion.

Great for fans, bad for joe blow racing from a van.
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mx617 2/6/2022 12:12am
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There is nothing good about triple Crowns besides the novelty factor. Screws the privateers, finishes the night on a limp noodle race, and takes the excitement out of any of the races. Maybe theres a good battle, but it doesn't actually mean anything. Turns it into an entire night of heat races.
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Motofinne 2/6/2022 12:35am
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mx617 wrote:
There is nothing good about triple Crowns besides the novelty factor. Screws the privateers, finishes the night on a limp noodle race, and takes the excitement...
There is nothing good about triple Crowns besides the novelty factor. Screws the privateers, finishes the night on a limp noodle race, and takes the excitement out of any of the races. Maybe theres a good battle, but it doesn't actually mean anything. Turns it into an entire night of heat races.
This.
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akmx17 2/6/2022 1:36am
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Love them, feel bad for the riders but they are in the circus
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Motofinne wrote:
I disagree, i think they are shit because every moto is just basically a third of a full main and then you line up at the...
I disagree, i think they are shit because every moto is just basically a third of a full main and then you line up at the gate again. Personally there is next to no excitement when riders hit the checkered flag in the first two because they've won nothing yet. But at the same time the third can be almost irrelevant for a guy like Tomac who dominated the first two parts and just circulated out there with taking the minimum risks required for finishing the moto and winning the event.

so nationals, MXGP, Pretty much any motocross event are shit because they are half or a third also? its to show consistency and exciting racing combined to show who really is best that day/night. not one race.
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I was really expecting more action last night with how good the racing had been previous rounds. I definitely was underwhelmed, thought the racing last night was pretty boring with little passing action. If it wasn’t for VF, what would anyone talk about today?
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yak651 wrote:
I was really expecting more action last night with how good the racing had been previous rounds. I definitely was underwhelmed, thought the racing last night...
I was really expecting more action last night with how good the racing had been previous rounds. I definitely was underwhelmed, thought the racing last night was pretty boring with little passing action. If it wasn’t for VF, what would anyone talk about today?
Thats what happens when the track is dumbed down for the futures and cookie cutter. No seperation and the jumps were spaced far apart again where the top guys werent challenged like last week. The track wasnt technical and the racing suffered. Peak the damn jumps up steep so it slows down speeds and makes it tech like the 2000s early 2010s tracks were. Its not complicated.
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MotofactioN 2/6/2022 6:45am
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I'm not a fan of them. I don't mind 1 for each coast, but anymore than that would suck imo. I love watching the standard heats and LCQ's, and then the main is always so exciting. A triple crown main....isnt exciting
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toroP 2/6/2022 6:59am
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Triple Crown- First race is exciting- race 2 less so- race 3, snooze.

Standard format- I’m always on the edge of my seat for the Main gate drop. Heats are a great intro, LCQs often fun, and a great feature for privateers.

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LowCash 2/6/2022 7:16am
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For 3 hrs straight there are results that matter; I usually walk the dogs or take a shower during LCQs.
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Chris_Buehler 2/6/2022 7:18am
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I was so happy we didn't have triple crowns last season. Not a fan
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TropicPilot 2/6/2022 7:20am
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I don't know, man. They're usually anticlimactic. Heading into the third moto there's usually one guy who only has to get a fifth or something to get the overall.

Under the normal format, the tension builds until the main event. Under the triple crown format, the tension fades away as the night progresses.
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MotofactioN wrote:
I'm not a fan of them. I don't mind 1 for each coast, but anymore than that would suck imo. I love watching the standard heats...
I'm not a fan of them. I don't mind 1 for each coast, but anymore than that would suck imo. I love watching the standard heats and LCQ's, and then the main is always so exciting. A triple crown main....isnt exciting
East region has 2 triple crown races this year.

Personally, I'm not a fan of them.
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Motofinne wrote:
I disagree, i think they are shit because every moto is just basically a third of a full main and then you line up at the...
I disagree, i think they are shit because every moto is just basically a third of a full main and then you line up at the gate again. Personally there is next to no excitement when riders hit the checkered flag in the first two because they've won nothing yet. But at the same time the third can be almost irrelevant for a guy like Tomac who dominated the first two parts and just circulated out there with taking the minimum risks required for finishing the moto and winning the event.

AB#81 wrote:
so nationals, MXGP, Pretty much any motocross event are shit because they are half or a third also? its to show consistency and exciting racing combined...
so nationals, MXGP, Pretty much any motocross event are shit because they are half or a third also? its to show consistency and exciting racing combined to show who really is best that day/night. not one race.
No. Because MXGP and Nationals, are 2 mains, not a half or a third of one. Each race gives 25 championship points to the winner. The races in a triple crown give nothing individually, and as far as the overall goes, it’s almost always pretty much decided before the gate drop for the third one. You just have to look at the reaction of Lawrence and Tomac crossing the line to win last night. Flat as anything.

They absolutely suck IMO, the first one is often exciting but it gets less exciting as the night goes on. Why would you want the finale of both classes to start with only 1-2 possible winners?
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yz133rider 2/6/2022 9:48am
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Motofinne wrote:
I disagree, i think they are shit because every moto is just basically a third of a full main and then you line up at the...
I disagree, i think they are shit because every moto is just basically a third of a full main and then you line up at the gate again. Personally there is next to no excitement when riders hit the checkered flag in the first two because they've won nothing yet. But at the same time the third can be almost irrelevant for a guy like Tomac who dominated the first two parts and just circulated out there with taking the minimum risks required for finishing the moto and winning the event.

