STARK FUTURE VARG - An Electric Bike that is Faster and Lighter than a 450?

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Juck 12/14/2021 6:46am
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This is absolutely huge news for the industry, it has kept me up all excited. If the specs are true then this is awesome. Interested to see how long the engine is supposed to last, overall should be much cheaper than any ICE bike in the long run considering how much you're saving with less maintenance. Apparently the ALTA lasted 3000 hours or something, if this bike is similar to that then they should also have great resale value.
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Fourth_Floor 12/14/2021 6:48am
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Just put my deposit down on one!! I currently have a 2017 Alta Redshift MX that I absolutely love but my two biggest gripes about it are the weight (it's freaking heavy) and the fact you can't tune the regen braking or even turn it off. On bigger jumps the back tire will actually slow to a stop in the air from the regen braking which will dip the front end so you gotta be mindful to blip the throttle to level the bike back out. Not a huge deal but if you can go in and change the amount of regen braking or turn it off altogether, that's amazing.

Although my monkey brain was telling me "bigger is better!!" I'm going with the standard 60HP model haha. My Alta in map 4 is insane so I don't think I need 80HP.

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FGR01 12/14/2021 6:49am
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charge lasts 1-moto?

So, if I am racing 2 classes/4 motos.....

I obviously don't have 1-2 hrs between every moto to sit there charging. So I suppose I buy 3 spare batteries at about $8K/each and do a massive bike tear down between every moto?

Oh, and we're going to have a sea of generators going all day long at MX races? That will be enjoyable. Now the noise is in the pits instead of on the track, Or are we going to expect track owners to install electrical supply and distro capable of charging all these bikes... when most MX tracks are in BFE where clean porta-shitters are too much to expect.

Sorry to buzz kill Bros, but electric bike might be a good option for training on your home tracks and that's about it. Stop all the "new dawn for the sport" talk.

Let's not forget, the California ban on gas powered tools also includes portable generators.
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Johnny Ringo wrote:
EV will kill the moto industry when it comes to aftermarket and hard parts. I hope we just add these bikes as an option and don’t...
EV will kill the moto industry when it comes to aftermarket and hard parts. I hope we just add these bikes as an option and don’t wholesale move to electric. A lot of people will be out of work if that happens.
You need to move on from that coal miner mentality.

People with imagination know there are endless new opportunities and potential for innovation.
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Silas444 wrote:
I've never been one of those "stamp it" types, but any OEM still willing to spend their R&D money on future ICE motocross bikes juuuuuuust became...
I've never been one of those "stamp it" types, but any OEM still willing to spend their R&D money on future ICE motocross bikes juuuuuuust became, uhhhh,"moranic."

Stamp it.

So then, anyone want to buy a shitload of well-used metric wrenches?
yz133rider wrote:
I put 2-3hrs on my bike per day at the track at b class pace. That bike will last 1-2 motos for me. That would not...
I put 2-3hrs on my bike per day at the track at b class pace.

That bike will last 1-2 motos for me.

That would not work for me. And many others.
If the rest of your classes is on bikes like this prepare for life at the back of the pack. Laughing
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I hope my local park is ready for some ruckus
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Johnny Ringo 12/14/2021 6:55am
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Johnny Ringo wrote:
EV will kill the moto industry when it comes to aftermarket and hard parts. I hope we just add these bikes as an option and don’t...
EV will kill the moto industry when it comes to aftermarket and hard parts. I hope we just add these bikes as an option and don’t wholesale move to electric. A lot of people will be out of work if that happens.
Bruce372 wrote:
You need to move on from that coal miner mentality.

People with imagination know there are endless new opportunities and potential for innovation.
Maybe you need to move on from your coastal elite mentality
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Johnny Ringo wrote:
EV will kill the moto industry when it comes to aftermarket and hard parts. I hope we just add these bikes as an option and don’t...
EV will kill the moto industry when it comes to aftermarket and hard parts. I hope we just add these bikes as an option and don’t wholesale move to electric. A lot of people will be out of work if that happens.
Bruce372 wrote:
You need to move on from that coal miner mentality.

