2023 Yamaha YZF450

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SFellure33 1/29/2022 4:32am
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mattyhamz2 wrote:
I'd love to hear from the older guys that rode in the 70's and 80's. Did y'all bitch about new bikes this much this much in...
I'd love to hear from the older guys that rode in the 70's and 80's.

Did y'all bitch about new bikes this much this much in the 70's and 80's? Wanting weight reductions, better rider triangles, better this, better that, new this, new that or were you all happy with what you had and content with even having a bike to ride in the first place?

I hear my pops tell me all the time that we are spoilt/spoiled and complain too much with what we have today compared to what he grew up riding. I always heart that he was just happy his bikes held together long enough to get through a full year and that kids today have no idea how good they have it. I can't say I disagree.
Did your dad pay almost 12k for a bike then?
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mattyhamz2 wrote:
I'd love to hear from the older guys that rode in the 70's and 80's. Did y'all bitch about new bikes this much this much in...
I'd love to hear from the older guys that rode in the 70's and 80's.

Did y'all bitch about new bikes this much this much in the 70's and 80's? Wanting weight reductions, better rider triangles, better this, better that, new this, new that or were you all happy with what you had and content with even having a bike to ride in the first place?

I hear my pops tell me all the time that we are spoilt/spoiled and complain too much with what we have today compared to what he grew up riding. I always heart that he was just happy his bikes held together long enough to get through a full year and that kids today have no idea how good they have it. I can't say I disagree.
SFellure33 wrote:
Did your dad pay almost 12k for a bike then?
Technology isnt cheap,. No comparison in bikes. People wanted. Efi, disc brakes. Etc, now complain on prices lol. Gotta pay to. Play. Guarantee peoples paychecks are different also.
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It hurts my soul to see how expensive these hippy mobiles have become.
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Riding dirt bikes is fun, regardless if it is a 77 elisnore 125 or the newest ktm. Yes new technology has made bikes better, but i dont really feel like im having more fun then i did in the 80s. I get the racing aspect and thats what they build, race bikes. Local racing i would say anything made in the last 10 or 15 years is competitive for most.
Buy and ride what you can afford, keeping up with the Jones is probably over rated.
For whats it worth, i ride a 19 450sxf, 05 yz250, and bigy 190, each one is a blast to ride.

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Motofinne wrote:
I can see them changing the rider triangle. I have pretty short legs and i'm relatively short (175cm), and for me the current triangle feels fine...
I can see them changing the rider triangle. I have pretty short legs and i'm relatively short (175cm), and for me the current triangle feels fine but i can see how anyone with longer legs or just longer body is struggling with the short footpeg to seat distance.
Pop Shmoke wrote:
Changing the footpeg height can be changed very easily with new footpeg brackets that lower the mounting point of the footpegs, making your legs sit lower...
Changing the footpeg height can be changed very easily with new footpeg brackets that lower the mounting point of the footpegs, making your legs sit lower on the bike. If thats not enough you can also buy lower/taller bars, and then change the seat foam height as well.
Where can you buy footpeg brackets that lower the pegs on a late model YZ450F?
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Motofinne wrote:
I can see them changing the rider triangle. I have pretty short legs and i'm relatively short (175cm), and for me the current triangle feels fine...
I can see them changing the rider triangle. I have pretty short legs and i'm relatively short (175cm), and for me the current triangle feels fine but i can see how anyone with longer legs or just longer body is struggling with the short footpeg to seat distance.
Pop Shmoke wrote:
Changing the footpeg height can be changed very easily with new footpeg brackets that lower the mounting point of the footpegs, making your legs sit lower...
Changing the footpeg height can be changed very easily with new footpeg brackets that lower the mounting point of the footpegs, making your legs sit lower on the bike. If thats not enough you can also buy lower/taller bars, and then change the seat foam height as well.
mx317 wrote:
Where can you buy footpeg brackets that lower the pegs on a late model YZ450F?
I may still have some brand new ones never used. Fastway pegs
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mx317 1/29/2022 9:32am
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Zycki11 wrote:
I may still have some brand new ones never used. Fastway pegs
Not footpeg brackets
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Undersprung 1/29/2022 11:21am
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Maybe I got lucky that the 18 I bought already had the taller seat and slightly lower aftermarket pegs but I've never felt cramped on it at 6' 3". Felt way better instantly than on my blue 250 two stroke, when I go back to one of those it feels tiny in comparison.
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Yamaha, please dont remove cable clutch. Mine working better then hydro.
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moto162 wrote:
I want no rider triangle changes. Maybe a couple pounds off if it would be nice. Same goes for the 250f. That's about it. Maybe from...
I want no rider triangle changes. Maybe a couple pounds off if it would be nice. Same goes for the 250f. That's about it. Maybe from the factory fix the mapping g so the power isn't so Jerky at initial throttle response.
2009 CRF450 Honda first EFI bike and it had flame out issues and of/off throttle response at lower RPMs. Thirteen years later and OEM's still have EFI issues on stock machines.
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inthebadboycorner 1/29/2022 12:49pm
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mattyhamz2 wrote:
I'd love to hear from the older guys that rode in the 70's and 80's. Did y'all bitch about new bikes this much this much in...
I'd love to hear from the older guys that rode in the 70's and 80's.