AB#81 wrote:
so nationals, MXGP, Pretty much any motocross event are shit because they are half or a third also? its to show consistency and exciting racing combined...
so nationals, MXGP, Pretty much any motocross event are shit because they are half or a third also? its to show consistency and exciting racing combined to show who really is best that day/night. not one race.
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No. Because MXGP and Nationals, are 2 mains, not a half or a third of one. Each race gives 25 championship points to the winner. The...
No. Because MXGP and Nationals, are 2 mains, not a half or a third of one. Each race gives 25 championship points to the winner. The races in a triple crown give nothing individually, and as far as the overall goes, it’s almost always pretty much decided before the gate drop for the third one. You just have to look at the reaction of Lawrence and Tomac crossing the line to win last night. Flat as anything.

They absolutely suck IMO, the first one is often exciting but it gets less exciting as the night goes on. Why would you want the finale of both classes to start with only 1-2 possible winners?
Why would you want to watch 2.5 hours of “gate pick qualifying?”
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drok577 2/6/2022 9:49am
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I enjoy the build up of the regular program, when the 450 main is about to start im on the edge of my seat with sweaty palms. dont get that at all im the triple crowns, usually ends up with the winner able to cruise to the victory in the third main which sucks for racing
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Zachintosh 2/6/2022 10:26am
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Every race during the night show should count for points. Timed qualifying and qualifying races should happen earlier, as is the case with EVERY other motorsport series on the planet, including the AMA Nationals.
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loftyair 2/6/2022 10:29am
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They suck. Make them race 2x35min.
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RaceFace58 2/6/2022 11:00am
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The heat races used to really mean something when it wasn’t 9 guys get into the main. Last night the very last race started with us knowing Eli didn’t need to win it to win. How stupid! It’s exciting watching him roll around because he already had it in the bag? Hey why not do the joker lane while we’re at it.
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kpiper 2/6/2022 11:01am
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Great format. Love it.
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Motofinne wrote:
I disagree, i think they are shit because every moto is just basically a third of a full main and then you line up at the...
I disagree, i think they are shit because every moto is just basically a third of a full main and then you line up at the gate again. Personally there is next to no excitement when riders hit the checkered flag in the first two because they've won nothing yet. But at the same time the third can be almost irrelevant for a guy like Tomac who dominated the first two parts and just circulated out there with taking the minimum risks required for finishing the moto and winning the event.

AB#81 wrote:
so nationals, MXGP, Pretty much any motocross event are shit because they are half or a third also? its to show consistency and exciting racing combined...
so nationals, MXGP, Pretty much any motocross event are shit because they are half or a third also? its to show consistency and exciting racing combined to show who really is best that day/night. not one race.
I think you just touched on the biggest disconnect with triple crown:

It’s not the format but the points. Each main should contribute to points standing like outdoors rather than the sum of all 3.
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Hammer 663s 2/6/2022 11:41am
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The phoenix crowd wasn’t impressed. 5000 bailed out after 450 race 2 and another 5000 before 450 race 3. Casual fans can’t focus that long nor did they seem to care who won. Us die hards didn’t budge from our seats. I do think they should pay points for each race to keep the riders hungry. There were a LOT of guys just rolling around in race 3.

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AB#81 wrote:
so nationals, MXGP, Pretty much any motocross event are shit because they are half or a third also? its to show consistency and exciting racing combined...
so nationals, MXGP, Pretty much any motocross event are shit because they are half or a third also? its to show consistency and exciting racing combined to show who really is best that day/night. not one race.
RG1 wrote:
No. Because MXGP and Nationals, are 2 mains, not a half or a third of one. Each race gives 25 championship points to the winner. The...
No. Because MXGP and Nationals, are 2 mains, not a half or a third of one. Each race gives 25 championship points to the winner. The races in a triple crown give nothing individually, and as far as the overall goes, it’s almost always pretty much decided before the gate drop for the third one. You just have to look at the reaction of Lawrence and Tomac crossing the line to win last night. Flat as anything.

They absolutely suck IMO, the first one is often exciting but it gets less exciting as the night goes on. Why would you want the finale of both classes to start with only 1-2 possible winners?
yz133rider wrote:
Why would you want to watch 2.5 hours of “gate pick qualifying?”
For the same reasons we have for nearly 50 years of Supercross
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TK40_FC 2/6/2022 12:17pm
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I really enjoy them. I think it's a challenge for the racers to have 3 consistent rides, but the peaks can easily be as big as the valleys.
The only downside for me, was the wins were a little anti-climactic. The riders were shuffled off the track after the mains right away and I don't think the fans / viewers really had a chance to see any good vibes from the 3 podium guys.
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Hammer 663s 2/6/2022 12:40pm
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TK40_FC wrote:
I really enjoy them. I think it's a challenge for the racers to have 3 consistent rides, but the peaks can easily be as big as...
I really enjoy them. I think it's a challenge for the racers to have 3 consistent rides, but the peaks can easily be as big as the valleys.
The only downside for me, was the wins were a little anti-climactic. The riders were shuffled off the track after the mains right away and I don't think the fans / viewers really had a chance to see any good vibes from the 3 podium guys.
Yeah the podium was way back behind the starting line. You couldn’t even see it from anywhere in the stadium except the big screens. Not that there’s a ton of floor space but there had to be somewhere better than that!
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katooom 2/6/2022 12:42pm
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On the whole, not really a fan.

At the very least they need to award points for each race, like 12 for 1st, 10-->1 for 2nd thru 11.

Riders should be rewarded for executing 3 starts, 3 first turns and 3 races.

The LCQs should be part of the nite show.
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