People with imagination know there are endless new opportunities and potential for innovation.
To be fair, coal miners make the world go round, ever see how much of the world's energy is fired by coal?

People with "imagination" seem to harm my wallet more than they do good for the environment. Are 200 generators running at the track going to be better for the environment than the bikes running? Sure they will use less fuel, but it still takes a bunch of energy to produce said generators.....and a bunch of fuel to ship them all around the world.
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Johnny Ringo 12/14/2021 7:04am
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Funny the guys saying 450s are too much power are now cheering an 80hp bike
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FGR01 wrote:
charge lasts 1-moto? So, if I am racing 2 classes/4 motos..... I obviously don't have 1-2 hrs between every moto to sit there charging. So I...
charge lasts 1-moto?

So, if I am racing 2 classes/4 motos.....

I obviously don't have 1-2 hrs between every moto to sit there charging. So I suppose I buy 3 spare batteries at about $8K/each and do a massive bike tear down between every moto?

Oh, and we're going to have a sea of generators going all day long at MX races? That will be enjoyable. Now the noise is in the pits instead of on the track, Or are we going to expect track owners to install electrical supply and distro capable of charging all these bikes... when most MX tracks are in BFE where clean porta-shitters are too much to expect.

Sorry to buzz kill Bros, but electric bike might be a good option for training on your home tracks and that's about it. Stop all the "new dawn for the sport" talk.

Let's not forget, the California ban on gas powered tools also includes portable generators.
How long are your motos and your skill level? They told me a full MXGP length moto with a top pro on it. So over 40 mins…as soon as the pace of the rider drops off the charge begins to increase significantly. We had a conversation that leaned towards most mid level riders being able to get somewhere between 1-3 hours out of a charge on moto. Depending on speed and the material being rode in.
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Johnny Ringo wrote:
EV will kill the moto industry when it comes to aftermarket and hard parts. I hope we just add these bikes as an option and don’t...
EV will kill the moto industry when it comes to aftermarket and hard parts. I hope we just add these bikes as an option and don’t wholesale move to electric. A lot of people will be out of work if that happens.
The automobile will put farriers and coach builders out of business!
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BCE wrote:
Wow very cool. But I think the range is slightly exaggerated. The battery is 6kWh. I have an ALTA with 5.8kWh battery. And i get only...
Wow very cool.
But I think the range is slightly exaggerated.
The battery is 6kWh.

I have an ALTA with 5.8kWh battery.
And i get only 20 minutes of MX riding and around 1 hour on the trail.
And I am nowhere near pro speed.
So to get 6 hours on the trail is probably at snail pace.
I agree too.. I feel they missed the mark on this need of range. Still unconventional for a 80 miles trail ride loop unless your riding it like a 60cc bike. Again no way to charge it if your in middle of nowhere.
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Bruce372 12/14/2021 7:17am
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Johnny Ringo wrote:
EV will kill the moto industry when it comes to aftermarket and hard parts. I hope we just add these bikes as an option and don’t...
EV will kill the moto industry when it comes to aftermarket and hard parts. I hope we just add these bikes as an option and don’t wholesale move to electric. A lot of people will be out of work if that happens.
Bruce372 wrote:
You need to move on from that coal miner mentality.

People with imagination know there are endless new opportunities and potential for innovation.
BobPA wrote:
To be fair, coal miners make the world go round, ever see how much of the world's energy is fired by coal? People with "imagination" seem...
To be fair, coal miners make the world go round, ever see how much of the world's energy is fired by coal?

People with "imagination" seem to harm my wallet more than they do good for the environment. Are 200 generators running at the track going to be better for the environment than the bikes running? Sure they will use less fuel, but it still takes a bunch of energy to produce said generators.....and a bunch of fuel to ship them all around the world.
I bet you guys have some great fisherman's tales. I don't believe the majority off riders put in more than an hour on a local track day.