Did y'all bitch about new bikes this much this much in the 70's and 80's? Wanting weight reductions, better rider triangles, better this, better that, new this, new that or were you all happy with what you had and content with even having a bike to ride in the first place?

I hear my pops tell me all the time that we are spoilt/spoiled and complain too much with what we have today compared to what he grew up riding. I always heart that he was just happy his bikes held together long enough to get through a full year and that kids today have no idea how good they have it. I can't say I disagree.
No, in 1979 I was over the moon to have FIM side number plates on my yz125, works bike look.
It didn't matter that it didn't stop or turn.
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If they make it lighter... will they jump into air forks like Star Yamaha been using?
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Yes in the 70's we did complain about all the new bikes and for good reason. Back in the day new bikes were just a starting platform , you could race them stock until they broke. If you wanted to avoid DNF's you had to finish what the MFG started and that meant gusseting frames, replacing shocks, replacing swingarms and correcting bad jetting just to name a few of the problems new bikes came with. On a positive note all the afore mentioned task were some of what made motocross so much fun. Forty years ago a racers results could be good or bad based on the degree of bike setup and trouble shooting he did early on with a new bike. Imagine going from fifth place one week to first place the next week just due to changing a pipe or porting or a different set of shocks or all the above. It was fun to see results improve as a direct result of making bike changes. Today bikes are so good right out of the crate that you may or may not even see any improvement in lap times after a revalve or pipe change.
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moto162 wrote:
I want no rider triangle changes. Maybe a couple pounds off if it would be nice. Same goes for the 250f. That's about it. Maybe from...
I want no rider triangle changes. Maybe a couple pounds off if it would be nice. Same goes for the 250f. That's about it. Maybe from the factory fix the mapping g so the power isn't so Jerky at initial throttle response.
Leave Us To wrote:
2009 CRF450 Honda first EFI bike and it had flame out issues and of/off throttle response at lower RPMs. Thirteen years later and OEM's still have...
2009 CRF450 Honda first EFI bike and it had flame out issues and of/off throttle response at lower RPMs. Thirteen years later and OEM's still have EFI issues on stock machines.
Yep, and the austrian smokers and new yz125 have horrible jetting, and none are as easy to get right as sending out your ecu for new map
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tek14 wrote:
If they make it lighter... will they jump into air forks like Star Yamaha been using?
Why would they? The SSS KYB are great out of the box
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vitalriderCrf 1/29/2022 3:25pm
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kijen wrote:
Riding dirt bikes is fun, regardless if it is a 77 elisnore 125 or the newest ktm. Yes new technology has made bikes better, but i...
Riding dirt bikes is fun, regardless if it is a 77 elisnore 125 or the newest ktm. Yes new technology has made bikes better, but i dont really feel like im having more fun then i did in the 80s. I get the racing aspect and thats what they build, race bikes. Local racing i would say anything made in the last 10 or 15 years is competitive for most.
Buy and ride what you can afford, keeping up with the Jones is probably over rated.
For whats it worth, i ride a 19 450sxf, 05 yz250, and bigy 190, each one is a blast to ride.

Good stuff, I'm on a 2017 Honda. Weird to think my bike is already 5 years old but at the same time I can't think of anything it needs. Not willing to pay 11 grand for something just because it has a 2022 model sticker on the side of the frame
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mattyhamz2 wrote:
I'd love to hear from the older guys that rode in the 70's and 80's. Did y'all bitch about new bikes this much this much in...
I'd love to hear from the older guys that rode in the 70's and 80's.

Did y'all bitch about new bikes this much this much in the 70's and 80's? Wanting weight reductions, better rider triangles, better this, better that, new this, new that or were you all happy with what you had and content with even having a bike to ride in the first place?

I hear my pops tell me all the time that we are spoilt/spoiled and complain too much with what we have today compared to what he grew up riding. I always heart that he was just happy his bikes held together long enough to get through a full year and that kids today have no idea how good they have it. I can't say I disagree.
The aftermarket offered parts for nearly every area of every bike back in the 70s, so the notion that people weren’t complaining about stock bikes is fairly silly…….
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smoothies862 1/29/2022 6:35pm
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Just saying 2023 makes me feel old lol man it looks funny
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The bikes were junk in the 70s and 80s . The local fast guys would go through 2 or 3 a year not to mention all the money they had to put in them to make them race ready . I would say 2 years ago the new bikes were a deal comparatively speaking, now not so much
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In the 80s bikes were changing every year, literally clean sheet designs and 1 year model runs, there wasn't a whole lot of time to complain given that whatever you were riding wasn't going to be around longer than 12 months. We all wanted a works Honda, and remember being really upset that Honda wouldn't sell the public a full blown works CR250 for $2995. I remember having an 86 kx250 which was way different than the 85, then an 87 which was a 1 year model run that totally changed the egos from 86 into a super narrow ergo design, 88 changed completely again to a fatter bike. Crazy times. Bikes were also a lot less costly vs. wages, it was very common for everyone to have a bike per class with most having a 125/250 or 250/500 setup and some doing 125/250/500. Nobody had $200K rigs showing up at the track (not even the factories), a cube van meant you were rich, just about everyone had their bikes in the back of a pickup of pickup/small trailer. Different times, simpler and in retrospect a lot more fun and a lot more focused on the riding/racing vs. the pits scene. (call me a boomer or whatever you want).
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M8 1/31/2022 11:56am
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Hopefully it has a cable clutch.. Just for Tomac.
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INeedaNewUsername 1/31/2022 1:46pm
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Yeah...can you imagine the shitstorm in 81 if social media was a thing when Yamaha had the great idea of a triple clamp radiator or the garbage that Honda had??? Sure, it woulda been all a bed of roses.
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kijen wrote:
Riding dirt bikes is fun, regardless if it is a 77 elisnore 125 or the newest ktm. Yes new technology has made bikes better, but i...
Riding dirt bikes is fun, regardless if it is a 77 elisnore 125 or the newest ktm. Yes new technology has made bikes better, but i dont really feel like im having more fun then i did in the 80s. I get the racing aspect and thats what they build, race bikes. Local racing i would say anything made in the last 10 or 15 years is competitive for most.
Buy and ride what you can afford, keeping up with the Jones is probably over rated.
For whats it worth, i ride a 19 450sxf, 05 yz250, and bigy 190, each one is a blast to ride.

vitalriderCrf wrote:
Good stuff, I'm on a 2017 Honda. Weird to think my bike is already 5 years old but at the same time I can't think of...
Good stuff, I'm on a 2017 Honda. Weird to think my bike is already 5 years old but at the same time I can't think of anything it needs. Not willing to pay 11 grand for something just because it has a 2022 model sticker on the side of the frame
Yea these prices are going to price me out of racing, lol
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Easy adjustment: SDG Tall Seat .75" is working great, opens the Triangle for taller riders.
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smoothies862 wrote:
Just saying 2023 makes me feel old lol man it looks funny
No kidding, 2023 looks like a typo Grinning
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Boggins wrote:
Easy adjustment: SDG Tall Seat .75" is working great, opens the Triangle for taller riders.
Im not even a "taller" rider. Im just at 5'8" and I use the GYTR tall seat, and it made a huge difference for me. With the stock seat height, I felt like my knees were going to hit the bar ends going through corners.
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Undersprung wrote:
Maybe I got lucky that the 18 I bought already had the taller seat and slightly lower aftermarket pegs but I've never felt cramped on it...
Maybe I got lucky that the 18 I bought already had the taller seat and slightly lower aftermarket pegs but I've never felt cramped on it at 6' 3". Felt way better instantly than on my blue 250 two stroke, when I go back to one of those it feels tiny in comparison.
I own a 20 and a 21. I have owned a 18 and 19. Me either, totally agree with you. I run Windham bend pro taper bars in the most forward position and I have never felt cramped. Im 6'3" and my son is 6'4". We just ordered the tall seat from GYTR to try but really its only to see if it helps. Never felt that I really needed it.
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David934 wrote:
Yamaha, please dont remove cable clutch. Mine working better then hydro.
AMEN. Please lord baby Jesus do not go hydro.
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