District races, 15 minutes practise and two 5 lap motos ain't gonna use a full charge.
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Johnny Ringo wrote:
Funny the guys saying 450s are too much power are now cheering an 80hp bike
The app and phone builtin is actually where some serious innovation comes into play. 80HP is the max, the phone app allows fully customizing of the power curve and power delivery. So think Telsa when you want a insanity mode for a drag race and max it out and then a mode for everyday riding to your ability and detune the power need.
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hititpind 12/14/2021 7:18am
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I scrolled across this bike on Instagram and kept going because I thought it was just a prototype. Super cool that it’s being mass produced
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Johnny Ringo 12/14/2021 7:19am
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Bruce372 wrote:
You need to move on from that coal miner mentality.

People with imagination know there are endless new opportunities and potential for innovation.
BobPA wrote:
To be fair, coal miners make the world go round, ever see how much of the world's energy is fired by coal? People with "imagination" seem...
To be fair, coal miners make the world go round, ever see how much of the world's energy is fired by coal?

People with "imagination" seem to harm my wallet more than they do good for the environment. Are 200 generators running at the track going to be better for the environment than the bikes running? Sure they will use less fuel, but it still takes a bunch of energy to produce said generators.....and a bunch of fuel to ship them all around the world.
Bruce372 wrote:
I bet you guys have some great fisherman's tales. I don't believe the majority off riders put in more than an hour on a local track...
I bet you guys have some great fisherman's tales. I don't believe the majority off riders put in more than an hour on a local track day.

District races, 15 minutes practise and two 5 lap motos ain't gonna use a full charge.
What about cold weather? Battery power takes a huge hit when temperatures drop.
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Who was the red bull athlete with white iXS gear on it in the video?

Tonus? Does he wear Red Bull helmet?
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Johnny Ringo wrote:
EV will kill the moto industry when it comes to aftermarket and hard parts. I hope we just add these bikes as an option and don’t...
EV will kill the moto industry when it comes to aftermarket and hard parts. I hope we just add these bikes as an option and don’t wholesale move to electric. A lot of people will be out of work if that happens.
JBecker 72 wrote:
The automobile will put farriers and coach builders out of business!
There's always steam train driver
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Last Braaap wrote:
Who was the red bull athlete with white iXS gear on it in the video? Tonus? Does he wear Red Bull helmet?
Who was the red bull athlete with white iXS gear on it in the video?

Tonus? Does he wear Red Bull helmet?
I think it was Mat Rebeaud
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Johnny Ringo wrote:
EV will kill the moto industry when it comes to aftermarket and hard parts. I hope we just add these bikes as an option and don’t...
EV will kill the moto industry when it comes to aftermarket and hard parts. I hope we just add these bikes as an option and don’t wholesale move to electric. A lot of people will be out of work if that happens.
Bruce372 wrote:
You need to move on from that coal miner mentality.

People with imagination know there are endless new opportunities and potential for innovation.
Johnny Ringo wrote:
Maybe you need to move on from your coastal elite mentality
I grew up on a farm in the North of England and own a home in the Midwest. So jog on mate
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I hope I'm dead before I have no choice but riding some kitchen appliance.
The better they get, the more I hate them.
Sick
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Bruce372 wrote:
You need to move on from that coal miner mentality.

People with imagination know there are endless new opportunities and potential for innovation.
Johnny Ringo wrote:
Maybe you need to move on from your coastal elite mentality
Bruce372 wrote:
I grew up on a farm in the North of England and own a home in the Midwest. So jog on mate
I’m guessing that home in the Midwest is your second home away from Silicon Valley?
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Last Braaap wrote:
Who was the red bull athlete with white iXS gear on it in the video? Tonus? Does he wear Red Bull helmet?
Who was the red bull athlete with white iXS gear on it in the video?

Tonus? Does he wear Red Bull helmet?
That's swiss freestyler Matt Rebaud
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theycallmeebryan 12/14/2021 7:28am
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I have to admit, as an Alta MXR owner im really impressed with the specs and cant wait to get one, however im a bit suspicious of their claims and hope they are true.

The 6kWh pack is just 200watts larger than the 5.8kWh Alta MXR pack. The Alta MXR cant do a full 30+2 with a pro on it. Hell, depending on the speed of the track and the dirt type i can cook a full battery in about 20 minutes on my Alta MXR and im socal B class. So im really curious whether this bike will be able to last or not.

Regarding charging, it looks like they are using the same 3.3kW charger that Alta used. How fast a battery charges depends on the charging volts + amps, how thermally efficient the battery is, and of course the capacity. When you charge a battery fast it heats up the battery (just like your cellphone). I would expect 2 hours on 240v to recharge a completely dead battery, however yall should understand you dont usually drain the entire battery during a moto so charging events typically happen on a 2/3 depleted battery or so and charging times will be less in practice.

The ordering process for this bike is rad. Ive been screaming for oems to do this for years. You get to spec the bike how you want, and it will be delivered to you with suspension sprung for your weight.

Cant wait to get my hands on one!
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Johnny Ringo wrote:
EV will kill the moto industry when it comes to aftermarket and hard parts. I hope we just add these bikes as an option and don’t...
EV will kill the moto industry when it comes to aftermarket and hard parts. I hope we just add these bikes as an option and don’t wholesale move to electric. A lot of people will be out of work if that happens.
JBecker 72 wrote:
The automobile will put farriers and coach builders out of business!
Bruce372 wrote:
There's always steam train driver
I'm holding out to get my Zeppelin pilots certification.
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Pretty skeptical on this, like how was there no info out or leaked prior to this.
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1999, meet 2021: :sick: [img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2021/12/14/522847/s1200_99YZ.jpg[/img] [img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2021/12/14/522848/s1200_2021_Stark.jpg[/img]
1999, meet 2021: Sick









BobPA wrote:
Turtle neck sweater with a blazer....Bold strategy Cotton.
Do you think the owners of KTM, Honda, Kawasaki, etc are packings dips, drinking cheap beer and wearing cut off t-shirts?

Why are you even talking about fashion in this thread? Dizzy
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Today those "all new four-strokes" aren´t that intresting anymore. It´s all-in by Stark.
Let´s see when Honda, KTM, Yam etc. follow.
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Last Braaap 12/14/2021 7:37am
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Last Braaap wrote:
Who was the red bull athlete with white iXS gear on it in the video? Tonus? Does he wear Red Bull helmet?
Who was the red bull athlete with white iXS gear on it in the video?

Tonus? Does he wear Red Bull helmet?
Motofinne wrote:
I think it was Mat Rebeaud
I tip my fedora to you, Crash217 & luckynino. You guys are right.

I was trying to decypher who is the MXGP Pro that made a full moto on it. Tonus is/was a Monster Energy athlete. Pinch
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Bruce372 wrote:
I bet you guys have some great fisherman's tales. I don't believe the majority off riders put in more than an hour on a local track...
I bet you guys have some great fisherman's tales. I don't believe the majority off riders put in more than an hour on a local track day.

District races, 15 minutes practise and two 5 lap motos ain't gonna use a full charge.
Depends on the track actually. Most of the tracks I ride allow open riding all day. Anywhere from 2-4 hours on the bike before the cardio gives up.

I also ride a lot of off-road, but this model is not yet designed for that. The current capacity of electric bikes would be on the ragged edge of being able to complete a dual sport event (110 miles or so). No way they could finish a GNCC, nor a basic harescramble. But, the technology is not far off.

I am not against electric, not at all. Get off your imaginary high horse chief, would not want you to spill your cappuccino on this fine morning.
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